US US Politics General - Discussion of President Biden and other politicians

 

[HandsomeDan]

It is racist and bigoted not to willingly and gleefully welcome the poisoning of your water and air by the corporate tentacles of the authoritarian state. You dare not complain and you will have more of your money taken.

 

[Honka Honka Burning Love]

Remember, they see themselves as the good guys.
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Yes they voted for the guy who....is giving them clean water.

Shocking I know.

 

[The Last Stand]

Yes they voted for the guy who....is giving them clean water.

Shocking I know.

What kind of liberal hootenany is that?

 

[Vyse Inglebard]

It only takes one person to put the effort and finances down to create a space, and that space is difficult to strike down, if the person is determined and resourceful enough.

Case in point: this very forum.

 

[ZehnBoat]

Yes they voted for the guy who....is giving them clean water.

Shocking I know.

you should feel bad for voting for the guy who is going out of his way to give you things you need, instead of the guy who is bleeding you dry to support a war you don't want.

conservatives OWNED!

 

[tehpope]

https://www.zerohedge.com/crypto/us-legislators-introduce-bill-would-prohibit-creation-american-cbdc

I'd buy this guy a drink if I saw him in person. But the prospect of this getting signed by biden is nil. Or passing the House and/or Senate.

 

[870EVO]

you should feel bad for voting for the guy who is going out of his way to give you things you need, instead of the guy who is bleeding you dry to support a war you don't want.

conservatives OWNED!

Have watched The View? Their comments on any controversial topic by people like that are so illogical and so blinded by emotional appeal. There's only two possibilities. They are dumb as fuck, or soulless husks reading off a teleprompter.

 

[Tanuki Mixed Nuts]

I'm having trouble really figuring out the whole train brakes issue..

Like, it was legislation put in by Obama some years before Trump was in office, but those systems were somehow not installed after that legislation was put in place, and were not installed until 2017 or so, allowing them to then just never install them? Making it Trump's fault that brakes didn't stop the train from derailing (supposedly), when Biden didn't immediately reverse Trump's legislation when he got in office?

So, were the brake systems never installed, despite the Obama Era legislation because that legislation was lax enough to allow for a loophole?
Or were they installed, and then removed after a few years? Why do that when the complaint from the rail companies was the cost of installation/buying the systems to begin with?
Were these trains not used during the years the Obama legislation was still a thing? Is that why it was poorly maintained enough to catch fire? Or were they built after? Then why again, did it catch fire?

I'm legitimately having a hard time understanding how this is anyone's fault directly, and instead not some huge indication of the system of oversight and maintenance on this shit being broken to shit???

 

[Meat Target]

I'm having trouble really figuring out the whole train brakes issue..

Like, it was legislation put in by Obama some years before Trump was in office, but those systems were somehow not installed after that legislation was put in place, and were not installed until 2017 or so, allowing them to then just never install them? Making it Trump's fault that brakes didn't stop the train from derailing (supposedly), when Biden didn't immediately reverse Trump's legislation when he got in office?

So, were the brake systems never installed, despite the Obama Era legislation because that legislation was lax enough to allow for a loophole?
Or were they installed, and then removed after a few years? Why do that when the complaint from the rail companies was the cost of installation/buying the systems to begin with?
Were these trains not used during the years the Obama legislation was still a thing? Is that why it was poorly maintained enough to catch fire? Or were they built after? Then why again, did it catch fire?

I'm legitimately having a hard time understanding how this is anyone's fault directly, and instead not some huge indication of the system of oversight and maintenance on this shit being broken to shit???

You're doing too much thinking. All you need to know is that the Magic Regulations would have prevented it, but didn't, because Orange Man Bad.

They're pushing a thought-terminating soundbite and not gonna let the pesky details get in the way of the narrative.

 

[Gehenna]

I love that Trump's solution to anything is to go to McDonald's. Truly the most American president we ever had.

And it makes him very relatable. While everyone acknowledges that McDonald's is the bottom-bin fast food.... you'd be hard-pressed to find someone who hasn't eaten there outside the Ivory Towers. It's cheap, mostly enjoyable fast food that everyone has a soft spot for despite its often-avowed lack of quality. Trump says he enjoys it, and very clearly actually enjoying it, provides a fundamental link between him and the regular joe schmoe.

From what I’ve heard, the Freedom Caucus has the knives out and pointed at him, so he’s kind of walking on eggshells in that the moment he goes RINO, his days as speaker will be numbered.

-Yes-. Thankfully, the Freedom Caucus managed to prove they knew what they were doing... and for once Republicans got a legit win. This is why i was not doom and gloom when they finally let McCarthy in. Keeping him out gained nothing, what they could gain was concessions, a method of ensuring he couldn't renege, and proof they were willing to plunge the knife.

They managed to get the first and second in a form McCarthy couldn't weasel out of and I said at the time that it would be a matter of time before we knew if they were serious. Thankfully, they are, so the third is also in place and McCarthy is their bitch.

Though now we need to wait with bated breath to see if they fall into the final pitfall. We need to see if they overplay their hand. The worst thing that is true is they should ask for nothing else until after the next election. If they push too hard too fast it increasingly risks McCarthy going 'fuck it' and deciding that it's not worth the fight and flouncing out to let a Democrat take his seat. Instead, what needs to happen is in every election the pressure resumes. A new series of concessions, drag McCarthy kicking and screaming closer to the FC every election cycle when the FC is at its strongest politically and McCarthy has the tantalizing possibility of power in his grasp.

It isn't just "some" law, but a vital part of due process. The withholding of evidence is how the Bundy ranchers walked free on appeal. While theoretically the actual scope is narrow, in reality the prosecution is going to be forced to argue how those 30k hours are of no material relevance to either guilt or the levied punishment. Which is... yeah.

This is actually very important and very likely for one big reason. It gives the judge an out. If they rule in favor of the J6 defendants on normal grounds they can and will be pilloried even by their own collogues. But if it's a -procedural- issue then well, it's out of their hands, sorry Deep State but you fucked up, nothing else I can do about it.

Judges dislike rocking the boat and are fundamentally cowards. They often do have things they -want- to do in favor of the clearly abused party but don't want to piss off the mean old deep state. But give them a procedural out, a way to claim that they have to rule in favor of that party because of something out of the judge's hands? Then you can get them to rule in a sensical manner.

 

[870EVO]

I'm having trouble really figuring out the whole train brakes issue..

Like, it was legislation put in by Obama some years before Trump was in office, but those systems were somehow not installed after that legislation was put in place, and were not installed until 2017 or so, allowing them to then just never install them? Making it Trump's fault that brakes didn't stop the train from derailing (supposedly), when Biden didn't immediately reverse Trump's legislation when he got in office?

There was no law in place for the East Palestine train, even if Trump had approved the other law. The other law applied to trains that were maxed out on chemical cargo. The one that derailed was mixed cargo.

EDIT: Mines the TDLR version of below.

 

[General Emílio Médici]

I'm having trouble really figuring out the whole train brakes issue..

Like, it was legislation put in by Obama some years before Trump was in office, but those systems were somehow not installed after that legislation was put in place, and were not installed until 2017 or so, allowing them to then just never install them? Making it Trump's fault that brakes didn't stop the train from derailing (supposedly), when Biden didn't immediately reverse Trump's legislation when he got in office?

So, were the brake systems never installed, despite the Obama Era legislation because that legislation was lax enough to allow for a loophole?
Or were they installed, and then removed after a few years? Why do that when the complaint from the rail companies was the cost of installation/buying the systems to begin with?
Were these trains not used during the years the Obama legislation was still a thing? Is that why it was poorly maintained enough to catch fire? Or were they built after? Then why again, did it catch fire?

I'm legitimately having a hard time understanding how this is anyone's fault directly, and instead not some huge indication of the system of oversight and maintenance on this shit being broken to shit???

Here is a quick rundown

Obama passes the legislation. But shit doesn't happen overnight, so there is a set time for it to "go live" as it were so the companies can actually install the brakes.

Companies do not want to do it. "Muh costs" "muh profits" "wah wah let us be oligopolies in peace". So they spend the 2016 election donating more to GOP than DNC.

Trump wins in 2016. As do a bunch of Rs. They use their donations to lobby Trump and his admin. They then undo the legislation, meaning they never have to bother as the law will not go into effect.

As a side not, the whole thing of blaming the brakes is quite honestly a complete cope and complete speculation. The train wouldn't have even had the ECP brakes even if Trump had not canceled the legislation (the OG laws would have required them on trains with dangerous cargo, but the Rail lobby have very expensive jewish lawyers to game the system so the trains like the one in East Palestine are officially not dangerous cargo because only sometyhing like 50% of wagons had chemicals so it was officially "Mixed Cargo"). Furthermore info we have atm says the train was showing problems as far as 20 miles before it derailed, with a wheel on fire. If it had stopped at the first sign of trouble even a literal 19th century breke system would have done it. But they didn't stop because the entire US infrastructure is a shitshow and Norfolk Southern paid good money for Biden to threaten their employees with jail if they kept bitching about "sick leave" and "safety standards".

 

[General Disarray]

The only thing wrong with that is the statement the guy has at least two DUIs. The floor should be much higher. It's why the state has the Party Plate, so you can easily identify drivers who have DUIs.

It's cute how you think he owned the car he crashed and if he did, that he had plates. My city stopped pulling people over for just no plates because it's racist. That's how we got to over 10,000 cars stolen in 2021.

 

[silverstacks]

Groundbreaking scoop from Dailymail UK

Trump brings East Palestine thousands of bottles of his OWN water

The former president greeted crowds furious at the lack of action from the White House, 19 days after the disaster in Ohio, and brought in truckloads of his own branded water.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[derpherp2]

You're doing too much thinking. All you need to know is that the Magic Regulations would have prevented it, but didn't, because Orange Man Bad.

They're pushing a thought-terminating soundbite and not gonna let the pesky details get in the way of the narrative.

Also for anyone gathering information via twitter don't bother. Whatever Musk has been doing has increased the bots TWOFOLD.
Cuz now the republicans have bots - which the DNC responded with right-wing bots creating a feedback loop of bots, so while everything is equalized, it's equalized in the everyone is fucked sense.
Also republican bots are retarded. I can literally see the if;then response.

Seriously try it out yourself. I've replied to RNC bots agreeing with them but saying DRUMPF and covfefe at somewhere random and they get all angry and bitch at me. While citing the legislation about obummer.

 

[Random Internet Person]

-Yes-. Thankfully, the Freedom Caucus managed to prove they knew what they were doing... and for once Republicans got a legit win. This is why i was not doom and gloom when they finally let McCarthy in. Keeping him out gained nothing, what they could gain was concessions, a method of ensuring he couldn't renege, and proof they were willing to plunge the knife.

They managed to get the first and second in a form McCarthy couldn't weasel out of and I said at the time that it would be a matter of time before we knew if they were serious. Thankfully, they are, so the third is also in place and McCarthy is their bitch.

Though now we need to wait with bated breath to see if they fall into the final pitfall. We need to see if they overplay their hand. The worst thing that is true is they should ask for nothing else until after the next election. If they push too hard too fast it increasingly risks McCarthy going 'fuck it' and deciding that it's not worth the fight and flouncing out to let a Democrat take his seat. Instead, what needs to happen is in every election the pressure resumes. A new series of concessions, drag McCarthy kicking and screaming closer to the FC every election cycle when the FC is at its strongest politically and McCarthy has the tantalizing possibility of power in his grasp.

So what other concessions can the Freedom Caucus get? I doubt they can get a Biden impeachment.

 

[Tanuki Mixed Nuts]

Here is a quick rundown

Obama passes the legislation. But shit doesn't happen overnight, so there is a set time for it to "go live" as it were so the companies can actually install the brakes.

Companies do not want to do it. "Muh costs" "muh profits" "wah wah let us be oligopolies in peace". So they spend the 2016 election donating more to GOP than DNC.

Trump wins in 2016. As do a bunch of Rs. They use their donations to lobby Trump and his admin. They then undo the legislation, meaning they never have to bother as the law will not go into effect.

As a side not, the whole thing of blaming the brakes is quite honestly a complete cope and complete speculation. The train wouldn't have even had the ECP brakes even if Trump had not canceled the legislation (the OG laws would have required them on trains with dangerous cargo, but the Rail lobby have very expensive jewish lawyers to game the system so the trains like the one in East Palestine are officially not dangerous cargo because only sometyhing like 50% of wagons had chemicals so it was officially "Mixed Cargo"). Furthermore info we have atm says the train was showing problems as far as 20 miles before it derailed, with a wheel on fire. If it had stopped at the first sign of trouble even a literal 19th century breke system would have done it. But they didn't stop because the entire US infrastructure is a shitshow and Norfolk Southern paid good money for Biden to threaten their employees with jail if they kept bitching about "sick leave" and "safety standards".

See, that's added to my confusion about the blame game, because if Obama put in place a thing that could literally be ignored because the next guy who comes in will remove it, and his grace period to get the shit installed allows them to fully ignore the legislation, why isn't it also that guys fault?? His rule was so lax it did nothing at all other than line politician pockets with cash.

 

[General Emílio Médici]

See, that's added to my confusion about the blame game, because if Obama put in place a thing that could literally be ignored because the next guy who comes in will remove it, and his grace period to get the shit installed allows them to fully ignore the legislation, why isn't it also that guys fault?? His rule was so lax it did nothing at all other than line politician pockets with cash.

Like I said: Very expensive lawyers. Who would argue shit like "Oh we cannot possibly comply with this in such a time period without a severe disruption to the system! You don't wanna have to explain to the voters your laws caused their good to be delayed do you? We need at least 4 years minimum to do something like this!"

 

[Screamer_2]

I'm having trouble really figuring out the whole train brakes issue..

Like, it was legislation put in by Obama some years before Trump was in office, but those systems were somehow not installed after that legislation was put in place, and were not installed until 2017 or so, allowing them to then just never install them? Making it Trump's fault that brakes didn't stop the train from derailing (supposedly), when Biden didn't immediately reverse Trump's legislation when he got in office?

So, were the brake systems never installed, despite the Obama Era legislation because that legislation was lax enough to allow for a loophole?
Or were they installed, and then removed after a few years? Why do that when the complaint from the rail companies was the cost of installation/buying the systems to begin with?
Were these trains not used during the years the Obama legislation was still a thing? Is that why it was poorly maintained enough to catch fire? Or were they built after? Then why again, did it catch fire?

I'm legitimately having a hard time understanding how this is anyone's fault directly, and instead not some huge indication of the system of oversight and maintenance on this shit being broken to shit???

Not sure if someone's addressed it.

The Obama-era legislation wasn't to go into effect until sometime this year. It had to do with train breaks. This crash was caused by a faulty train wheel bearing.

It's just a deflection. Of course, it's repeated online so much, people just assume it's true not looking at the details. People want a simple answer as to how to blame Trump. How to give no responsibility to the Dems. They don't know or care if it is true.

The key thing is, even if that legislation was in effect and applied to this train. It would not have prevented this crash. If Trump didn't repeal it. Can you even repeal legislation that isn't put into effect? Is that the term? In any case, if Trump did nothing, the crash would have still happened.

It's a systemic failure of all administrations. Including the current one which just shut down rail workers unions want for matter conditions to help prevent this. Which is why they are desperate to blame Trump.

Now someone has just made up Trump gave them 13 year old water. No basis for that, just someone making it up. It's now repeated as if it is fact. As everyone knows Orange man bad. Anything that claims he is bad, there for must be true.

 

[More AWS-8Q Than You]

It's cute how you think he owned the car he crashed and if he did, that he had plates. My city stopped pulling people over for just no plates because it's racist. That's how we got to over 10,000 cars stolen in 2021.

I'm not gonna lie, I'm slightly confused since the comment was about a guy riding a bike in the video and the line about at least two DUIs. I'm not entirely sure what a car crash has to do with any of that. Party Plates are for DUIs and I was subtly referring to the Ohio State Sport being binge drinking, but you do you.