Ukrainian Defensive War against the Russian Invasion - Mark IV: The Partitioning of Discussion

'Wounding is more effective than killing'

Maybe in a cold economic sense

But wars aren't fought with actuary tables
Russians have way more people to expend then the Ukranians. Unless Ukranians start lobbing nukes into Russian strongholds the Russians will have enough troops to dry out Ukrainian forces in a conventional fight. The only real way for Ukraine and their allies to win is to make the war so costly it becomes economically not viable to continue. Considering the west has tossed billions into this casually and the Russian government is sending in battalions of troops and equipment to get shredded at this it seems like this country is worth a lot to both sides. For what reasons and why is not clearly stated it just is for what ever reason.
 
I looked into what kind of munitions are being dropped and what comes up is what looks like a lightly modified stick grenade of Soviet origin just with some wing tips on it. The perspective of the drone angles make the payload seem smaller than it is but still its not very lethal unless dropped within a meter or two of the target. I guess like most grenades.
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The rule of thumb average fatality radius of offensive grenades is ~5 meters and the wounding radius is ~15 meters. Defensive grenades are a whole other thing but I have zero knowledge when it comes to those so I couldn't tell you off the top of my head. What you're forgetting is that grenades dropped from drones are naturally going to be slightly inaccurate at best unless there is zero wind. That might be why it looks like they're not dropping them directly on them on purpose. However, you don't have to be necessarily accurate because they're area of effect weapons and 5 meters is still a good distance
 
Russians have way more people to expend then the Ukranians. Unless Ukranians start lobbing nukes into Russian strongholds the Russians will have enough troops to dry out Ukrainian forces in a conventional fight.
Maybe in a world where high explosives, automatic guns and force multipliers don't exist
 
Considering the west has tossed billions into this casually and the Russian government is sending in battalions of troops and equipment to get shredded at this it seems like this country is worth a lot to both sides. For what reasons and why is not clearly stated it just is for what ever reason.
For Russia's side, it's a principal-agent problem. Putin is not being shredded on the front line, yet he's the one deciding to continue waging this war. The cost to him personally is quite low, as his wealth and power is fairly secure, and he believes he'll be honored as the next Peter the Great if he succeeds.

For the western world, the cost is not particularly high. The rest of Europe and to a lesser extent North America are suffering some higher prices, but none of our boys are dying. And there's a huge advantage, especially for countries close to Russia, in establishing that such conquests will not be tolerated. (This is in addition to plain human sympathy for Ukrainians being killed by the thousands for no fucking reason.)
 
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I agree that Bakhmut is likely to fall soon, though I disagree it will lead to any rapid break-through.
My point is just that:
1) the longer Russia takes to capture Bakhmut, the worse it gets for them, and
2) the original question that caused the comment chain involved a scenario when Russia just somehow is able to sweep across all of Europe because Ukraine suddenly decides to give up. If it takes them 7 months (and counting) to capture a single city close to their own border, how would anyone expect Russia to blitz all of Europe before NATO arms production ramps up to full capacity?

Oh, I agree. I don't want to sound like a doomer; I don't know if I'd say its going to fall soon, just that Russian artillery and wagner prisoner waves are going wear down any defense if they keep it up long enough. If Ukraine can manage some counter attacks to take off the pressure... i mean, if they could throw russia back 500 yards, that'd like what, 8 months for Russia to take back?

And yes, it is (or should be) utterly humiliating that Russia can't beat an enemy 1/4th its size, and that its been stalemated on one town for months by said enemy. This isn't even a Vietnam comparison where there's some Ruski 'rules of engagement'/47th parallel hamstringing their soldiers being they shelled the suburbs of Kiev until they got driven back - they just can't pull it off.
I just like to caution people about Tweaking Vatniggers about Bakhmut by name is just going to make them more spastic than they already are if Ukraine has to withdraw from the town.

how would anyone expect Russia to blitz all of Europe before NATO arms production ramps up to full capacity?
Either convince the Chinks now is the time to take Taiwan, or they do the usual Soviet tactics: activate their antifa Commies in NATO to get the governments to Neville Chamberlain and cuck under for "peace".

If Eurocucks would stand, fight, and resist Russia wouldn't have a chance. But Eurocucks gonna cuck, and that's all Russia needs.
 
It's impressive really that one of the things that might cause the downfall of current Russia is a small coal mining town, not some siege of some capital city, not some massive force invading Russia itself, no just the inability to take a single fucking village. Is this one of the most pathetic military engagements ever?
Give Russia some credit, it's two coal mining towns in different places, and they did manage to take a salt mining town. And steal a raccoon from a zoo.
 
I just like to caution people about Tweaking Vatniggers about Bakhmut by name is just going to make them more spastic than they already are if Ukraine has to withdraw from the town.
Them I will start sperging about next town 'than will fall soon'.

Is this one of the most pathetic military engagements ever?

Yes.

Yeah you are right the Ukrainians have way more manpower then the Russian Federation.

Manpower isn't a problem in this scale. Both sides lost less than 150k of soldiers. None of them will be considering this as a problem if they wil lost less than aroun 1 million.

Until someone will start using nuke the manpower will not be a issue for none of them.

Also there are no more stupid words than 'if side X have 100k KIA that means the other side has similar losses' - no dude, this is 2023, people get killed by drones, long-range arties, long range rockets at weather, not in fight face-to-face. In some incidents one side have hundreds of KIAs when the other just used HIMARS or one side had dozens fallen soldiers when the other side used GRAD.
 
Yeah you are right the Ukrainians have way more manpower then the Russian Federation. Don't mind me I am just a fucking retard.
ngl despite your persuasive comments I'm still unconvinced that who has the most men of fighting age will be what determines the outcome of this particular war
 
ngl despite your persuasive comments I'm still unconvinced that who has the most men of fighting age will be what determines the outcome of this particular war
Also do to shitty EE statistics we don't know how many people are in ruzzia or Ukraine.

Operated numbers - 140-145 millions for ruzzia, 35-40 millions for Ukraine - are maybye accurate in some point. In both cases we have probably smaller pre-war populations in both countries (I guess around 130 millions for ruzzia, have no bet in case of Ukraine) and we have only estimations how many people in both countries are avaible for military use or even possible to work (both countries have shitty demographics where most of population is on pensions or for other reason aren't working). Exclude migrants and you have more chaos.

Both countries also have pre-war large portion of workers outside country. Ukrainians was working in EU, ruzzians was also migrating in many directions - how many of this people returned when war begun?

And when we got the numbers of KIA/MIA/WIA we must remember that some part of them (unknown) are foreigners - Ukraine has International Legion, ruzzia is using captured niggers from Africa, we don't know size of this units compared to national armies and how many of KIA is taken by them.

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https://twitter.com/georgian_legion/status/1630229549899214849 timelapse of reconstruction one of damaged residental buildings in Kiev.

Funfact1: most big buildings from soviet-era was planned to not collapse after receiving few hits.

Funfact2: but they are vurnelable in case of inner explosions - for example, explosion of kitchen oven gas bottles in closed room. Ok, few bottles will be needed.

So they will survive arties, but not neccesary terrorist attack.
 
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ruzzia is using captured niggers from Africa, we don't know size of this units compared to national armies and how many of KIA
More so the entire wagner group is considered outside russian KIA list for MOD due they are mercs and suppose to be self sufficient and supplyed hence why no one in the world has a mercenary company that are operating tanks and fighter jets. It's kinda strange to say the least
 
They still haven't taken Bakmut? The news about the CULDRON was weeks ago. They're just drone striking random dudes in the middle of far west Ukraine while not taking any ground.

What the fuck is even the objective at this point?
Do you even run your Poast account? I don't understand you went from not having a side, to now being pro Hoholstan Trans right globo homo?

did that 1.25 billion hand out from Janet yellen visiting her home land make it into your crypto wallet? if so understand.
 
Do you even run your Poast account? I don't understand you went from not having a side, to now being pro Hoholstan Trans right globo homo?
He's not pro-ukraine (or at least I don't think so); he's anti-retard. Putin is retarded. The people who think Putin's russia is some sort of tradchristian, anti-globo paradise are also as retarded.
 
what poast statement?

Officially fucking done with fat retards in the US and Western Europe simping for Russia and Japan.

Either go move there or go kill yourself.
 
the poast statement was tarded, and if he can't post it on his own site but poast its over there is it really jersh?

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Where's the lie?
 
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