Ukrainian Defensive War against the Russian Invasion - Mark IV: The Partitioning of Discussion

[Ghostse]

And Biden was in the process of being that big of a pussy, to the point of publicly saying that a little bit of an invasion wasn't anything to get worried about, until the Russian advance stalled out and suddenly it became apparent that there was a very real chance that US inaction could no longer be brushed off as "oh, we wouldn't have been able to do anything in time to make a difference."

I don't like Joe "Weekend at Bernie's 2: Cornpop's Revenge" Biden, and its infuriating everytime to watch Putin and his advisor Smitry Hydeski keep getting way with it, but I'm 100% ok with Biden's initial wait-and-see on Ukraine. There is no reason to give stuff to Ukraine when it was going to end up blown up to looted by Russia. There was no way to know at first that it wouldn't be a repeat of 2014, and that large swaths of the Ukrainian upper brass had actually listened to the Green Berets and managed to suppress their slavic nature to the degree they have; hell, that british guy who was in the Ukrainian Legion was talking about all the truckloads of gear that was going missing and definitely not getting stolen by the colonel's son.

 

[DumbDude43]

The problem with appeasement is it always ends up feeding others so that you are eaten last. Trump argued crimea was a red line. Things were starting to calm down, border raids were starting to end, and things looked like they could normalize. With Biden there was severe appeasement and an eerie calm before the storm.

appeasement is basically a fancy name for "i don't really care but i pretend to care for optics"
it's only a failure if you later decide that you actually DO care, cause if the other guy just keeps pushing you eventually have to admit "ok i dont really care" or reverse your position in a somewhat embarassing change of heart.

In most parts of Europe it is impossible to have functional state based on one etnicity and not being a shithole. So Europe in midterm must choose: or war and building empires with endless circle of birth-thrive-fall, or some way of confedering and cooperation. For first time we are trying the second option and it works (so Europeans have second generation not involved directly in large scale wars - it is something at this part of world that Rhine didn't see a battle for nearly 80 years).

this is the biggest retard cope EU keeps parroting to justify itself, it's just flat out wrong.
what actually enforces peace in europe for 80 years is NATO, aka american hegemony. makes war literally impossible because everybody is a burger vassal and the burgers won't tolerate infighting inside their sphere of influence.
brussels cucks and all their gay institutions have fuckall to do with it.

 

[Pocket Dragoon]

Cadets at the Moscow Police College have reported an attempt to forcibly mobilise them en masse under false pretences.

From Telegram

Students of the Moscow police college were locked in the assembly hall to force them to go to war 19-year-old Maxim G. called the police asking for help. The guy said that he was a cadet of a police college and he, along with his classmates, was locked in the assembly hall in order to force him to go to the front. The cadets were gathered under the pretext of a rehearsal of the solemn part dedicated to graduation from the college. But representatives of the military commissariat came to the meeting.

The cadets said that they were kept in the college on Fabritsius Street for an hour and a half by teachers - head of the faculty Vyacheslav Rozhko and teacher-organizers Sergei Vasiliev and Alexei Novikov, as well as two representatives of the Tushino military registration and enlistment office.

According to the students, they were morally pressured and forced to join the armed forces. Employees of the military registration and enlistment office brought summonses and wanted to hand them over to all those present right in the assembly hall against signature. The cadets of the police college did not voluntarily take the summons and turned to the police. Students were released from the assembly hall only after the police arrived at the scene.

 

[Snekposter]

But it's reinforced concrete, though. Shitty soviet concrete maybe, but concrete nonetheless, and that's not bamboo in it like in chink buildings, but rebar. I suppose at the velocity these things fall with, it might as well be paper.

Reinforced concrete is a joke compared to steel plate, I'm afraid. The WW2-era 155 mm Gun M1 (also known as the Long Tom) could send an HE shell through over 2 meters of concrete at a thousand yards, assuming it landed dead-on. Meanwhile its AP shell couldn't even punch through 200mm at half that.

 

[Elämällä on väliä]

what actually enforces peace in europe for 80 years is NATO, aka american hegemony. makes war literally impossible because everybody is a burger vassal and the burgers won't tolerate infighting inside their sphere of influence.

Logic never stopped Germoneys and France to make some killingsperg.

 

[draggs]

I think it was the absolute fiasco that happened in Afghanistan that convinced Putin he could get away with it.

It was double agent Samuyil Hydenskyy, who convinced Putin that he, too, could keep getting away with it

 

[mindlessobserver]

Cadets at the Moscow Police College have reported an attempt to forcibly mobilise them en masse under false pretences.

From Telegram

Not a good sign. The police are a necessary power bloc Putin has to keep happy if he is to stay in power. If he's putting the screws to them he's either being reckless or hurting for manpower.

 

[LeChampion1992]

Not a good sign. The police are a necessary power bloc Putin has to keep happy if he is to stay in power. If he's putting the screws to them he's either being reckless or hurting for manpower.

The Russians see this war for their existential existence as a nation. The Russian ethnicity probably won't be coming back anytime soon after this war. For Ukies best case to preserve their ethnicity is they win the war and take less casualties ultimately then the Russians.

 

[mindlessobserver]

.what actually enforces peace in europe for 80 years is NATO, aka american hegemony. makes war literally impossible because everybody is a burger vassal and the burgers won't tolerate infighting inside their sphere of influence.
brussels cucks and all their gay institutions have fuckall to do with it.

And has it not been good? Western Europe has gone almost 100 years now without a war. They've not done that since the third century. Yes, we can bitch all day about American globo homo culture and refugees, but having been to Europe quite frequently my impression was that all of that shit was completely native. To my American eyes it seemed quite bizarre.

The actual consequences of the American Empire that Russia likes to bitch about has been almost a century of peace and prosperity that has come on the heels of the most catastrophic war in human history.

American ideas of "Vassalage" are pretty cool for their "Vassals". Go do things that make money, don't shit on your peasants too hard and oh btw, we WANT you to have an Army and a material ability to defend stuff, including yourself. It's very different to Russias idea of what Vassalage is anyway which is the installation of a corrupt mafia that exists to siphon wealth at the expense of everything else, and a military that is a glorified police force. Meaning the vassal remains economically and militarily prostrate to Russia.

The Russians see this war for their existential existence as a nation. The Russian ethnicity probably won't be coming back anytime soon after this war. For Ukies best case to preserve their ethnicity is they win the war and take less casualties ultimately then the Russians.

To be sure Russia is sending a generation of youth it cannot afford to lose due to pre-war population decline to the slaughter, but I don't think we are quite at population collapse levels of dead Russian males. Yet.

 

[MG-34]

To be sure Russia is sending a generation of youth it cannot afford to lose due to pre-war population decline to the slaughter, but I don't think we are quite at population collapse levels of dead Russian males. Yet.

I can see this hitting Russians (actual Russians, not the Mongolians and the inbred mountain muslims that look like they were created using the character creation menu from Oblivion) as bad as WW1 hurt French demographics. Not a collapse but in 30 years St. Petersburg and Moscow will look like Berlin or London as Russia will need to import more of it's minority races to Russia proper. You have losses from the war compounded by all the smarter Russians getting out and moving to West Europe or even the United States. There's a lot of local stories about Russian families where I live trying to immigrate in thr US or apply for asylum. Surely it's a bigger trend in places like California. Personally, I hope they get a rubber stamp approval. If they were smart enough to get out when they did they're clearly worth keeping.

 

[CuzinEd]

I think it was the absolute fiasco that happened in Afghanistan that convinced Putin he could get away with it.

This is what happened. The Russians got high on their own supply. By supply I mean propaganda bullshit. It's a big no no in the dope business. I am sure it's a big no no in the political and propaganda world.

The Russians have this belief that the West will one day get weaker and they will be able to rule the world like the West does. By West I mean America. They don't want to leave people alone in peace and let them go about their lives. They want to do the same stuff America is doing but with a Russian spin on it. Basically the Russians are super jelly of America. They have been since the end of WW2 and the start of the cold war.

So, the West will get weaker and will one day collapse and the Russians will be able to rule the world their way. They also have this philosophy called the Russian Mir. Meaning the Russian world. That says once Russia has control of the world there will finally be world peace. It's basically a bunch of BS. But its' what some of them believe. I guess you can interpret the Russian world in two different ways. It can either be Eastern Europe or the whole world. Either way there won't be world peace till Russia has control of it. This means that till Russia does they will continue to fit throw and act like dicks.

The Russians for decades sat over in Russia coping about how the West would collapse one day and they would be in charge. All they had to do was keep waiting. It will happen one day guys. Just you wait. Then we will be in charge. Kind of like the Fort Mercer scene from RDR1. No more America! No more West! Now I'm in charge!

I would probably say it was a combination of things. The way America has been going for decades. The 2020 election that was stolen. The way Biden was just rammed into the White House. The Russians probably took that as a sign of weakness. Kind of like the cracks beginning to show. They probably figured Biden wouldn't do anything. Boy were they wrong about all of it. Election theft isn't a new problem in America. Elections have been stolen in this country since almost the beginning. We survived it and we will survive 2020. It's not really a sign of America falling. Election theft is as American as apple pie and sportsball.

That and Russia just sucks as a country. I mean most of the land is barely or totally unusable. Rivers flow the wrong way. They freeze up in the winter and when they thaw out, they flood places. The Russian economy isn't very good. The one thing they had was selling their energy resources to Western Europe which accounted for 60% of their GDP and thanks to their fail war in Ukraine they no longer have that. meanwhile Ukraine has plenty of natural resources and some of the best farming land in the world. It's easy to see what Russia was doing. The Ukrainian invasion was just an imperialistic land grab. They take Ukraine and they get all that stuff plus a defensive buffer zone. Russia doesn't know how to make Russia a great country without enslaving its Eastern European neighbors.

You can see this in Putin's speech on the anniversary of the war. He said it was to take back their ancestral homelands. I would compare it to Lebensraum but in that case the Germans wanted land that was part of Germany back. No one took Ukraine away from Russia as punishment.

So that's what happened.

 

[Uranus Pink]

Something like SMAW that's a US version of the RPG-7 or the freaking LAW is a much better and lighter choice since infantry tend not to be moving targets like tanks are. That, and you typically build those sorts of hardpoints in rough terrain where Javelin's range won't be able to be used since it is technically a direct-fire weapon on account of the firer needing to personally observe the target.

The M72 LAW Light Assault Weapon was designed and built to do this role. Provided the end users aren't retards who reads anything hardware related on Wikipedia or sites associated with Mike Sparks. With the caveat the M72 is strictly meant for light and unarmored vehicles, field fortifications and anti-personnal not MBTs.

 

[GatorAids]

This is what happened. The Russians got high on their own supply. By supply I mean propaganda bullshit. It's a big no no in the dope business. I am sure it's a big no no in the political and propaganda world.

The Russians have this belief that the West will one day get weaker and they will be able to rule the world like the West does. By West I mean America. They don't want to leave people alone in peace and let them go about their lives. They want to do the same stuff America is doing but with a Russian spin on it. Basically the Russians are super jelly of America. They have been since the end of WW2 and the start of the cold war.

So, the West will get weaker and will one day collapse and the Russians will be able to rule the world their way. They also have this philosophy called the Russian Mir. Meaning the Russian world. That says once Russia has control of the world there will finally be world peace. It's basically a bunch of BS. But its' what some of them believe. I guess you can interpret the Russian world in two different ways. It can either be Eastern Europe or the whole world. Either way there won't be world peace till Russia has control of it. This means that till Russia does they will continue to fit throw and act like dicks.

The Russians for decades sat over in Russia coping about how the West would collapse one day and they would be in charge. All they had to do was keep waiting. It will happen one day guys. Just you wait. Then we will be in charge. Kind of like the Fort Mercer scene from RDR1. No more America! No more West! Now I'm in charge!

I would probably say it was a combination of things. The way America has been going for decades. The 2020 election that was stolen. The way Biden was just rammed into the White House. The Russians probably took that as a sign of weakness. Kind of like the cracks beginning to show. They probably figured Biden wouldn't do anything. Boy were they wrong about all of it. Election theft isn't a new problem in America. Elections have been stolen in this country since almost the beginning. We survived it and we will survive 2020. It's not really a sign of America falling. Election theft is as American as apple pie and sportsball.

That and Russia just sucks as a country. I mean most of the land is barely or totally unusable. Rivers flow the wrong way. They freeze up in the winter and when they thaw out, they flood places. The Russian economy isn't very good. The one thing they had was selling their energy resources to Western Europe which accounted for 60% of their GDP and thanks to their fail war in Ukraine they no longer have that. meanwhile Ukraine has plenty of natural resources and some of the best farming land in the world. It's easy to see what Russia was doing. The Ukrainian invasion was just an imperialistic land grab. They take Ukraine and they get all that stuff plus a defensive buffer zone. Russia doesn't know how to make Russia a great country without enslaving its Eastern European neighbors.

You can see this in Putin's speech on the anniversary of the war. He said it was to take back their ancestral homelands. I would compare it to Lebensraum but in that case the Germans wanted land that was part of Germany back. No one took Ukraine away from Russia as punishment.

So that's what happened.

I heard a theory once that every civilization is essentially based on one of a few core emotions, such as Shame, Guilt, Envy, etc. It seems to me like alot of Russias motivation for many things throughout history has been jealousy. Not envy but jealousy. Not "Man I wish I had a cool car like that" but "How fucking dare you have a nicer car then me, I'm going to burn down your car and house". I remember reading an account from a guy who was present during the revolution in Russia in 1917. He mentioned how after the "revolution" had suceeded all these huge buildings were burned down and destroyed. Someone asked why they didn't just use the buildings instead of destroying them and he was very quickly silenced. It's not a perfect theory but if that isn't extreme jealousy I don't know what else it could be.

 

[Foltest]

Tomorrow, it will have been one year since the Special military operation started.
Remember to point and laugh at all vatniks who still think they are winning:

 

[MS Paint Gigachad]

To be sure Russia is sending a generation of youth it cannot afford to lose due to pre-war population decline to the slaughter, but I don't think we are quite at population collapse levels of dead Russian males. Yet.

So, if you look at the population pyramids of various countries in europe, you'll see something that vaguely resembles a dildo: smooth "sides", a slight widening at the 55-60 cohort and a tapering off starting with the 60+ cohort.

Meanwhile in Russia, you have the same general shape, but with crinkled sides. There's a "wave" of lower births every ~20 years, and supposedly this is because of the number of deaths in WW2 and the civil war before that.

The last wave of lower births spawned today's 15-30 year olds, i.e. prime military age people and prime military age people in 0-5 years time, making this loss of youths all the more unaffordable. It's tragic, a generation indirectly thinned by the Great Patriotic War is now getting thinned further by its cheap sequel

 

[No. 7 cat]

I liked the bits of Biden's speech I've heard so far, despite him slurring words and struggling to get it out. No indication that there's any plans to stop supporting Ukraine anytime soon, and it would be foolish to do so from the strategic point of view. Didn't hear anything about strikes on Mariupol, that's interesting.

All of this shit will end up haunting Putin and his lackeys. They usurped the country, excluded regular people from meaningful participation in political decision-making, and they alone get to bear responsibility. Reap what you have sown, cunts.
I can only hope people outside Russia will be more understanding toward those who ends up having to pick up the pieces in the end.


I also doubt that companies many of whom rely on sweatshop and even child labor would be particularly phased by warcrimes.

Sucks that it's often in terrible resolution, zigger bodypart puzzle became one of my favorite games as of late. I remember being fascinated with footage from Mariupol where Russian tank got hit by something and someone's torso with guts spilling out flew into the frame from somewhere else.

Ordnance with vodka-tracking sensors.

The basic concern for some sweatshop operator with a funky logo selling the work of sweatshop labor in the West is reputation. No well connected and funded NGO cares much what's near slave labour in south Asia (not well enough to push past information gatekeepers), so no reputation hit (there's minor issues on occasion, sometimes even Pak bosses bringing their sewing machine slaves to Bongland) but Russkie consoomers posting their Western 'designer' tat on social media is an easy target, and reasonable as these amoral people care nothing of their compatriots or Ukrainians dying in mud for some Putin delusion. All companies care about their business reputation, so while slavery matters little enough, doing business in the relatively small RF market in a visible way does. The sanctions just shatter the logistic chain anyhow.

Renault, for example, surely plans for renewed links with their subsidiary Avtovaz or Lada and others too (while I only know directly the old FIAT based Ladas, DACIA cars using the Renault parts bin are quite decent for those on a strict budget) once this war passes or pauses somehow. Their public deal with the RF govt has renewed Dacia style operation optioned in for Renault.

 

[Astro Galactic Megalul]

What things sticking out of it? I don't see any rebar. It went through a single roof, two wood(?) floors with peeling paint, and an aggregate concrete foundation right beside what looks like one of the support beams, and embedded in the basement floor which I can't tell if that's more concrete or compressed earth.

Well, dude even says "it went through 3 slabs", I'm assuming concrete, which is what these buildings usually have for floors. Of course there's a bunch of other material as well for floors and ceiling, it's like sandwich.

I don't like Joe "Weekend at Bernie's 2: Cornpop's Revenge" Biden, and its infuriating everytime to watch Putin and his advisor Smitry Hydeski keep getting way with it, but I'm 100% ok with Biden's initial wait-and-see on Ukraine. There is no reason to give stuff to Ukraine when it was going to end up blown up to looted by Russia. There was no way to know at first that it wouldn't be a repeat of 2014, and that large swaths of the Ukrainian upper brass had actually listened to the Green Berets and managed to suppress their slavic nature to the degree they have; hell, that british guy who was in the Ukrainian Legion was talking about all the truckloads of gear that was going missing and definitely not getting stolen by the colonel's son.

Having Western weapons end up in Russian hands is definitely a major and valid concern, even if you doubt their ability to reverse-engineer any of it.
Regarding gear going missing, based on what I've seen it could often be explained by hoarding. I've heard of the instances where some units had just loads of Western shit, anything-you-can-shoot buffet. I would imagine some commanders go out of their way to ensure they have as much of that gear as possible, so who knows what sorts of shenanigans are happening there.
The accusations of these weapons being sold abroad I find kinda wild. With the country being at war and all the neighbors being especially vary of their borders, how would you sneak it out? I've heard a lot of rumors, but never seen any evidence. It's possible I guess.

Not a good sign. The police are a necessary power bloc Putin has to keep happy if he is to stay in power. If he's putting the screws to them he's either being reckless or hurting for manpower.

They should've started with that. All these people protecting regime should be ready to die for it. It's much easier to beat up some students than fight the war I guess.

 

[Kreitani]

A vatniggerian Su-25 crashed in Belgorod oblast.I wonder why?

 

[Ghostse]

Well, dude even says "it went through 3 slabs", I'm assuming concrete, which is what these buildings usually have for floors. Of course there's a bunch of other material as well for floors and ceiling, it's like sandwich.

You're probably right, I thought the upper floors looked weird for wood. But its not reinforced concrete (or if reinforced, looks like it managed to avoid all the rebar)

Regarding gear going missing, based on what I've seen it could often be explained by hoarding. I've heard of the instances where some units had just loads of Western shit, anything-you-can-shoot buffet. I would imagine some commanders go out of their way to ensure they have as much of that gear as possible, so who knows what sorts of shenanigans are happening there.
The accusations of these weapons being sold abroad I find kinda wild. With the country being at war and all the neighbors being especially vary of their borders, how would you sneak it out? I've heard a lot of rumors, but never seen any evidence. It's possible I guess.

I mean Ukraine sold Soviet Cruise Missiles they'd been paid to destroy to Iran in middle of sanctions, I'm not going to discount a Ukrainian's ability to get anything out of country.

It can also be used for internal fiefdom bullshit. I had a neighbor who was a full-time Army National Guardsmen in the 80s and told me tales of their platoon sergeant grabbing eight guys and their 5-ton at night, driving to the (recently vacated) Marine barracks, being told grab all their bedding & anything else left behind that wasn't nailed down, and then the Regiment's captain trading it the Coast Guard for I forget what, and then getting into a fist fight in a few weeks when the Marines showed up to discover their pillows, mattresses, and blankets were gone, and acted on rumors a natty light 5 ton had been seen at their barracks.
And that was the US army.

Or you take it home, wrap it in a tarp, bury it in the garden until the war is over and sell it back to the government.

 

[MG-34]

A vatniggerian Su-25 crashed in Belgorod oblast.I wonder why?
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I still get taken aback that the Russians couldn't retire most of this goofy shit and lean further on Su-34s for CAS. I'd imagine the thing being a swing wing means ithe maintaince guys are clueless and try to improvise or pencil whip any preventive maintenance.