Ukrainian Defensive War against the Russian Invasion - Mark IV: The Partitioning of Discussion

Generation said:
Its one of the largest ammunition depots in the world, who knows what the destruction could be
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That was no more than 20k tonns of ammo, mostly artilery. This shit isn't a nuke.

Settlement in Cobasna can be in some danger. But I think it will just end like 'ok, take villagers from this side, we will blow thas shit'.
 
Generation said:
I didnt mean the risk was that they would miss out on supreme Russian ammo and explosives, more that it could be a risk for nearby settlements and might be a trap for nearby troops if they decided to try to capture it. Its one of the largest ammunition depots in the world, who knows what the destruction could be

I've not been able to locate any precise numbers, but the number floating around is that there is about 20 kiloton of ammo and explosives still there
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worst case scenario, it would make a big crater, and in the long run nobody really gives a fuck about a bit of devastation in moldova.
also i have my doubts about the russian garrison there being willing to suicide-bomb their lives away just to spite the hohols.
 
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Techpriest Mk II said:
There's no benefit to taking over Trannynistria for the Ukranians, it's a diversion of forces and equipment that they'd rather use elsewhere and the threat from it is minimal enough that basic border guards can hold the line before reserves arrive if shit does kick off. They could do it if they wanted, I just doubt they will.
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If they were to do it, now is the time to stabilize that border. What is Russia going to do? Invade Ukraine more?
 
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DumbDude43 said:
worst case scenario, it would make a big crater, and in the long run nobody really gives a fuck about a bit of devastation in moldova.
also i have my doubts about the russian garrison there being willing to suicide-bomb their lives away just to spite the hohols.
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Not suicide bomb, rigging it and hoping someone will take the bait. Which they probably wont now that i think about it
I just see it as bad risk-reward here, a compromise could be a good springboard for more constructive discussions


Nvm, i see im trying to roll a boulder up a mountain here.
Fuck it, blow it all up, kino
The crater could be a future tourist attraction
 
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The ammunition that is in Moldavia ( I can't fucking spell the name of Trannyistan) would be in really bad shape I suspect.
You think the storage in Russia is shit? Now take that + shitty breakaway republic + age of ammo = worthless junk that is more dangerous to the user then to the target.
That is why most nation phase out stuff they don't use.
It is not worth the storage, the upkeep and the danger to keep old ammo.
Also, remember what kind of Russian shills that are out there.
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Sprawy Handlowe PPHU said:
Honestly, the only perks in making Trannystan silent is to make shorten routes from Romania and so.

That 1500 ruzzkies aren't a big deal. They will not conduct a offensive due to lack of, like, everything?
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If it werent for that ammo depot, i would be 100% for a joint invasion of Transnistria. Moldavians can act as support and block while Ukraine use their more mechanized forces to quickly seize key points. As Russia cannot support these units in combat, i expect a few smaller firefights and then a mass surrender of all forces. The whole thing would probably be over in a day or two

We could probably expect more nuclear sabre rattling from Putain and a missile attack on Ukrainian infrastructure afterwards
 
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Sprawy Handlowe PPHU said:
Honestly, the only perks in making Trannystan silent is to make shorten routes from Romania and so.

That 1500 ruzzkies aren't a big deal. They will not conduct a offensive due to lack of, like, everything?
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it would not have much benefit for ukraine, yes, but it would have a lot of benefit for moldova/romania in the long term.
 
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Generation said:
The whole thing would probably be over in a day or two
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Yes, but Ukraine still must use a few thousand soldiers, dozens of tanks and so one to do that. Probably their border garrison is aroun 3-4k soldiers around Trannystan, so it is to small to make a nice offensive (not a shitshow like ruzzkie offensives).

So - they need some troops to send in that place. It will take time and some supplies. I'm pretty sure if they will need a fast road to Romania they will do that, but if not - such a offensive in this moment will be a waste of time, supplies and most important - soldiers.
 
Foltest said:
The ammunition that is in Moldavia ( I can't fucking spell the name of Trannyistan) would be in really bad shape I suspect.
You think the storage in Russia is shit? Now take that + shitty breakaway republic + age of ammo = worthless junk that is more dangerous to the user then to the target.
That is why most nation phase out stuff they don't use.
It is not worth the storage, the upkeep and the danger to keep old ammo.
Also, remember what kind of Russian shills that are out there.
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I generally dislike memes but this one is rather accurate
 
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Still holds:
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I hope the Leopards and so on arrive soon and this war doesn't last another year.

If there were a tragedy in Europe where thousands were killed, such as a natural disaster, a terrorist attack, whatever, there'd be candlelight vigils and worldwide expressions of support and sympathy. In this stupid and senseless war, thousands have been dying every week, for an entire year, and we've become acclimated to it. And it's not only the death, but the devastation and uprooted lives. I only hope this madness can end soon.

The permanent solution would be for Russia to be unable to continue being a perennial aggressor. I don't know if that's achievable but at least it can be stopped today.
 
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teriyakiburns said:
All those bradleys the Russians destroyed before any had even arrived in theatre.
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Don't forget the time Russia claimed to have shot down more TB-2s than Ukraine had ever possessed, including both originals and those delivered mid war. Then got caught shopping around the wreckage of the same drone and posing it for new photoshoots as a new shootdown. Then months later when they finally did actually shoot down another one and display it's wreckage, the dates and codes on the wreckage prove it was one of the pre-war originals Ukraine had.
 
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Generation said:
I didnt mean the risk was that they would miss out on supreme Russian ammo and explosives, more that it could be a risk for nearby settlements and might be a trap for nearby troops if they decided to try to capture it. Its one of the largest ammunition depots in the world, who knows what the destruction could be

I've not been able to locate any precise numbers, but the number floating around is that there is about 20 kiloton of ammo and explosives still there
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I've said this before, but I don't think most of that ammo is worth a damn besides serving as one big explosive. All of the shit there is directly from the mid to late Cold War and is in such a shithole 'country' that I seriously doubt Transnistria has been maintaining them besides just sticking them on a shelf.

Even well made artillery shells are only really good for 30 years or so, and the USSR was in love with quantity over quality, combine it with the fact that at least half those shells are probably half a century old and you got a stockpile that sounds like a treasure trove of ammo, but in practice you really don't want to be actually firing them.
 
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Saw some Switchblades in the new package from Biden, this has probably been the most underwhelming system so far imo. Both the 300 and 600 versions

Like, i've barely seen any footage of these units destroying russians. I thought they looked rly good on paper, and they were delivered in large numbers. Are they just keeping op-sec on the footage from these or are they for some weird reason that i cant figure out, overrated?
 
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Sprawy Handlowe PPHU said:
First few Leo II was delivered today.
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Saw on TV today where a Swedish ( or finnish, cant remember ) talked in detail about how they handle these transfers of tanks and armored vehicles from so many different nations and types

Apparently they organize it into groups and appropiate types, assign appropiate personel to get experienced on said systems and then organize the trained personell with the appropiate systems in batches
So for example

12 Leopard 2A4 from Fuckyouistan
16 Leopard 2A5 from Mongolland
8 Leopard 2A5 ( but modified ) from Charlotteville

These probably are enough alike so they are organized into similar batches and then trained according to a standardized form, regardless of specific upgrade or nation. Smart and streamlined
Then they assign the appropiate armored vehicles with the appropiate MBT as good as they can, these are then included in these batches and traing together after a shorter IFV/APC training
I had a small worry that all these different types and host nations would become a clusterfuck, seems like they've built a very streamlined and practical system in place for training, organization and transfer

I'll see if i can look up the article somewhere
 
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