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6 million ethnic Russian Donbabwians weren't genocide by Ukrop Artillery. But they should have been and they will be.
Ukrainian Defensive War against the Russian Invasion - Mark IV: The Partitioning of Discussion
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This happened almost a month ago, and the case has been ongoing since before the war:
https://rus.tvnet.lv/7703719/ukrain...garha-byvshego-ministra-i-v-nalogovoy-sluzhbe
СБУ провела обыски у Игоря Коломойского
В связи с расследованием предполагаемых махинаций вокруг "Укрнафты" и "Укртатнафты"
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Can't say I have much sympathy for oligarchs. And getting rid of them is one of the vows Zelensky took.
Not that I condone this, but there's something to be said here. When you use resettlement to take over someone's land, be prepared that the other side might resettle them back, sometimes into the soil. It's only fair.
You're essentially using people as a human shield, shields get hit.
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Personally I always thought any legitimate civilian dead from Ukr Artillery in the L/DPR zones were from collateral damage. I would need to dig to the orginal Ukraine thread but there were corpses from alleged indiscriminate bombings that had uniform cuts from autopsy tools implying they were random cadavers put on display for propaganda purposes. What would the angle be according to the zigger shills? Ukraine, next to an overtly hostile neighbor, very limited weapons and zero secuirty guarantees from anyone decided to provoke a response for fun?
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Atomic Heart was essentially funded by Gazprom money and is exploiting an undying request of the Russian citizenry about WHAT COULD HAVE BEEN.
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Russian propaganda still cites 12k dead ethnic Russians (implying civilians) in Donbabwe while the number is actually mostly combatants from both sides.
One time they funded something decent. I like historical fiction (emphasis on fiction), but don't have much interest in Atomic Heart. My brother beat it, I saw some of it, it's okay (has a lot of design flaws and suffers from poor writing). I'd rather money goes into things like gamedev as opposed to propaganda (as it has been for years) and now war.
People are being too anal about some videogame IMO. Considering how expensive the war is, whatever Russian government supposedly makes back from its sales is a drop in the bucket, even though I'm pretty sure it's all going to company's Cyprus offshore.
It's hilarious watching Russian reviewers give it extra points in reviews for being "Russian", with their inferiority complex on full display. Don't think I've seen any other country do it.
It's funny. Like in WWII enemies would airdrop leaflets on the cities of their opponent to reach common folk, but now we're deliberately cutting all the communication to further isolate Russians, vatnik or otherwise. One ought to be careful not to alienate potential allies, and affirming persecution complex of vatniks isn't productive either. Pick your battles.
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Dude, as a Russian, you don't understand how irritating it is for most Eastern Europeans to see how hard Russians simp for the GLORIOUS PAST and how they drool for some romanticized depiction of the USSR. Stuff like Everlasting Summer was popular with the imageboard crowd, historically the most Western-aligned audience in the former USSR. It's not just vatniks, it's the whole of you.
I'm sorry, but you have like...Russian privilege. Your country needs to be broken down and all Russianness extinguished, save for your language. The whole concept of Russia is of an all-consuming imperial blob.
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Trust me, I do. It's just that Atomic Heart is so ridiculous, anyone taking it seriously is probably insane.
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Atomic Heart is funny. It's set in a fictional world where the USSR has somehow overtaken everyone in technology, giving them all the wealth and influence they could possibly want.
A bunch of oligarchs manage to fuck everything up regardless. Therefore I think the plot of the game is very Russian.
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A bunch of oligarchs manage to fuck everything up regardless. Therefore I think the plot of the game is very Russian.
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this attitude of yours is why total war and nuclear annihilation seem like not so bad alternatives to russia
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Which attitude? Current Russia is not trustworthy and one could argue that Putin is the flesh and blood of the Russian psyche. Do you think that when Putin's gone things will fundamentally change in Russia?
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That's how you convince even normal Russians to be your enemy, as there is no other path for them other than survival.
As hard as it is for you as a Ukrainian, we need Russia and its people to be sane. We don't want it destabilized too much either. I don't want nukes sold on the black market and people butchering each other on all the borderlands.
A sane Russian would understand that romanticized visions of the past are just that. For example, commie regime in Romania used real history to strengthen very weak links to a very distant past 2000 years ago of Dacians and Romans, but everyone sane knows this is propaganda, and the tiny core of reality in the narrative is just that and it's been so long that we'll never truly know the details. Only the lowest IQ bought into the stories sold by the regime, and they're irrelevant politically, as it should be.
Russia being so isolated is generally bad for us, as we cannot have actual discussions, in which their narratives would collapse quite fast. We need a new regime that is far more open, and in a few decades we will see.
If we fuck with the normie Russians it will create the same resentment that East Europeans have towards Russians. This shit has got to stop somewhere, just as we did with the EU calming down most hotheads, France vs Germany etc. Sure we still have some Orbans being retards on important issues, but they're exceptions. Can't have endless amplifying of ethnic hatreds.
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Dude, we get it, stop sperging, just because we're supportive of ukraine doesn't mean we're fucked up enough to put collective guilt on all russians and demand their destruction like what you've been sprouting
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Exotic opinion.
I only see a very not suprising fps/rpg masshup with robotits. Something witch will not be Fallout 2.0 ruzzkie edition.
It is hard to write, but...
Man. There are no other option for ruzzkie to retrive than full collaps. Germoney is Germoney - a pretty nice state with cash and techno music - because they was totally fucked op to the ground in 1944-45. After carnage of last month of WW2 they just get that they should not start a war.
It is same case with ruzzia - if we had hope to have in future (lets say - 30-40 years after war) they need to get fucked hard. Yes, it will be a tragedy for most of them. Yes, many of them will suffer. Yes, not all of them are bad. Yes, most of victims will be innocent.
But this isn't about who is good, and who is bad, but how some nations behave. Nation will get not to start wars only if they will be fucked extreme hard in one they started.
Yes, I have hope than Astro will not suffer from this and also innocents will not suffer, but I feel that is impossible to secure that frontline and secure future for everyone - also for future generations of Russians - without something that will teach all citizens of ruzzia not to play stupid games. Germoney has battle of Berlin and destruction of many historical places during last war to remember why they shouldn't start war, Japan had H&N memorials, so I'm affraid that ruzzia will be startig wars to the time when they will also have such thing.
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With that logic so should the united states, for real stop sperging out too much, agenda, mg, foltest and even dumbdude and smittywerbemenjemsen are normal calm and collected about this, don't denigrate us to a all russia must be punished like the germans and ashamed forever. If you're gonna act like that I sincerely ask for you and vince to fuck off to the other happening thread instead of shitting up this one
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Putin is one particularly cunning and vicious man who managed to elbow his way into the top spot. Russians do by and large support him, but it's an unfortunate reality that citizens will put implicit trust in their leaders, even if horribly misplaced.
I don't know what it is about Russia that they seem incapable of good government, but many of today's quiet, modern countries were once violent, expansionist empires. Russia has enormous potential: natural resources, a historic culture, decent education. It just needs to be pulled out of the past. The country could enjoy widespread prosperity and high standards of living if a few oligarchs weren't hoarding all the wealth.
The ideal scenario would be similar to Japan: an imposed constitutional order and demilitarization. Probably also breaking off some provinces (federal subjects). But with nukes in the picture that's not realistic, and so it's going to continue being this grinding, bloody war, till Russia's offensive capacity is spent. Tragically it's Ukraine bleeding to drain that capacity.
Whoever comes after Putin at least won't have Putin's ego to worry about. I only hope his successor is at least realistic and would rather work with the western world than fight it.
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Nobody is sperging. I'll try to elucidate my point, as ridiculous as it might be:
There's something about the current concept of Russianness that is enticing its citizenry to believe it even without the threat of force. My guess, it makes it very easy to make yourself a part of the collective, to be something greater than yourself, even if you sacrifice the core essence of your being (what we call freedom).
I don't wish to exterminate Russians, I don't wish to extinguish Russian culture and Russian contributions to the world. Denying that Russians have added a lot to the world would be idiotic. I have partially Russian blood myself. But Russia has been getting away with things other empires paid for already and transformed. I just wish that I'd proudly proclaim that I'm part Russian because of Tolstoy, Dostoyevsky and the likes. Not hating a part of my being because others decided to fuck it up and play Zerg.
I hope I make sense.
There's something about the current concept of Russianness that is enticing its citizenry to believe it even without the threat of force. My guess, it makes it very easy to make yourself a part of the collective, to be something greater than yourself, even if you sacrifice the core essence of your being (what we call freedom).
I don't wish to exterminate Russians, I don't wish to extinguish Russian culture and Russian contributions to the world. Denying that Russians have added a lot to the world would be idiotic. I have partially Russian blood myself. But Russia has been getting away with things other empires paid for already and transformed. I just wish that I'd proudly proclaim that I'm part Russian because of Tolstoy, Dostoyevsky and the likes. Not hating a part of my being because others decided to fuck it up and play Zerg.
I hope I make sense.
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russians support putin because they support the state (necessary for stability and security) and putin is the face of the state.
what alternative is there? before putin there was jeltsins ancap hell which bled the country dry, before that there was bolshevism, and before that (100 years ago) there was the despotism of the tsar. putin is much preferable to either of those, doesnt help that most opposition to him are thinly veiled western puppets and would-be opportunists (hi navalny!)
no you mongoloid
first, this moronic retardation left both japan and germany as dead nations with no future, little more than burger vassal states and military proxies. violent death is a better outcome than this kind of descent into perpetual servitude, this is why russia is willing to continue the fight at any cost, whatever it takes, to the bitter end if necessary. and unlike japan and germany in 45, russia actually does have the means to defend itself.
second, the degree of total destruction that would be necessary to implement these apocalyptic plans of yours is impossible to achieve against russia without taking down half the civilized world in a nuclear exchange in the process.
the ideal scenario would be a return to the status quo ante bellum, followed by intense fortification of ukraine to guard against and deter possible future renewal of hostilities. whether it would be the status quo of 2014 (ukrainian crimea) or 2021 (russian crimea) can be debated, but that's the best possible outcome of this war that isn't a total pipedream.
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Germany and Japan atoned for their sins against the world. Exactly because of this they have future, otherwise Morgenthau Plan would've been enacted.
As for Yeltsin's "ancap hell", for once in Russia's history, the populace was actually given a chance to forge their own destiny. Yes, it was ruthless and inhumane but all the positives that Russia saw in the "fat oughts" as they call them, was the result of that...and oil.
The break is inevitable. Leaving Russia to rot and Ukraine to be a "greater Israel" is essentially dooming both nations for a "terror without end".
As for Yeltsin's "ancap hell", for once in Russia's history, the populace was actually given a chance to forge their own destiny. Yes, it was ruthless and inhumane but all the positives that Russia saw in the "fat oughts" as they call them, was the result of that...and oil.
The break is inevitable. Leaving Russia to rot and Ukraine to be a "greater Israel" is essentially dooming both nations for a "terror without end".