Anime=Tranime (with a lot of proof) - Debunking the based Anime/Manga myth once and for all

[Ferdinand Bardamu]

TLDR

 

[thyme]

Sort of related- I've had this thought in my head ever since I read someone say that being infatuated with vtubers is gay because its just men with anime models and voice filters- wouldn't this also imply becoming enamoured with any female character made by a man is gay? At least 90% of anime girls are created, written and drawn by men.

Every time I see an anime character I think of this now

 

[Anime=Tranime]

So this thread doesn't have a point?

Of course they are because they don't actively looking for trannies in anime like you sir. Most of them just want to watch some good shit.

And what happens once a popular Anime/Manga features (left ambiguous) Tranny character? In the example of Zombieland saga all discussion shifts to that topic, making normal discussion impossible.
If I can refer a Japanese Anime Video Game for one second then an even worse case would be Bridget from Guilty Gear Strive that not only made discussion of the game impossible but was also so large scale and spammed that it made discussion other topics much more annoying as well (/v/ had like at least 15 active threads about the topic during the entire ordeal at all times).
Why is that? Cause people, especially non lefty internet dwellers, still often believe the ''based'' Anime meme, even if just subconscious. If everybody was more aware of the general attitude in the Anime/Manga industry towards the Trans issue that could all simply be avoided.

I mean you talk about the good shit. Imagine the absolute shitshow that would happen, if Steins Gate, one of the most acclaimed anime of all time, was released today.

TLDR

TLDR: I have to much free time and am bored.
There are a lot of examples of affirming portrayals of Trannies in some of the biggest/bestselling manga magazines (I will look at Anime next its pretty much the same there). In my opinion that proves that the general attitude in the Anime/Manga industry towards the Trans issue is Pro Trans (Trans Woman are real Woman/Trans Man are real Man, you know the shtick). This obviously run counter to the age old ''based'' Japan/Anime myth, which I want to conclusively debunk with this.

 

[draggs]

It's Japan, if you don't like tranny animu manguh then don't consoom it, pick one of the 8731 other distinct fetishes Japan has made artistically available in bulk. I have never encountered a particular animu manguh title or genre/theme/whatever without actively looking for it. Begs some questions about the OP really...

 

[Kari Kamiya]

I simply include manga that feature trannies.

So you're just being disingenuous from the start and have no real need for a debate on the effects anime has on Western consoomerism. Good to know this was just a time-waster for you.

 

[Anime=Tranime]

It's Japan, if you don't like tranny animu manguh then don't consoom it

I simply cataloged all important instances to prove a point. If you disagree with my presented evidence and the conclusion, I draw from it (that the Anime/manga industry is pozzed on the Trans issue) then please explain why.

title or genre/theme/whatever without actively looking for it. Begs some questions about the OP really...

I found the Trannies in:
-Homunculus
-Paradise Kiss
-Welcome to the NHK Manga
-Skip to Loafer
-Firepunch
-Mahou Shoujo Site/Magical Girl Site
-Wind Breaker
- Okaeri Alice/Welcome back Alice
-Zombieland Saga
-Steins Gate

By simply reading/watching popular Anime/Manga (which all of the examples except for Mahou Shoujo Site/Magical Girl Site and Wind Breaker are). The rest I found by specifically looking yes. I wanted to know how deep the rabbit hole goes.

So you're just being disingenuous from the start and have no real need for a debate on the effects anime has on Western consoomerism.

How am I disingenuous? I don't think that including a Tranny means that the story suddenly must be shit. If you include one however you will automatically choose a side in the Trans debate. All manga that I have encountered that feature Trannies, be it small and obscure or big and popular are pro Trans (Affirm the idea that: Trans Woman are real Woman/Trans Man are real Man). What you do with that information, if you for example don't want yours kids to watch/read Anime/manga because of this fact, that is really just up to you.
I wanted to proof that the Anime/Manga industry is pozzed on the Trans issue, by showing famous/bestselling manga magazines featuring positive portrayals/Trans affirming stuff. I think I have provided enough evidence to do so.
If you want to discuss the effects anime has on Western consoomerism or the Anime to Troon pipeline then create your own thread about it.

 

[Shart Attack]

Yeah, all the manga listed are Pro Trans, that's the reason why I included them. The fact that they run in different big magazines regardless of targeted demographic shows, to me at least, that the prevailing attitude towards the Trans Debate in Anime/Manga industry, at least of the Editors and the People running the magazines, is, in general, Pro Trans.

Ah yes, those famously pro-trans series you mentioned, like... Dragonball, Naruto, and Victorian Romance Emma. Nigger what the fuck are you talking about.

That's not what the thread is about. Not a topic that I currently have an interest in discussing, or really the knowledge either since I don't really engage with current western pop culture.

You should really think about the point I was trying to make. You misunderstand why people look at Japanese fiction as an alternative to "pozzed" Western fiction. It isn't the mere existence of a tranny character who doesn't explicitly get told to 41% himself that makes something "pozzed." "Pozzed" is shorthand for a certain way Western creators have of shoving trans, gay, feminist, and racial grievance bullshit down the audience's throat with zero subtlety to the complete exclusion of quality storytelling. It's a smug hostility toward normalcy. Steins;Gate has a crossdresser who in an alternate timeline becomes female, and a subplot revolves around the main character's conflict with ruining that for him/her. So what? It doesn't shove the message, "Trans rights are human rights, you transphobe!" down the audience's throat. It doesn't try to convince its teenage audience to take puberty blockers. It doesn't undermine the story's quality. No one but you would call it "pozzed."

How am I disingenuous? I don't think that including a Tranny means that the story suddenly must be shit. If you include one however you will automatically choose a side in the Trans debate. All manga that I have encountered that feature Trannies, be it small and obscure or big and popular are pro Trans (Affirm the idea that: Trans Woman are real Woman/Trans Man are real Man). What you do with that information, if you for example don't want yours kids to watch/read Anime/manga because of this fact, that is really just up to you.

This is also something you don't seem to get. Japanese society isn't having the "trans debate" the West is having. They certainly weren't having it in the 70s, 80s, 90s, or 00s, from which you pulled half your examples. You're looking at foreign media from 50 years ago and imagining it's taking some side in a "debate" being waged in the West in present day. This is the same logic as the Tumblr retards who think Rose of Versaille or trap characters validate their worldview, because they think it's proof the Japanese agree with them. It's insanity.

 

[Anime=Tranime]

Ah yes, those famously pro-trans series you mentioned

You misunderstood my intention there. I mentioned other notable series that ran in the same magazines, as the Manga focusing on Trans people, not because they are Pro/Contra Trans but to show that these Manga magazines are indeed some of the most important/bestselling in the Manga industry.
I did that cause the great point I am trying to proof is that the Manga/Anime industry in general is Pro Trans/affirming of the Idea that: Trans Woman are real Woman/Trans Men are real Man. I find it very doubtful that the Editors and higher ups running the magazine would run a Pro Trans Manga if they themselves were of the YWNBAW crowd. If you don't think that is enough proof we will have to agree to disagree.

Steins;Gate has a crossdresser

Nah that character isn't just a crossdresser. The story makes it clear that Ruka is Trans/MTF. SteinsGate message in the end is also a Pro Trans one. The point the story wants to convey is that Ruka is a real woman regardless of whether we are in the timeline were Ruka is biologically also a female or not.

It doesn't try to convince its teenage audience to take puberty blockers. It doesn't undermine the story's quality.

Having a trans character doesn't immediately make a story bad. That is not something I believe in. Most people on Kiwifarms and on the right in general would still oppose the idea that children really have the foresight, knowledge and experience to decide that they actually are the opposite gender. In Wandering Son however the author affirms that Shuuichi indeed has that ability, its part of a larger principle debate I will talk about last in more detail.

pozzed

I will admit that I shouldn't have used that word. Bringing a term created in discussions about western media and the ''wokening'' of western pop culture in general into a discussion of Japanese media is a bad idea. I used it because I thought it would be easier to understand my point, but in reality it really makes it just easier to misunderstand what I am trying to say.

trans debate

The entire Trans debate is at its core about a simple question. Are Trans Woman real Woman/Trans Man real Man, Yes or No? How you should logically stand on more specific issues about Trans people afterwards is already decided by your answer on this question. For example you can't disagree with Trans Woman using Bathroom for Woman if you say yes, otherwise that would make you a hypocrite. From my experience most people on here and on the right in general would say No.

Obviously the current debate raging in the west isn't the result of only ''pure/gender dysphoria'' Trans people (if you think that they actually exist), but mostly because of AGP Fetishist, incel losers and narcissistic loonies that use the Trans Label as a shield and weapon, but that, at the end of the Day, still doesn't change the fact that most people here and on the right would say that both ''pure'' Trans people and the other people, who use it not because of some actual dysphoria but because of more nefarious reasons, are at the end of the day their biologic gender and not the gender they identify as.

The attitude in the Manga/Anime industry in general in my eyes is that they say Yes, Trans Woman are real Woman/Trans Man are real Man. I will admit that that doesn't mean that all of them for example think puberty blockers are a good idea.

 

[Kari Kamiya]

All manga that I have encountered that feature Trannies, be it small and obscure or big and popular are pro Trans (Affirm the idea that: Trans Woman are real Woman/Trans Man are real Man.)

Claudine...! isn't pro-trans, it's a tragedy. It's about a woman in a family of all-boys who was so close to her father and believed that he must've loved her simply because she did masculine activities with him that she believed she could actually be a mini-him all along (which she technically was), and tried to be a man like him when he died. She didn't try to change her appearance or cut off her tits or the like, she was just a sad, broken person who couldn't understand why women weren't into her despite doing masculine things. The audience pities her because of how she was raised, never realizing her full sense of self. Trannies who look at her and go "'He's' just like meeeee!" can't understand nuance (or just can't read 'cause she actually spells it out for you she was a daddy's girl), they lack that critical line of thinking, hence why they're trying to hijack Ranma ½ as "their" anime.

So no, not "all" manga. If anything, they're not "pro-trans" in-so-much as they are "Huh, wouldn't this make for an interesting character story if they're turning gender roles on its head?" Some stories are just more realistic than others.

So that's why I said you're being disingenuous, but you most likely never actually sat down to study these titles proper (as in read/watched them to completion) so you just come off like a pompous faggot trying to be smart.

 

[Anime=Tranime]

Claudine...! isn't pro-trans, it's a tragedy.

Okay. Do you still know which translation you read? I read the official Seven Sea Translation a while ago, in which Claudine was clearly made to be trans, and after looking online, it seemed to me that that was indeed the authors intention. I know how badly Seven Sea fucked up the translation of Koisuru (Otome) no Tsukurikata/ I Think I Turned My Childhood Friend Into a Girl, turning the Crossdresser into a MTF, and Mushoku Tensei , outright removing entire passages, it is possible that they fucked with the translation and misconstrued its meaning. If that is the case I apologize and will remove that example.

(The back cover of the Seven Sea Translation calls him a Man, I can't find a scane of the seven sea print and there isn't an offical digital edition just to prove that I am not lying about the seven sea version making Claudine a FTM. I don't have the print edition anymore myself since I sold it)

If anything, they're not "pro-trans" in-so-much as they are "Huh, wouldn't this make for an interesting character story if they're turning gender roles on its head?"

My other examples are still about Trans people and not just "Huh, wouldn't this make for an interesting character story if they're turning gender roles on its head?" so I would still say that my overall point isn't invalided should that one example turn out to be incorrect.

 

[Kari Kamiya]

I read the official Seven Sea Translation a while ago

That's a big mistake. When the troons at Seven Seas touch a license, go read the scanlations instead. (Read the scanlation years ago, it's still up.)

 

[Mothra1988]

go back to shitposting you garbage threads on /pol/

 

[Shart Attack]

"(Dragon Ball, Naruto, One Piece, Bleach, JoJo Bizarre Adventure, Chainsaw Man, Demon Slayer, My Hero Academia, Death Note, Hunter x Hunter) ... Akira ... Emma ... etc.

Half of your autistic wall of text is just you cataloging series that share a magazine with your examples of supposed pro-trans degeneracy. The only people who are even going to read your sperging already know what Weekly Shounen Jump is, and none of them are under the illusion it's some obscure underground 'zine.

Yeah, all the manga listed are Pro Trans, that's the reason why I included them.

Ah yes, those famously pro-trans series you mentioned, like... Dragonball, Naruto, and Victorian Romance Emma. Nigger what the fuck are you talking about.

You misunderstood my intention there. I mentioned other notable series that ran in the same magazines, as the Manga focusing on Trans people, not because they are Pro/Contra Trans but to show that these Manga magazines are indeed some of the most important/bestselling in the Manga industry.

No, I understood you perfectly. Please make up your mind.

Nah that character isn't just a crossdresser. The story makes it clear that Ruka is Trans/MTF. SteinsGate message in the end is also a Pro Trans one. The point the story wants to convey is that Ruka is a real woman regardless of whether we are in the timeline were Ruka is biologically also a female or not.

No, Ruka is a crossdresser. He refers to himself with the male pronoun "boku," as opposed to the female pronoun "atashi." He still has a dick and balls. Everyone around him refers to him as a male, and he never contradicts them. His entire conflict is that he's ashamed of his gay love for Rintaro. He would have nothing to be ashamed of if he thought he was a woman, because it's not shameful for a woman to love a man. That's why his ideal timeline is one in which he's a woman, it's the only way he could love Rintaro, still be straight, and have a chance at Rintaro loving him back. His conflict is resolved when he learns Rintaro won't disown Ruka for being a gay guy, after which he goes back to being a gay guy without issue. The cause of his shame is gone, and therefore so is his reason to want to be a woman. If anything, the show comes down on the same side conservatives often come down on: "You're not a woman, you're a gay guy, just accept that you're a gay guy, nobody gives a shit."

You have completely, utterly missed the point of what the story was trying to do. You retard.

I will admit that I shouldn't have used that word. Bringing a term created in discussions about western media and the ''wokening'' of western pop culture in general into a discussion of Japanese media is a bad idea. I used it because I thought it would be easier to understand my point, but in reality it really makes it just easier to misunderstand what I am trying to say.

If bringing terms created to discuss the "wokening" of Western media into a discussion about Japanese media is a bad idea, then by your own admission, your entire OP is a bad idea (I happen to agree). Your entire thesis is that anime isn't as "based" as people say. "Based" is just like "pozzed," a Western word shat out of 4chan to discuss the Western culture wars.

 

[Jeff Q. Anime]

Cute girls are cute!

 

[Anime=Tranime]

Just gone throw one more Manga on the Big Ones pile.

Barcode Fighter (1992-194) 5 volumes, Monthly magazine​

TLDR: Okay, this manga is a Tie in for a simple Handheld called the Barcode Battler that had a short spurt of popularity in Japan before being marginalized into obscurity by the Gameboy. The Tie-in at first was just gone be a normal battle manga but then the author decided to make one of the main characters an MTF. After the actual Gender of the MTF is revaled the other main character, a boy, starts protecting the MTF from people who say that the MTF is a Boy. The idea was rejected by his editor but the Editor in chief approved it. Has historical importance due to its inclusion of a MTF in a manga magazine direct at elementary school boys (only after a year of publication was it revealed that the Main Girl is a MTF which shocked and supposedly traumatized its audience). Author drew a Pokémon Manga (Electric Tale of Pikachu) afterwards.

Has an Anime: No

Licensed: No

Magazine: CoroCoro Comic, basically THE manga magazine for very young Boys, the place for Tie-in-Manga for mega franchises like Pokémon, Beyblade and Yokai Watch, peak circulation of nearly 2 million in the late 1990s and 600 000 in 2018

Other notable series that ran in the magazine:​

-Doraemon (on of the highest-grossing media franchises of all time, total revenue of 7 billion for comparison: Simpsons made 8,6 billion, 250 million copies sold, multiple anime adaptations)

-All Pokémon Manga ran in it as well

-Beyblade is a collaboration between the CoroCoro Comic and toy manufacturer Takara, all Tie-in-Manga ran in CoroCoro Comic

go back to shitposting you garbage threads on /pol/

How is my conclusion wrong?

No, I understood you perfectly. Please make up your mind.

Yeah all the manga I gave a big rundown of (TLDR, Has an Anime...) are Pro Trans in my opinion. The Manga in the: Other notable series that ran in the magazine, again are just there to prove the point that the magazines serializing the Pro Trans Manga are popular/important. Since "(Dragon Ball, Naruto, One Piece, Bleach, JoJo Bizarre Adventure, Chainsaw Man, Demon Slayer, My Hero Academia, Death Note, Hunter x Hunter) ... Akira ... Emma ... etc. mostly don't feature Trans characters they can't be Pro/Contra Trans (It is debatable if One Piece and Hunter x Hunter do, as far as I remember they do but I would have to go back and check since I can remember people calming that that were just western mistranslations/westerners inserting western concepts into the Manga).

It is not my intention to claim that the Manga listed in the Other...magazine section are Pro Trans. If you don't believe me then I don't know what to say.
Unlike you I don't believe that the only people who would read it are people who are already in the know, otherwise I would not have included it.

based

Including based makes sense in my opinion since I am describing how certain Part of the WESTERN Anime fandom perceive Anime who intern use based to describe Anime most often in contrast with the supposed wokeness of western media. Using Pozzed to describe something like Wandering Son that was A) Made nearly 20 years ago and B) not in the west makes no sense since the context in which it was created, in Japan during the 2000s for a Japanese audience, isn't he same context in which terms like woke, pozzed and based were created, in online discussion on the US-Web during the 2010s about pop culture. Anime and Japan gained the attribute of being ''based'' in the latter context, even if it makes little sense, as a counterexample for the woke/pozzed western pop culture, which is why I think it makes sense to include it. Most people in the western Anime fandom have no idea of the attitude of the Manga/Anime industry towards the Trans Issue and I doubt that the term based would still be used to describe Anime if everyone in the western fandom knew.

 

[Mothra1988]

LOL he just admitted he's the retard to spams this shit on /pol/. Definite lolcow.

 

[Disheveled-Human]

Liking Anime doesn't mean you are a tranny per se' it means you are probably a loser faggot though.

 

[Angry Alt Right Nerd]

Anime is not based, Japan's nerd culture is far more liberal compared to the rest of their society. There is nothing more cringe in Japan than being a westaboo.

 

[Throng of Titans]

OP I don't have to to read all this, just post the rest of your fap collection so we can move on.

 

[DinnerDates]

my dude just can't stop thinking about tranny cock tbh