Ukrainian Defensive War against the Russian Invasion - Mark IV: The Partitioning of Discussion

Prigozhin is what you'll get if Nosferatu fucked Gollum, with the frosting of Goebbels and a Napoleon complex sprinkle on top.
To me he looks like the Amerimutt meme. I think he might be falling out a window soon as his organization is desperate enough to post heaps of their own dead to try to appeal for supplies and open Russia to more mockery from the internet.

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I was going to post the zigger corpse field that wagner posted on thier official telegram but MG-34 beat me to it, so here's some footage of an ATGM vs. Russian Infantry that just dropped. It seems to me like ATGMs are an extremely effective "sniper" weapon that is just as effective against infantry as it is agianst vehicles.


 
It seems to me like ATGMs are an extremely effective "sniper" weapon that is just as effective against infantry as it is agianst vehicles.
their HEAT warheads are purpose built to penetrate thick metal armor. they will fuck up nearby infantry (like any big chunk of explosives will) but they're less effective at it than regular high explosive munitions of similar size would be
 
I liked the bits of Biden's speech I've heard so far, despite him slurring words and struggling to get it out. No indication that there's any plans to stop supporting Ukraine anytime soon, and it would be foolish to do so from the strategic point of view. Didn't hear anything about strikes on Mariupol, that's interesting.

All of this shit will end up haunting Putin and his lackeys. They usurped the country, excluded regular people from meaningful participation in political decision-making, and they alone get to bear responsibility. Reap what you have sown, cunts.
I can only hope people outside Russia will be more understanding toward those who ends up having to pick up the pieces in the end.

Those who left, left in Feb-Mar last year or left later due to sanctions or logistical/operational difficulties, not HECKIN' WARCRIMERINOOS
I also doubt that companies many of whom rely on sweatshop and even child labor would be particularly phased by warcrimes.
I was going to post the zigger corpse field that wagner posted on thier official telegram but MG-34 beat me to it, so here's some footage of an ATGM vs. Russian Infantry that just dropped. It seems to me like ATGMs are an extremely effective "sniper" weapon that is just as effective against infantry as it is agianst vehicles.


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Sucks that it's often in terrible resolution, zigger bodypart puzzle became one of my favorite games as of late. I remember being fascinated with footage from Mariupol where Russian tank got hit by something and someone's torso with guts spilling out flew into the frame from somewhere else.
I can see the MIC making HE guided missiles (HEGM?) for future conflicts.
Ordnance with vodka-tracking sensors.
 
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I can see the MIC making HE guided missiles (HEGM?) for future conflicts.
There are a couple out there, but I'm honestly surprised there aren't more. In a rare display of getting shit done in Iraq the British army rapidly bought and deployed the Exactor 2, basically just the Israeli Spike ATGM, although it does have alternate HE warheads. The only kinda downside is instead of being man portable it has to be mounted either on a trailer, or vehicle, and then called in by the squad using a designator, although honestly having to carry a designator instead of yet another hefty piece of kit could be considered a plus.

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Lockheed also recently brought in a new variant of the Javelin, the FGM-148F, which has what they call a Multi Purpose Warhead. However that's not a proper HE warhead, but instead appears to be adding a fragmentation sleeve to the standard HEAT warhead to increase lethality against infantry/lightly armoured targets.

Given the regularity with which javelins got pressed into the anti-emplacment/anti-structure/cave etc role, despite the existence of shit like SMAWS/L2A1s etc, I'm surprised someone hasn't done a Javelin-esque missile with a proper HE, or even better thermobaric, warhead.
 
I can see the MIC making HE guided missiles (HEGM?) for future conflicts.
The stugna-p ATGM already has frag rounds for anti personnel, they aren't nearly as common though
 
Ukraine has JDAMs - UA source
Original article from Bloomberg
The Pentagon hasn’t formally acknowledged it’s sending the modified version of Boeing’s Joint Direct Attack Munition, saying only it would send “precision aerial munitions” as part of a $1.85 billion package announced December 21. But two people familiar with the matter confirmed the weapon is the Extended-Range Jdam, known as the Jdam-ER. They asked not to be identified because the detail hasn’t been announced.

Pentagon spokeswoman Kelly Flynn said US won’t identify the munition, citing operational security. Jdam kits are used by the Air Force and US Navy and have been sold to over 26 countries.

The Jdam-ER can be bolted on unguided bombs ranging from 500 pounds to 2,000 pounds. Once dropped, the bomb deploys wings, allowing it to glide up to 45 miles and tripling the range of the original weapon. The Extended-Range Jdam was developed in cooperation with the Royal Australian Air Force.
There is no official information from the Pentagon about the transfer of these munitions, but the likelihood of their transfer was announced at the end of December last year.

Boeing Joint Direct Attack Munition could come as part of a $1.85 billion aid package. They were designated as “precision aerial munitions.”

Aerial bombs equipped with Joint Direct Attack Munition JDAM. Photo from open sources
The media adds that two people familiar with the matter confirmed the weapon to be JDAM.

It is the Extended-Range Jdam, known as the Jdam-ER.

Pentagon spokeswoman Kelly Flynn mentioned that the US would not identify the munitions for operational security reasons. These shells are used by the US Air Force and the US Navy and are sold to 26 countries.
It is also reported that on January 20, the Boeing company received a $40.5 million order to manufacture ammunition from the US Air Force within the existing contract. The work should be completed by June 30.

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A bomb with a JDAM kit
Therefore, it is likely that the United States and Ukraine have developed a method of launching JDAMs from Ukrainian air force aircraft.

JDAMs are GPS technology-based hardware kits that convert simple free-falling bombs into all-weather guided ammunition.

The kit includes an inertial navigation system and GPS receiver to improve accuracy, along with the small wings attached to the middle of the bomb and a tail unit with a controlled tail that allows the bomb to adjust its course while approaching the target. The unit contains navigation and other equipment.
 
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NAFO summed up in one picture...

Use Ukrainian Nationalist symbols that they have no knowledge of the meaning, and police what Ukrainians are allowed to post on social media.
That would be a sweet new EU flag tho much better then the blue flag with gold/yellow stars.
The whole NAFO faggotry is just peak slacktivism. A bunch of tranny homos with cheems memes. It makes me want to smack a bitch when some faggot tries to Police Ukranians or take umbrage with actual war fighters rocking German crosses or Japanese rising sun flags. Go fly to Ukraine and tell some guys who stack bodies they need to be poltically correct.
Pretty much, Nafo faggots online "we need to optically check Azoz and etc..., I don't like the symbols they're using."
Average Ukrainian"I call on the sports of dead Nazis to help me fight these Russians." Even the ADL decided for once not to reeeeee about Nazis for once.
...and the funfact is most of used symbols are legal, and some even still in usage ('rising sun flag' is a flag used by japan navy, crosses are still in use in Luftwaffe and some units of Bundeswehr). Quickly, send PC troopers to Tokyo and Berlin!
Yep not also that but where Steven Spielberg films make this swastika out to be some unreasonable symbol of evil the eastern European types know it keeps commies and Russians away.
 
Video of a young Ukrainian drone operator in action, "Skyba"-

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I was going to say that Wagners "Dead Vatnigger Storage" was one of the most horrifying things I've seen awhile, but somehow the image of a teenage zoomer dropping high explosive into a fox hole using what looks like a nintendo switch just fills me with more existential dread then a literal pile of corpses.

In other news, there have been reports for awhile about how Wagner has been cut off by the Russian Government from recruiting out of Prisons, but the more I see of what's going on, the more I wonder if that's the cope and the true reason is the convicts have realized what is waiting for them in Wagner. I would be shocked if anyone willingly signs up to be cannon fodder at this point.

I really don't understand Russia's logic. Its taken them 9 months to advance around 15 kilometers around Bakhmut. If they had used just half that time to actually train and equip their mobiks and Penal Soldiers before sending them in they may have actually taken the city.
 
Are SRBMs and IRBMs even regulated by START? As far as I remember, there was a separate treaty, denounced by Trump admin. Anyway, China's hundreds of presumably fake missile silos and vast network of underground tunnels for transporting/storing their missiles and bombers are fundamentally incompatible with the START.
They may be building their own ICBMs right now (judging by their space program, technological capability is there) or have already built some and keep them hidden. Their strategic missile forces are super secretive, even when compared to other branches of PLA. US intelligence outlets admit they don't know how many IRBMs and warheads China has. Then, add a massive buildup of nuclear power plants to this.


US have chosen first disarming strike as their doctrine in the 80s, China tries to counter that, first and foremost.

I think you're right. The whole point of START was to make it so you could have cool heads on the respective sides' buttons. Declared launchers could be inspected and watched. And in the US' case, far enough away from major population centers and infrastructure if the USSR launched a first strike that hit anything that wasn't nuke silos, they wouldn't have any friends in the radioactive wasteland*

Of course this isn't benevolence from the US; US SSBNs would be an extremely potent unmonitored first strike. The only peers the US has in SSBN capabilities is the British (and iirc the french for a time, though they gave up their independent blue-water operations with their latest boat)

The US has reserved the right to a first strike unlike Russia who claims nukes would be retaliation.

*Exaggeration. Even max-coldwar nuclear exchange would not be as world ending as the soviet-funded peaceniks would have you believe. there would be plenty left to fight over, and both sides in shape to fight over it.

their HEAT warheads are purpose built to penetrate thick metal armor. they will fuck up nearby infantry (like any big chunk of explosives will) but they're less effective at it than regular high explosive munitions of similar size would be
For soft targets you want an elevated burst with lots of shrapnel.
In @Fortyone 's video, targeting a group of 5 soldiers there are two kills. The guy to the right of the two is still walking. The two guys walking behind might have some burns from the exhaust.

I can see the MIC making HE guided missiles (HEGM?) for future conflicts.
Sort of.
Its a very expensive anti-squad weapon, and might run afoul of the treaties that limit what weapons you can use on infantry unless you shrink the warhead.

You also have better odds of injuring/killing your own troops, the back blast on even an AT-4 is pretty impressive.
 
Video of a young Ukrainian drone operator in action, "Skyba"-

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Full video for those without account.
This is quite horrifying gamification of the war, and quite grotesque. Even more grotesque is starting an invasion against a smaller country and openly stealing its lands.
Go back home, unleash that Russian aggressivity against Putin's regime instead.
 
The Euro or Yen have more economic potential at replacing the dollar as a world hegemonic currency.
The euro fails as even a regional currency. Because it has no central monetary policy. Remember When Portugal, Italy, greece and Ireland were going bankrupt a few years back. It was because they no longer had the ability to set any national monetary policies. So what would have been a minor economic dip, easily managed via adjustments to interest rates and a slight inflation, was blocked because Germany could never allow such things! With the result being a minor slump became a catastrophic economic crash. In the same way the Chinese Yuan has been artificially hard pegged by China to the dollar. The moment they unpeg it in an attempt to shift it to being an international reserve currency their currency and economy goes into free fall and the entire house of cards unwinds.
 
No currency has a chance at replacing the dollar, it's just silly

No one is going to put themselves at the mercy of Beijing. No one thinks communist chinks are going to be less fucky wucky than Americans. All they want is a system where they have way more advantages than Washington does, and everyone knows it. No one is going to get into a financial war with the US for the benefit of China when China is going to be in a decline in a decade that it won't be able to reverse for decades or even a century. The US is the only developed country that has a future where consistent growth is a possibility. Europe, Russia, China, they're all demographically fucked. All these shitholes south of the equator, please don't waste my time. India supapowa 2200!

The EU isn't interested and isn't capable of it anyway for multiple reasons
 
Zeihan says Putin withdrew from the START treaty. I see people saying he didn't withdraw but suspended the treaty. But from Zeihan said it seems this goes for all the START treaties. START 1 and the others. This is basically a diplomatic breakdown between Russia and the US. Anyone hoping for or thinking a diplomatic solution was going to happen is probably not feeling very positive about that now. I still don't think there will be WW3 or a nuclear weapons used.

@CuzinEd

I have to put on welding glasses every time I watch his videos, the glow is so goddamn bright. Another major red flag is Zeihan's takes on nuclear energy and renewables. Even Wikipedia-tier "research" can deboonk his talking points on these subjects. So, either he swallowed mainstream narrative without analyzing it first or he pushes mainstream narrative to others.

His take on war crimes and companies leaving is also childishly naive. Those who left, left in Feb-Mar last year or left later due to sanctions or logistical/operational difficulties, not HECKIN' WARCRIMERINOOS. People are getting more desensitized, generating public outrage is getting progressively harder, plus remaining companies are less likely to fold to it.
To add cherry on top, Schlumberger is still here, their training and R&D facilities are still here, operated through a shell company. I wonder how many smaller and less known companies (esp. those not dealing with sanctioned goods and entities) bit the bullet, stayed and grabbed their competitors' market share. "Buy when the streets are covered in blood"
And it's one thing to sanction 2% of world economy (Russia), sanctioning 18% (China) would be another story. US can't even sanction Chinese fentanyl imports, Chinese spying phone apps and Chinese bribes for American universities (who, coincidentally, start dishing out chink propaganda to your future ruling class).


Are SRBMs and IRBMs even regulated by START? As far as I remember, there was a separate treaty, denounced by Trump admin. Anyway, China's hundreds of presumably fake missile silos and vast network of underground tunnels for transporting/storing their missiles and bombers are fundamentally incompatible with the START.
They may be building their own ICBMs right now (judging by their space program, technological capability is there) or have already built some and keep them hidden. Their strategic missile forces are super secretive, even when compared to other branches of PLA. US intelligence outlets admit they don't know how many IRBMs and warheads China has. Then, add a massive buildup of nuclear power plants to this.


US have chosen first disarming strike as their doctrine in the 80s, China tries to counter that, first and foremost.
Some of Zeihans takes aren't that good. I don't think he is part of it. It's more likely he is just wrong or he is saying stuff to keep his job. Like towing the party line. Saying what he needs to survive. Remember that is a thing these days. If you say the wrong things they will ruin your life. His take on electric cars is pretty good. He said it's decades away from being viable. Like 20-30 years away. he also says globalism is dying. He doesn't seem to be a big fan of Biden and doesn't seem to like Trump very much. But he doesn't openly express his dislike of Biden other than a few phrases.

He was also one of the people in the West that though Russia would easily take Ukraine. Like everyone else did. I have multiple source of information and don't rely on Zeihan alone.
To me he looks like the Amerimutt meme. I think he might be falling out a window soon as his organization is desperate enough to post heaps of their own dead to try to appeal for supplies and open Russia to more mockery from the internet.

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This isn't that new for Russia. Start or get involved in a war. Mismanage said war and get a lot of your people killed. The disgruntled soldiers come back home and make trouble for the government. This is what happened in WW1. It's part of how they ended up with Communism.

It's going to go over really well for Russia and Putin when they start having to kill the people they sent off to fight the war. By that I mean not well at all. It's how revolutions start, and governments fall. The last thing you want is the military turning against you. Especially in an authoritarian dictatorship. You know, where you depend on them to keep you in power.
I liked the bits of Biden's speech I've heard so far, despite him slurring words and struggling to get it out. No indication that there's any plans to stop supporting Ukraine anytime soon, and it would be foolish to do so from the strategic point of view. Didn't hear anything about strikes on Mariupol, that's interesting.

All of this shit will end up haunting Putin and his lackeys. They usurped the country, excluded regular people from meaningful participation in political decision-making, and they alone get to bear responsibility. Reap what you have sown, cunts.
I can only hope people outside Russia will be more understanding toward those who ends up having to pick up the pieces in the end.


I also doubt that companies many of whom rely on sweatshop and even child labor would be particularly phased by warcrimes.

Sucks that it's often in terrible resolution, zigger bodypart puzzle became one of my favorite games as of late. I remember being fascinated with footage from Mariupol where Russian tank got hit by something and someone's torso with guts spilling out flew into the frame from somewhere else.

Ordnance with vodka-tracking sensors.
Biden will never pull suppprt for Ukraine. He is part of DC political establishment. Now Trump could possibly do that or cut it in half. I don't see complete abandonment of Ukraine by a Trump presidency. Ukraine wouldn't have some of the stuff they were using in the early days of the war without Trumps involvement.

So, whatever the Ukrainians plan to do they should probably fight as hard and as quickly as possible. You never know what might happen in the future. There are enough weapons there now that they could keep fighting for a while without the help of the US.
Video of a young Ukrainian drone operator in action, "Skyba"-

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Full 15min video:

Edit: unable to rip the whole video atm, fucking age-restricted bullshit.
If you want to download YouTube videos, try this. It should work as long as it's not anything copyrighted.


I tried and you can download the whole video in MP4 format.

You can also use this. It tends to work better with copyrighted stuff. Its' what I use to get music off YouTube for video games that allow custom soundtracks. Mostly GTA games.


I used to use offliberty but it started to not work with copyrighted videos and songs.
 
There are a couple out there, but I'm honestly surprised there aren't more. In a rare display of getting shit done in Iraq the British army rapidly bought and deployed the Exactor 2, basically just the Israeli Spike ATGM, although it does have alternate HE warheads. The only kinda downside is instead of being man portable it has to be mounted either on a trailer, or vehicle, and then called in by the squad using a designator, although honestly having to carry a designator instead of yet another hefty piece of kit could be considered a plus.

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Lockheed also recently brought in a new variant of the Javelin, the FGM-148F, which has what they call a Multi Purpose Warhead. However that's not a proper HE warhead, but instead appears to be adding a fragmentation sleeve to the standard HEAT warhead to increase lethality against infantry/lightly armoured targets.

Given the regularity with which javelins got pressed into the anti-emplacment/anti-structure/cave etc role, despite the existence of shit like SMAWS/L2A1s etc, I'm surprised someone hasn't done a Javelin-esque missile with a proper HE, or even better thermobaric, warhead.
People aren't doing it because guided missiles are expensive and its a bit of a waste to use them on infantry, especially dug-in infantry that isn't going anywhere. IIRC a single Javelin costs more than one of those GPS nose fuses for artillery shells and has less "fuck you" potential towards infantry, so... not the most cost-effective or even most powerful option there. Especially since every anti-personnel Javelin you carry is one less anti-tank Javelin you carry, and considering how heavy those missiles are that's not a good idea. Something like SMAW that's a US version of the RPG-7 or the freaking LAW is a much better and lighter choice since infantry tend not to be moving targets like tanks are. That, and you typically build those sorts of hardpoints in rough terrain where Javelin's range won't be able to be used since it is technically a direct-fire weapon on account of the firer needing to personally observe the target. Hence the trailer missile, where it can be fired on a ballistic arc over said terrain before homing in on the designator.
No currency has a chance at replacing the dollar, it's just silly

No one is going to put themselves at the mercy of Beijing. No one thinks communist chinks are going to be less fucky wucky than Americans. All they want is a system where they have way more advantages than Washington does, and everyone knows it. No one is going to get into a financial war with the US for the benefit of China when China is going to be in a decline in a decade that it won't be able to reverse for decades or even a century. The US is the only developed country that has a future where consistent growth is a possibility. Europe, Russia, China, they're all demographically fucked. All these shitholes south of the equator, please don't waste my time. India supapowa 2200!

The EU isn't interested and isn't capable of it anyway for multiple reasons
For all the shit the US Fed gets up to with currency bullshit, China is far, far worse with theirs.
 
People aren't doing it because guided missiles are expensive and its a bit of a waste to use them on infantry, especially dug-in infantry that isn't going anywhere. IIRC a single Javelin costs more than one of those GPS nose fuses for artillery shells and has less "fuck you" potential towards infantry, so... not the most cost-effective or even most powerful option there. Especially since every anti-personnel Javelin you carry is one less anti-tank Javelin you carry, and considering how heavy those missiles are that's not a good idea. Something like SMAW that's a US version of the RPG-7 or the freaking LAW is a much better and lighter choice since infantry tend not to be moving targets like tanks are. That, and you typically build those sorts of hardpoints in rough terrain where Javelin's range won't be able to be used since it is technically a direct-fire weapon on account of the firer needing to personally observe the target. Hence the trailer missile, where it can be fired on a ballistic arc over said terrain before homing in on the designator.

For all the shit the US Fed gets up to with currency bullshit, China is far, far worse with theirs.
The US economy is fake and heavily dependent on people with credit and government social programs keeping it afloat. The US economy is fake but the Chinese economy is even more fake than the US economy. Somehow the commie chinks managed to out fake the US. It's all fake unsustainable bullshit. The Chinese depend on Americans buying the stuff that is made over there and US consumerism has been declining for decade or so now. That's why you see all the brick and mortar stores and malls closing. The number of people with excess money to spend on cheaply made overpriced Chinese junk is falling like a rock. Boomers are retiring and getting old so their spending is falling off. The Boomers and Gen X people that had credit cards in the 90's early mid and late 2000's have already used them all up. That's was one of the issues that caused the Great Recession in the late 2000's. The Millennials have always been poor and couldn't afford to buy anything. That isn't about to change with Zoomers. They will also be dirt poor and won't buy anything. So all you have left for consumers is benefit scroungers.
 
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