F.A.Qs about Jail, State Hospital, and Court

[Hopkinsville Goblin]

Yeah, but here's the thing: Chris could have gotten out with time served if he copped to that misdemeanor incest charge. Literally out with the only strings being he maybe couldn't have gone back home, but again, that's the rub, we don't know what the conditions were. Only later on did he start talking about being restricted.

A lawyer is supposed to get the best defense for the person under their charge. Under Heilberg, Chris not only was not only charged with a misdemeanor, but it was wobbled to a felony. Why? Because in Heilberg's infinite wisdom, he believed Chris was insane and pushed for competency tests, which Chris passed with flying colors. As he's done with every other evaluation the previous court's have put him through.

So imagine a big time lawyer, who's got a fairly straight forward case, now bungled to the point where it's a felony, and now that lawyer has to wrangle a tard through a system that doesn't want him. Chris isn't paying Heilberg for this, Chris will never get a bill, but now, nearly every month or so, Heilberg has to sit down and do work to a client that just doesn't care, and he's stuck, because if he recuses himself, in the lawyering world, that means Heilberg failed. So he needs to see this through.

But in the end of the day, some backwoods Virginia tard just played Heilberg for a complete moron.

I think Heilberg still gets paid, just at a low rate, likely equivalent to what a public defender would get. I could be wrong though. Normally he would bill much more, but I think even hotshot lawyers have to take cases like Chris's from time to time. It's just part of being a lawyer.

 

[AnOminous]

Because in Heilberg's infinite wisdom, he believed Chris was insane and pushed for competency tests, which Chris passed with flying colors. As he's done with every other evaluation the previous court's have put him through.

We don't know that either, and certainly not "flying colors." No psychiatrist has ever found him to be anything other than utterly fucked up. Not the Social Security Administration or anyone else either. Not fucked up enough for NGRI, but enough for an autism deferral.

But in the end of the day, some backwoods Virginia tard just played Heilberg for a complete moron.

This is basically volunteer shit. He never had to take this case.

If Chris ends up with anything less than a felony conviction he's basically won because he obviously committed the crime.

 

[Little Pigboy]

If he’s still getting the tugboat (or will have it once he’s out), could it count as “striving for independence”? Maybe with a social worker and/or someone managing the money?

Null had access to his accounts, its how he found out about Chris ripping off Barb so he could play with legos in a hotel room. Almost want to ask if he still could access them to see if Chris had gotten any tugboats after his arrest and if Barb had been spending any of it, but he's washed his hands of the idiot. Fuck, I could see Chris giving Praetor or someone his bank account info so they could send him money for commissary while he's in jail, only to get flat out ripped off.

 

[thegooddoctor]

Chris is too stupid and mired in his own ego to ever fully comprehend how bad he is and how bad things are. Even if he was beaten and raped he would sniffle and chalk it up to suffering because he’s the main character and da trolls are jealous haters. Give up on hoping something will crack his ego and moronic brain. It won’t happen.

I don't think so, If he was given medieval level torture and really shown the extent of how dire his situation is eventually he would crack and never be a bad human ever again. I'm not encouraging It but one day, and I do mean one day his brain will surely short circuit and the reality of his situation will hit him like a fucking bomb. Chris doesn't have the resources to completely block out reality nor is he imaginative enough to come up with an escape method for his fantasy.

Everyone keeps referencing the ending of the 80s movie Brazil to what will happen to him (If you haven't seen it do its a must-see) But you really give Chris’s imagination far too much credit. Chris will eventually realise what his life is like one day and it’ll hit him like a train. It’s going to be awful but totally expected.

 

[A Grey Cat]

I think Heilberg still gets paid, just at a low rate, likely equivalent to what a public defender would get. I could be wrong though. Normally he would bill much more, but I think even hotshot lawyers have to take cases like Chris's from time to time. It's just part of being a lawyer.

Exactly, this is already a shit job taking the case at a lower than normal rate. Add on the fact that's it's Chris mother fucker chan. And can you blame heilburg for dragging this case out almost two years? Make the most of the situation.

 

[King Kiwi]

Exactly, this is already a shit job taking the case at a lower than normal rate. Add on the fact that's it's Chris mother fucker chan. And can you blame heilburg for dragging this case out almost two years? Make the most of the situation.

Pfft! He gets access to all the stuff we want to know about (like the day-to-day life of Chris, where he's at with his God complex, if he's tried to escape via the Shawshank Redemption, stuff like that) and while I feel bad for him I dont feel that bad for someone who cut off the letters and the few things we had to keep up with Tardarino.

 

[AnOminous]

Exactly, this is already a shit job taking the case at a lower than normal rate. Add on the fact that's it's Chris mother fucker chan. And can you blame heilburg for dragging this case out almost two years? Make the most of the situation.

I really doubt Chris is the first or even worst tard Heilberg has ever dealt with. He's a do-gooder who has practiced all kinds of law from actual nationally known cases to churning out shitlaw, while also having a number of positions in the state Bar Association. He's near the end of his career and didn't have to do this if he didn't feel like it.

Lawyers are supposed to do some level of pro bono every year, but the rule is "aspirational," i.e. completely optional. You can be a total greedhead if you feel like it.

 

[Phalanges Mycologist]

Since Chris has to be "striving for independence" at the Gateway home, could they make working on Sonichu his goal?

I think that this is more of a nice marketing tagline, they want to help and do with the ones that can be but they admit that most of them are no hopers, There is a place not far down the road from me that houses cases that are semi-independant that has 10 or so supporeted single bedroom flats that they use as "Try out places" where the support is down to one day a week BUT they have scaled housing going to full on 24/7 medical care and they have a simmilar saying on the sign.

When they ask Chris what job he'll do to support himself, he'll say Sonichu, and he can point to Etsy sales like the $800 Sonic totem or the $4000 Gofundme to prove he makes money off of it. Perhaps his goals towards independence could be things like making 3 Sonichu medallions and 3 Classic Chris and Sonichu amiibos a day+1 Sonichu issue a month. When he's pulling in enough they make him start lookin for an apartment. Basically Null's plan but they'll right there on his ass about it 24/7.

I doubt that, they have focused and training pathways for people like Chris and they don't deviate from them without VERY good cause if anything the problem they would have with Chris is getting him to stop thinking sonichu is viable in anyway shape or form but they have ways to do that, Chris might not be deemed capable of that not physically as you could find him a job any low level it's not worth it to automate it and he could physically do it but there is a HUGE mental component to it.

If so, this could be a Sonichu Renaissance, a Renaissanchu.

Never use that word again.

If he’s still getting the tugboat (or will have it once he’s out), could it count as “striving for independence”? Maybe with a social worker and/or someone managing the money?

“How will you support yourself?”
“I gots gummit money hmmyeah.”

I doubt it, it's a good starting point but thats not enough even in the UK for it to be considerd anything but maintaining a baseline where they don't starve.

Chris is a moron and very resistant to tard wrangling. Heilberg can't really be blamed for that.

He's really odd case, In the place i mentioned above has a number of those cases and I saw quite a few growing up near where I lived and honestly they are the ones that cause problems locally. There is one that's notable that put's me in mind of Chris he was essentially dumped on social services as a 10 year old mute spent a few years in a home of a family member who's now barley verbal think "Yes, No, hands over a card when he can't understand or needs help" everyone thought he was harmless till he wanderd off and got into trouble by trying to play with kids and a rather sub intellectual human being ended up kicking the crap out of him.

The guy is a total innocent unlike Chris really child like and has no creeper history anyone knows about locally but got into trouble just for being him an wanting to play on the swings, while he's less capable than Chris that's the sort of General trouble I can see Chris getting into - especially if he's housed anywhere near his home.

Any wrnger he has is going to have to be really turned on and VERY well aware of Chris's infamy and used to dealing with a hard to wrangle tard.

We don't know that either, and certainly not "flying colors." No psychiatrist has ever found him to be anything other than utterly fucked up. Not the Social Security Administration or anyone else either. Not fucked up enough for NGRI, but enough for an autism deferral.

I honestly can't wait to find out just what's going on in that noggin, He's clearly mentally ill on some level and developmentally impaired in such a weird way.

Exactly, this is already a shit job taking the case at a lower than normal rate. Add on the fact that's it's Chris mother fucker chan. And can you blame heilburg for dragging this case out almost two years? Make the most of the situation.

I really doubt Chris is the first or even worst tard Heilberg has ever dealt with. He's a do-gooder who has practiced all kinds of law from actual nationally known cases to churning out shitlaw, while also having a number of positions in the state Bar Association. He's near the end of his career and didn't have to do this if he didn't feel like it.

Lawyers are supposed to do some level of pro bono every year, but the rule is "aspirational," i.e. completely optional. You can be a total greedhead if you feel like it.

I honestly get the impression that for Heilberg that this is the sort of case he wants to champion i.e. for the mentally ill, clinically retarded etc all get let down by the justice system and he wants to see that they have competent representation.

 

[JanuaryViolet]

I think Heilberg still gets paid, just at a low rate, likely equivalent to what a public defender would get.

This. He's basically making expenses (barely). The state pays public defenders a certain amount. If a client makes more than a certain amount or has assets (this is a very low threshold), my state has them kick in a little money, but it's never more than about $250.00, no matter what the final bill runs. A public defender is the best deal you can get. Most of them are goddam saints, when you see what they put up with from their 'clients'. The ones who stick with it (and aren't looking for an associateship at a firm in private practice), or experienced lawyers who do it voluntarily for a certain number of cases each year - are incredible. Believe me, they could make a lot more in commercial litigation or real estate law; they're in it because they actually care. (powerlevel - courtroom staff, see this daily)

 

[Optimus Prime]

I don't think so, If he was given medieval level torture and really shown the extent of how dire his situation is eventually he would crack and never be a bad human ever again. I'm not encouraging It but one day, and I do mean one day his brain will surely short circuit and the reality of his situation will hit him like a fucking bomb. Chris doesn't have the resources to completely block out reality nor is he imaginative enough to come up with an escape method for his fantasy.

I'm not sure Chris is capable of understanding what he did wrong, because as proven time and again, he doesn't think he's in the wrong. EVER.

He'll bend the knee, sure, but only as long as he thinks necessary to placate whatever he can't simply get around by being his usual asshole self.

 

[King Kiwi]

I really doubt Chris is the first or even worst tard Heilberg has ever dealt with. He's a do-gooder who has practiced all kinds of law from actual nationally known cases to churning out shitlaw, while also having a number of positions in the state Bar Association. He's near the end of his career and didn't have to do this if he didn't feel like it.

Lawyers are supposed to do some level of pro bono every year, but the rule is "aspirational," i.e. completely optional. You can be a total greedhead if you feel like it.

You mean Heilberg wasn't Shanghaied into this abyss of insanity?

He really is a do-gooder if he willingly took on this headache. But I don't know what scares me more: the fact that there are crazier people than Chris or the fact that he's had them.

Which of course could be why he took Chris to begin with.

 

[themarchivist2]

I think it's been long enough where this is worth re-asking, especially if there are any legal experts left on here.

What is the most likely outcome for Chris at this point? Examining what's been going on, where's Chris most likely to end up? When's he most likely to get out, looking at precedent? (I know deferred disposition for Autism is new in Virginia, but I assume there's precedent in other states). How much will his internet access be restricted and for how long, if at all?

 

[Tennis-Ball-Tony]

I think it's been long enough where this is worth re-asking, especially if there are any legal experts left on here.

What is the most likely outcome for Chris at this point? Examining what's been going on, where's Chris most likely to end up? When's he most likely to get out, looking at precedent? (I know deferred disposition for Autism is new in Virginia, but I assume there's precedent in other states). How much will his internet access be restricted and for how long, if at all?

Most likely stuck in the system for maybe a few years as he's bounced around from group home type places after one after the other get sick of him. Either that or he fucks up and gets the felony and sent to prison to spend years in PC. While the courts may not want to just boot him out, there isn't anything in the tard law about them keeping Chris around until he's functional, just that they have to get him in somewhere. If no one wants him, then he sits where he is at Central until whatever time frame expires.

He will be monitored for years however, because if he screws up again, he'll get hauled in, so even if he's out, he'll be meeting with what amounts to a parole officer. He's too high functioning to be thrown into a home for the feeble minded, but then again, if there's nothing else to do with him, and none of the group homes want him, there's very little the courts can do.

Basically Chris is making this 100% harder than it should be, on his lawyer, on himself and on the system. Him being "tired of adulting" is biting him in the ass because he's now Future Chris, the Chris he never put any thought into back when he had more options.

 

[Debbie Macomber]

I really hope this goes to trial because so far Heilberg's been looking for an easy way out

"Uh...incompetent to stand trial! Oh, he is competent. Well, let's run down the clock until they have to let you out! Ha Ha, can't get us now 'cause it's been more than a year! Oh, they upped it to a felony. Well, uh, Autism defense!"

I want Heilberg to get told there's no easy way out, this is just actually going to trial where Chris will plea Not Guilty and you'll just have to fight the case on merit, trying to prove Chris didn't fuck his mom even though there's audio of him bragging he fucked her, and (probably) police interrogation footage of him admitting he fucked her, testimony from Barb that he fucked her, rape kit evidence that he fucked her and used condoms showing he fucked her, all while Chris demands to testify that it wasn't actually incest because his real mother's Emanuel!

 

[Male Idiot]

I find the Renaissanchu very optimistic. Chris couldn't pull off successful merch runs without having to resort to selling Relics of Fail, so I doubt he could do more than 1 crayola fucking model magic abomination per day in a stress-sigh!-ful tard home.

3 medals and 3 amiboos would be way beyond him. Maybe one medal a day, and one amiboo a week, if we don't have another tard chimping out to distract him/fight with him.

Oh my Emperor. I now want his roomate to be Anders, King of Tards.
Chris: Sonichu, zap to the Extreme!
Anders: Zap daddy. Poop daddy!
Chris: Curse ye ha me ha!
Anders: Poop daddy. Wipe daddy! White nigger slave!
Chris: Stress Sigh.

This is the most autistic thing I ever written, but I feel no shame.

 

[King Kiwi]

I think it's been long enough where this is worth re-asking, especially if there are any legal experts left on here.

What is the most likely outcome for Chris at this point?

They'll set him free.

 

[Ophelia]

testimony from Barb that he fucked her,

Barb hasn’t cooperated, as far as we know. Just trying to squelch a rumor before it takes off.

 

[Hepativore]

They'll set him free.

If they do, he is just going to be arrested again for something stupid with the hour of being released.

Most likely stuck in the system for maybe a few years as he's bounced around from group home type places after one after the other get sick of him. Either that or he fucks up and gets the felony and sent to prison to spend years in PC. While the courts may not want to just boot him out, there isn't anything in the tard law about them keeping Chris around until he's functional, just that they have to get him in somewhere. If no one wants him, then he sits where he is at Central until whatever time frame expires.

He will be monitored for years however, because if he screws up again, he'll get hauled in, so even if he's out, he'll be meeting with what amounts to a parole officer. He's too high functioning to be thrown into a home for the feeble minded, but then again, if there's nothing else to do with him, and none of the group homes want him, there's very little the courts can do.

Basically Chris is making this 100% harder than it should be, on his lawyer, on himself and on the system. Him being "tired of adulting" is biting him in the ass because he's now Future Chris, the Chris he never put any thought into back when he had more options.

I do not see Chris being as reliable enough to check in with a parole officer, post-release, and it is highly likely he will just get in trouble again, since he will not be able to go back to his house and I am sure that a lot of places will not want him hanging around, as he will quickly become known as "that guy".

If he was offered a plea deal, it was probably something along the lines of group home or prison...with going to a group home post-sentence and Chris probably refused both options as he sees himself as some sort of martyr.

 

[King Kiwi]

If they do, he is just going to be arrested again for something stupid with the hour of being released.

Oh you don't know that.

He might just stay in jail forever.

 

[Pickle Inspector]

I don't think so, If he was given medieval level torture and really shown the extent of how dire his situation is eventually he would crack and never be a bad human ever again. I'm not encouraging It but one day, and I do mean one day his brain will surely short circuit and the reality of his situation will hit him like a fucking bomb. Chris doesn't have the resources to completely block out reality nor is he imaginative enough to come up with an escape method for his fantasy.

Everyone keeps referencing the ending of the 80s movie Brazil to what will happen to him (If you haven't seen it do its a must-see) But you really give Chris’s imagination far too much credit. Chris will eventually realise what his life is like one day and it’ll hit him like a train. It’s going to be awful but totally expected.

I'm not so sure, mentally Chris seems like an 7 year old who views the world in an egocentric way (With the unfortunate addition of having a sex drive) so when he gets punished I doubt he'll snap and learn any lesson other than he doesn't like the punishment and to not do it again (Or at least make sure not to get caught the next time) but I don't think he'd suddenly gain insight as to why what he did was wrong on a moral level or why people are angry at him or whatever.

I don't think he'll ever take any responsibility for his life, he'll just complain about things he doesn't like that are out of his control like he might get mad he can't go to a convention because he's banned or that it's so unfair a 21 year lesbian doesn't want to date a 40 old Chris despite him declaring he is also 21 and a lesbian.

But mostly I think Chris will probally spend most days sitting in a room playing video games, watching cartoons and playing with toys (While sometimes talking to enablers) like he's always done for 10, 20 or however many years he lives for and he'll not feel too bad about it.