Microsoft is fucking butthurt no one wants Windows 11 so they're stopping the sale of Windows 10 licenses this month

Pissmaster said:
That is disgustingly user unfriendly.
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I used to work for a software vendor whose core, performance-sensitive code was actually pretty shitty and slow. However, it was an extremely complex suite, and most of our development resources went into UI/UX and workflow. We'd have upstarts run by talented hotshot programmers come after our business with impressive speed benchmarks. We'd smack them down by insisting we benchmark our workflow versus the upstart's. The user would typically finish the job using our software in a couple hours, while they'd end up going back and forth with the competition's support team for days or even weeks on end.

Computer geeks who think performance is just about showing off how much faster your hashtables are than the other guy's don't make a lot of money.
 
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Just so no one can say I didn't give Manjaro a fair shake, I tried it on a totally different computer. This time after boot, it displayed the mouse cursor, the task bar, and a completely black screen besides that. Nothing responded at all after letting it load for 15 minutes.

I officially cannot figure out any way to install this distro. Even Windows ME would install before it shit the bed.
 
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byuu said:
This wouldn't have happened with Hannah Montana Linux.
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Of course you'd think that retard. Don't you know that the single Kenyan that manages the clock widget uses OCTAGONAL CODE, thereby committing FOSS genocide?

Hillary Duff Linux FTW
Aidan said:
It's interesting how you guys have problems trying to do the most basic things with any Linux you touch.
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I genuinely enjoy Linux Mint, and once my only lingering issue is dealt with I'll honestly use it more often. It's the closest thing I'll probably ever have to Windows 7.5, which will have to do. I just consider having my computer literally refuse to shut down to be a serious flaw.
Pissmaster said:
That is disgustingly user unfriendly.
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It's really weird to me how the concept of an exe file has been absolutely raped in linux. There are more install methods on Linux than there are people that actually use Linux. Why the fuck .deb isn't the default for everything is annoying as all hell.
 
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The Ugly One said:
I used to work for a software vendor whose core, performance-sensitive code was actually pretty shitty and slow. However, it was an extremely complex suite, and most of our development resources went into UI/UX and workflow. We'd have upstarts run by talented hotshot programmers come after our business with impressive speed benchmarks. We'd smack them down by insisting we benchmark our workflow versus the upstart's. The user would typically finish the job using our software in a couple hours, while they'd end up going back and forth with the competition's support team for days or even weeks on end.

Computer geeks who think performance is just about showing off how much faster your hashtables are than the other guy's don't make a lot of money.
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Excellent story about the importance of user interfaces. It's really something that's lost on so many enthusiasts.

The most impressed I've ever been in my entire life by something on a computer was when I tried pinch zooming on an iPhone for the very first time. That's not a joke nor a troll. Pinch zooming was so natural and smooth that I immediately knew it would become standard for the rest of our lives. Before that, if your device had zooming at all, it was always regulated to keystroke combos or a + / - button. It is truly astounding how rarely a well designed UX is appreciated.
 
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A user-hour costs a company somewhere between $50 and $100, and that's just the cost of the employee to sit there and breathe. The cost of work not getting done is much higher. I have seen a very expensive development project go unfinished for a year because Linux decided to be a cunt and IT didn't have the bandwidth to fix the issue.
 
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Matt Damon said:
Just so no one can say I didn't give Manjaro a fair shake, I tried it on a totally different computer. This time after boot, it displayed the mouse cursor, the task bar, and a completely black screen besides that. Nothing responded at all after letting it load for 15 minutes.

I officially cannot figure out any way to install this distro. Even Windows ME would install before it shit the bed.
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Works on my machines, virtually and bare metal. Did you try the open source drivers?
 
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It's funny and genuinely interesting how this has spanned 40 years. Cliff Stoll references UNIX wizards in his book "The Cuckoo's Egg," published in 1989 which takes place in the mid 80s mostly at Berkeley.
Matt Damon said:
Yes.

I also tried editing the boot settings with "mesa" rather than "free" drivers which gets me past the initial black screen but the Manjaro installer still hangs every time.
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Eh, whatever. You're not missing out in this case.
 
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So I keep reading "oh, it's a common misconception that Ubuntu and other Debian distros are noob-friendly; they're old and out of date and you should use Manjaro because it's got the advantages of Arch's rolling releases but it's easy to install!"

Hey, what the hell, right? I download the ISO and start it up. I select "boot with proprietary drivers" because proprietary drivers are just like open-source drivers, except they actually work sometimes. The Live session starts, I click "Install Manjaro Linux" on the desktop, the windows opens... and closes. Weird. I click again, it opens... and immediately closes. I try running it from the start menu-equivalent, same thing. I cannot install the operating system.

So I shut down, go back to the boot menu, run with open-source drivers this time and get exactly the same thing. I wonder if there's some setting going horribly wrong, so I try to open the boot options to see if there are any relevant options I can mess around with. The "boot options" selection does absolutely nothing except add "edit boot options" to what appears to be some kind of clipboard (?) over and over and over again.

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But it's okay - I'm assured by Linuxfags that what happened never, ever happens.
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I had absolutely no issues putting this on an old as fuck Thinkpad and having all drivers work from the get go. Starting to think the issue might be you here.
 
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Matt Damon said:
Naturally. As I said previously:

Linux is a lot like communism: if it didn't work, it wasn't real Linux. Nothing is ever actually a problem with Linux - the user always just did it wrong or had the wrong use case or the wrong hardware.
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Anecdotally, PEBCAK has rung true in such cases.
 
Aidan said:
Anecdotally, PEBCAK has rung true in such cases.
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Again, if you can tell me the correct way to select a boot option or double-click a desktop icon, I am open to suggestions. Those were the only two interactions I was able to have with the installation before it repeatedly failed - it's not like this was a long, involved process prone to error.

Maybe I have to tap the ISO just right like the Fonz.
 
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