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Today I Learned: Beef has defense chemicals that make you feel shitty after eating it

r/zerocarb - Feel fantastic after steak but get brain fog with ground beef

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[Belegar Ironhammer]

Inshallah this will be rated
This thread (or at least my contributions to it) has largely been focused on food horrors. But today I present @rawcarivore on Instagram, a proponent for raw meat and dairy. He puts out a fair bit of pseudoscience, and is a follower of Aajonus Vonderplanitz.
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SIKE! You get food horrors anyway!
Some slideshows he put up in IG (spoiler'ed for space-saving)

Spoiler: Raw milk slideshow

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Spoiler: Raw V cooked

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I laughed so fucking hard when I saw Eric Bugenhagen mentioned in the first ad. Raw milk: Endorsed by the germanic tribes, some guy who supposedly lived to be 168 years old and the Bugez (absolute beast of a lifter btw).

 

[Squawking Macaw]

Vegans may be crazy but at least their food looks appetizing. Carnivore food is literally just meat/eggs/dairy sprinkled on liquid lard, and all the meat they eat is either pork or beef, why not eat poultry or seafood every once in a while? They are much healthier and there's countless species of edible fish.

 

[teriyakiburns]

Vegans may be crazy but at least their food looks appetizing. Carnivore food is literally just meat/eggs/dairy sprinkled on liquid lard, and all the meat they eat is either pork or beef, why not eat poultry or seafood every once in a while? They are much healthier and there's countless species of edible fish.

I think they get it from people like this:

DoctorKiltz.com | The Fertile Carnivore MD

Doctor Kiltz is a board certified fertility physician who has developed a keen interested and understanding of how nutrition and behavioral changes can optimize fertility and overall wellness

www.doctorkiltz.com

Doctor Kiltz | Keto, Carnivore, Intermittent Fasting, and Wellness Sc…

archived 27 Feb 2023 23:27:53 UTC

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"Doctor Klitz"

Amber O'Hearn - Eat Meat. Not too Little. Mostly Fat.

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Amber O'Hearn - Eat Meat. Not too Little. Mostly Fat.

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Amber O'Hearn

Klitz seems to be firmly on the crazy side of things and is a "nutritionist"-style crank, with an emphasis on carnivore diets and quack cures for everything.

O'Hearn promotes the idea that humans are "lipivores"; that is, we require high levels of dietary fat to keep our brain healthy. She may actually have some backing for this idea (we do need a buttload of fat to maintain our enormous brain and a healthy, lean human carries far more body fat than any of the great apes), but she immediately takes it to an extreme level. Where she differs from a lot of "carnivores" and "lion diet" people is that she goes to great pains to emphasise that, if you're going to eat a "carnivore" diet, you need to be eating all different parts of the animal and not just muscle. Otherwise she's a run-of-the-mill carnivore sort. She thinks any sort of seasoning is bad, other than a small amount of salt.

Her FAQ (a) (last question) also helpfully lists a bunch of additional carnivore websites.

@Corporate Gigachad You might want to add these two to the OP.

 

[Ayana Otonashi]

This can only end in at least one incident of a heart attack

 

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I think they get it from people like this:

DoctorKiltz.com | The Fertile Carnivore MD

Doctor Kiltz is a board certified fertility physician who has developed a keen interested and understanding of how nutrition and behavioral changes can optimize fertility and overall wellness

www.doctorkiltz.com

Doctor Kiltz | Keto, Carnivore, Intermittent Fasting, and Wellness Sc…

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"Doctor Klitz"

Amber O'Hearn - Eat Meat. Not too Little. Mostly Fat.

www.mostly-fat.com

Amber O'Hearn - Eat Meat. Not too Little. Mostly Fat.

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Amber O'Hearn

Klitz seems to be firmly on the crazy side of things and is a "nutritionist"-style crank, with an emphasis on carnivore diets and quack cures for everything.

O'Hearn promotes the idea that humans are "lipivores"; that is, we require high levels of dietary fat to keep our brain healthy. She may actually have some backing for this idea (we do need a buttload of fat to maintain our enormous brain and a healthy, lean human carries far more body fat than any of the great apes), but she immediately takes it to an extreme level. Where she differs from a lot of "carnivores" and "lion diet" people is that she goes to great pains to emphasise that, if you're going to eat a "carnivore" diet, you need to be eating all different parts of the animal and not just muscle. Otherwise she's a run-of-the-mill carnivore sort. She thinks any sort of seasoning is bad, other than a small amount of salt.

Her FAQ (a) (last question) also helpfully lists a bunch of additional carnivore websites.

@Corporate Gigachad You might want to add these two to the OP.

Noted with thanks! In the meantime, the merch shop's offerings seem about as diverse as the diet

Meanwhile, I'd actually heard of Kiltz before, but wasnt able to track him down. Some tiktok doctor was roasting him in a video i'd watched before writing this thread and when i scrolled down in the page, i immediately recognized the face.

 

[Return of the Freaker]

Testicles, coming from what I heard from my relatives, also taste like piss.

Pee really is stored in the balls

 

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Some absolutely medieval takes on food safety and germ theory here

 

[JelloJerk]

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Some absolutely medieval takes on food safety and germ theory here
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Get this man a kombucha or a cup of greek yoghurt and have it be done with it.

 

[Justwandering02]

Vegans may be crazy but at least their food looks appetizing. Carnivore food is literally just meat/eggs/dairy sprinkled on liquid lard, and all the meat they eat is either pork or beef, why not eat poultry or seafood every once in a while? They are much healthier and there's countless species of edible fish.

yeah I saw some dude on facebook who did some mock meat with mushroom and seitan it did look edible and even tasty. Those ''carnivor'' butter cracker make my artery clog just by looking at those

 

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lung issues ? : carnivore

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Some more medieval takes on health here. Let's see what the comments have to say.


In principle I agree with this statement. The trouble is, we don't seem to agree what a "proper human diet" entails.
Also, a diet might help prevent health problems, but there's only so much it can do to cure them, in the same way learning how to swim might prevent drowning, but if you are drowning, you'll need a lifeguard instead.


Other than perhaps access to some of his favorite foods, healthy LDL levels, healthy eating patterns and so on.
On a completely separate note, "Try it. He has nothing to lose." is an equally strong argument to go vegan.

Just because something's essential for you doesnt mean you immediately have to take in an extreme quantity of it.
Glucose is essential to brain function. I can get glucose from the starches in grains. I will be beginning my carbovore diet where I eat nothing but bread.
And even if you needed an extreme quantity, you could just get it from coconut oil or something.

 

[teriyakiburns]

Some absolutely medieval takes on food safety and germ theory here

Oh god, they've finally heard of gut flora management and are cargo-culting themselves into death by food poisoning.

 

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Oh god, they've finally heard of gut flora management and are cargo-culting themselves into death by food poisoning.

No my friend, this is why carnivore is great for weight loss. If you cultivate a 10 meter tapeworm in your intestines, you can eat anything and it'll absorb so much nutrients that you won't gain weight!

 

[Goth Pierrot]

Have any of these carnivore people claimed that the diet cures cancer or anything like that? It seems like something they would definitely claim

 

[Invincible Wheel]

Why do these naturalistic diet people advocate for diets that wouldn't be possible in the hunter gatherer era? Do they think there were fucking cavemen out there who were like

"Ey man, don't eat that fruit! They're not poisonous, but they are EMPTY CALORIES that you could replace with NUTRIENTS and TESTOSTERONE, those berries are KILLING YOUR GAINS!"

 

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lung issues ? : carnivore

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In principle I agree with this statement. The trouble is, we don't seem to agree what a "proper human diet" entails.

I also agree with this, and I'll go a step beyond and say that the friend might actually benefit from eating more ORGAN meat. Not muscle, not meatloaf. Organ meat. Just add some in to his diet.

No my friend, this is why carnivore is great for weight loss. If you cultivate a 10 meter tapeworm in your intestines, you can eat anything and it'll absorb so much nutrients that you won't gain weight!

This just unlocked a buried memory of a manga called Petshop of Horrors that has a chapter involving a model who does this but the thing she eats ends up being a body-snatcher.

 

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Have any of these carnivore people claimed that the diet cures cancer or anything like that? It seems like something they would definitely claim

Welllll theres plenty of talk about it curing autoimmune conditions, mikhaila peterson mentions it cured her arthritis (rheumatoid if im not wrong) and some redditor i screenshotted and featured in the op thought itd cure adhd. It's probably just a matter of time till you find someone asking about carnivore for cancer

I also agree with this, and I'll go a step beyond and say that the friend might actually benefit from eating more ORGAN meat. Not muscle, not meatloaf. Organ meat. Just add some in to his diet.

I'm something of a proponent for eating organ meats myself. Why not extract maximum value from an animal you've killed? They've got nutrients and they taste alright if you know what youre doing, and theyre generally cheaper than muscle.

Trouble is with carnivores nose-to-tail seems optional, its just "eat meat, get healed" with them

 

[Monuklear]

A lot of the stuff documented in this thread could be diagnosed as a genuine eating disorder.

 

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A lot of the stuff documented in this thread could be diagnosed as a genuine eating disorder.

I was thinking either Orthorexia or a certain subset of OCD, but id never heard of that one

Orthorexia nervosa - Wikipedia

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[Monuklear]

I was thinking either Orthorexia or a certain subset of OCD, but id never heard of that one

Orthorexia nervosa - Wikipedia

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Oh, and I never heard of this Orthorexia Nervosa thing. It actually fits this stuff even better. Just combine it with extremely schizo and stupid ideas of what "healthy food" means.