Disney Adults / Disneymania

[beef lo mein]

OT but Song of the South uproar is all kinds of weird. People who get worked up over it are weirder, and also kind of stupid, IMO. Apart from Uncle Remus, who is essentially a kindly father figure to a lonely white kid in the Reconstruction era South—and whose actor was actually given a special Oscar for his performance in the film, way to erase that achievement!—the characters of Br’er Rabbit, Br’er Bear and Br’er Fox or Preacher Fox are all actual, for real African folklore. Rabbit is one of many archetypal trickster figures, and his adventures are a lot of fun, whether you like to read folklore, are into history, or are, you know, a kid.

Although the stories were collected and published by a white man, it’s a real reach to see any of this as a horrific, racist, white supremacist negative unless you’re a hyper woke dummy. Disney are assholes, don’t get me wrong, but this meant that in 1940’s America, a time when one could say that the US genuinely did have problems with racism, Walt (that nazi!) thought that making a movie which essentially boosted a minority group’s folk stories was a good idea. Or that showing an old black man could, possibly, be a friend to a little white kid was nothing to get worked up about.

Now we can’t have that because reasons, of course. Luckily no one else really gives a shit and good bootlegs of the film are plentiful. TBH I think the focus on ‘princess’ rides is a bit much, but who are we to stop progress?

 

[NoReturn]

Anyone wanna spend $120 on a plastic bag?


Vidyos

Nostalgia, comfort, and safety. Same usual horseshit as any other adult who engages almost exclusively with cartoons.

Children's cartoons/disneyproduct are not challenging media. You know right away who the good and bad guys are. You don't need to think about themes or motivation because it's usually made obvious. It's uplifting, familiar, and it feels like childhood. Times are tough, people regress.

There's also the HBO-ificiation of most live-action shit. Everything has to be dark and gritty and ugly.
"It's realistic" they say, shitting out another season of Euphoria.
"It's mature and adult!" they cry, watching another rape scene.
"This is what real life is like!" they proclaim from their couches as another character is graphically disembowled.

 

[Montalbane]

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There's also the HBO-ificiation of most live-action shit. Everything has to be dark and gritty and ugly.
"It's realistic" they say, shitting out another season of Euphoria.
"It's mature and adult!" they cry, watching another rape scene.
"This is what real life is like!" they proclaim from their couches as another character is graphically disembowled.

Eternal manchildren looked at the sopranos and thought that the swearing and violence is what made the series great and "adult".

 

[std::string]

I don't think they do either. Imo the last hope they have for sustaining with zoomers is their Marvel capeshit and Star Wars stuff, but the mouse definitely doesn't have enough w rizz. Maybe this is the generation that finally deals them a blow.

They've been trying with the Mickey Mouse shorts but they haven't hit on anything yet. Aside from Bluey, which they didn't make but have the distribution rights to.

I think they're stuck where they realize they need to make transgressive media to lure in Gen Z but also they can't be too transgressive with their IP 'cause it will piss off the nostalgia crowd.

 

[NoReturn]

They've been trying with the Mickey Mouse shorts but they haven't hit on anything yet. Aside from Bluey, which they didn't make but have the distribution rights to.

I think they're stuck where they realize they need to make transgressive media to lure in Gen Z but also they can't be too transgressive with their IP 'cause it will piss off the nostalgia crowd.

I don't know if it's "transgressive" so much as what Montal says here:

Eternal manchildren looked at the sopranos and thought that the swearing and violence is what made the series great and "adult".

and Disney hasn't figured it out yet.

 

[870EVO]

OT but Song of the South uproar is all kinds of weird. People who get worked up over it are weirder, and also kind of stupid, IMO. Apart from Uncle Remus, who is essentially a kindly father figure to a lonely white kid in the Reconstruction era South—and whose actor was actually given a special Oscar for his performance in the film, way to erase that achievement!—the characters of Br’er Rabbit, Br’er Bear and Br’er Fox or Preacher Fox are all actual, for real African folklore. Rabbit is one of many archetypal trickster figures, and his adventures are a lot of fun, whether you like to read folklore, are into history, or are, you know, a kid.

Although the stories were collected and published by a white man, it’s a real reach to see any of this as a horrific, racist, white supremacist negative unless you’re a hyper woke dummy. Disney are assholes, don’t get me wrong, but this meant that in 1940’s America, a time when one could say that the US genuinely did have problems with racism, Walt (that nazi!) thought that making a movie which essentially boosted a minority group’s folk stories was a good idea. Or that showing an old black man could, possibly, be a friend to a little white kid was nothing to get worked up about.

Now we can’t have that because reasons, of course. Luckily no one else really gives a shit and good bootlegs of the film are plentiful. TBH I think the focus on ‘princess’ rides is a bit much, but who are we to stop progress?

I don't think theres any progress. It's all a veneer. When they feel personally threatened, then the mask comes off. And you find they are still the same type of Democrats that supported the KKK.

 

[Creep3r]

good thought. i don't know of many zoomers that are into disney stuff. they seem to like minions like you said and spongebob, but not much from modern disney. when millenials hopefully age out of nostalgia trips or just die off disney may be fucked.

I would say a fair few are, but it's not like it used to be. People want edgy, less sanitized content? Why do you think anime exploded over the last decade? Disney is always gonna be there, have fans, have its cruise ships and parks, but it's going to shrink, with its corporate practices laid bare and looked at like kid shit.

I guess Universal's adaptation of Mortal Engines was justified in replacing the ancient idols of Mickey and Pluto with the Minions then.

 

[beef lo mein]

I don't think theres any progress. It's all a veneer. When they feel personally threatened, then the mask comes off. And you find they are still the same type of Democrats that supported the KKK.

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It’s all virtue signaling, for sure. I have a feeling there aren’t too many black people living in Golden Oak, either. And there won’t be in that newest Disney planned community they’re building in the Coachella Valley, the one where they think it’s a great idea to build a massive oasis. In the middle of the desert. Which was already beautiful and didn’t need some corpo dummies to fuck it up, but that’s another story. It’s called Cotino, by the way, and thankfully a lot of locals are rightfully pissed off about it. Even though most people living in Rancho Mirage are rich whiteys living on other country clubs, I think the oasis has them pretty fired up.

Back to the black people/Golden Oak and Cotino, I’m sure—rich white people are always the biggest proponents of NIMBYism.

 

[toilet_rainbow]

(The Farms crapped out while I was typing this, so forgive for slightly late.)

I like her because she has a job. The whole thing about being poor around wealthy people, and even being friends with people with more money than you, was really relatable. It's a shame they market her primarily as the "black princess" instead of the "Working class princess".

Tiana is a sweetheart and has great work ethic. I mostly see her included as an afterthought in the Disney Princess stuff I've seen online or people complain about how racist Princess and the Frog is because she spends most of the movie in her frog form.

The what now? I saw the thing for the ride itself, but is there something new?

I probably should've used the term "design" for the ride itself. Sneeding and headaches aren't a good combination, lol

Why not to-day? I wanna learn.
And let me tell you, as a non-Southerner you guys aren't imagining it. Growing up I knew southern culture was a thing, but I knew nothing about it beyond the stereotype that southerners are uneducated.

@Privilege Power Hour made a great contribution to explain a part of it. It's complicated and probably deserves a Deep Thoughts thread in itself (if it doesn't exist already; I seldom visit Thunderdome).

Some additional thoughts:

I believe that an aftereffect of the Civil Rights Movement and the current events such as the Floyd riots are that they heavily impact how Southern culture is digested, rejected, and erased by Americans as a whole. As ugly as they are, slavery and post Civil War Reconstruction eras did impact our economy, race relations, social status, etc, for a very long time. You have to be aware of that to really "get" the context of things like Confederate statues or wtf's really going on in Gone with the Wind.

There was this anthology of fairy tales, tall tales, and folklore that I adored as a child. My mother refused to read us the Tar Baby story in it because "tar baby" is now considered a slur. Rumplestiltskin tearing himself apart in a rage? John Henry working himself to death? Little match girls freezing to death? All good! But not Uncle Remus, despite that Br'er Rabbit himself can easily be coded as black and was inspired by a mix of trickster figures in African and Native American lore. Hell, Br'er Rabbit was clever and managed to escape the tar baby and Br'er Fox. Br'er Fox thought that Br'er Rabbit was a tard and easy to snatch. On the contrary! But all people seem to see in that tale is "black bad" and "black stupid." They're ironically being more racist than the actual tale! My mother is a late boomer, for context. So something happened between her time and mine for this story to be controversial. Given that my grandmother supported George Wallace, I think it had to do with the Civil Rights Movement.

(Hmm, slight OT but I wonder how many fans of Orange Bird are aware of who Anita Bryant is. Especially the very gay ones.)

Something I wonder is if Disney is mortgaging it’s future. I’ve noticed that kids have started gravitating more towards universal parks. Minions is surprisingly popular amongst younger kids and there isn’t a Disney equivalent. Plus most of the notable shows they like are not produced by Disney, even if Disney distributes them. If I was a Disney stockholder I’d be concerned about the company’s health after many of these Disney adults start retiring and dying off. I’m not convinced that Disney has the stranglehold on children, ie future adults, like it did previously. I feel like they’re focusing on Disney adults over their previous core audiences.

If Disney is to survive, they need to get edgy, cool again. I'm a zoomer, and I still hear Tron talked about, especially legacy. It wasn't just a good disney movie, but a good movie. They've done basically nothing with the IP since they got star wars. And how about some 2D movies? Return to tradition and all that. They've expiremented with anime with Star Wars Visions, and it was fairly well received. Give us a feature film that's anime using one of their IT'S, it'd be nuts.

Someone else mentioned Bluey, but Disney only distributes it. I'd debate similar with Marvel, despite it actually being owned by Disney. I'm struggling to think of Disney's actual, original properties that are super popular with children. All the children I know or see at work are wearing Paw Patrol, Minions, or Pokemon stuff. Sometimes Bluey, but only the very small ones. Closest I can think of is Frozen, and even that is a decade old. Encanto is popular... with the adult crowd.

OT but Song of the South uproar is all kinds of weird. People who get worked up over it are weirder, and also kind of stupid, IMO. Apart from Uncle Remus, who is essentially a kindly father figure to a lonely white kid in the Reconstruction era South—and whose actor was actually given a special Oscar for his performance in the film, way to erase that achievement!—the characters of Br’er Rabbit, Br’er Bear and Br’er Fox or Preacher Fox are all actual, for real African folklore. Rabbit is one of many archetypal trickster figures, and his adventures are a lot of fun, whether you like to read folklore, are into history, or are, you know, a kid.

Although the stories were collected and published by a white man, it’s a real reach to see any of this as a horrific, racist, white supremacist negative unless you’re a hyper woke dummy. Disney are assholes, don’t get me wrong, but this meant that in 1940’s America, a time when one could say that the US genuinely did have problems with racism, Walt (that nazi!) thought that making a movie which essentially boosted a minority group’s folk stories was a good idea. Or that showing an old black man could, possibly, be a friend to a little white kid was nothing to get worked up about.

Now we can’t have that because reasons, of course. Luckily no one else really gives a shit and good bootlegs of the film are plentiful. TBH I think the focus on ‘princess’ rides is a bit much, but who are we to stop progress?

I've seen people shit on Uncle Remus himself for merely being a jolly fellow. Like they are butthurt that they can't tell if Uncle Remus is currently a slave or a sharecropper, and that he's not miserable and wanting to escape at the first opportunity instead of singing and telling stories to little white children. Heaven forbid that someone to not be a miserable fuck 24/7.

"Zip a Dee Doo Dah" recently got removed from one of Disney's parades for being racist. Nevermind that not only did Disney love to use it in other properties of theirs, but it's also a joyful song. It's hard to feel like crap for a couple minutes while hearing it. Happy bad. Got it.

 

[NoReturn]

Can't quote directly, @toilet_rainbow so I'll do this:

@Privilege Power Hour made a great contribution to explain a part of it. It's complicated and probably deserves a Deep Thoughts thread in itself (if it doesn't exist already; I seldom visit Thunderdome).

If you start it, I'll visit.

There was this anthology of fairy tales, tall tales, and folklore that I adored as a child.

I had a similar anthology but it was on cassette tape and I've never been able to find it again. The stories were so varied and there was no theme behind them beyond "fairy tales from around the world."

But not Uncle Remus, despite that Br'er Rabbit himself can easily be coded as black and was inspired by a mix of trickster figures in African and Native American lore. Hell, Br'er Rabbit was clever and managed to escape the tar baby and Br'er Fox. Br'er Fox thought that Br'er Rabbit was a tard and easy to snatch. On the contrary! But all people seem to see in that tale is "black bad" and "black stupid." They're ironically being more racist than the actual tale!

I THOUGHT HE WAS! I thought that was explicit! I thought that was the point of the story.

 

[beef lo mein]

Can't quote directly, @toilet_rainbow so I'll do this:


If you start it, I'll visit.


I had a similar anthology but it was on cassette tape and I've never been able to find it again. The stories were so varied and there was no theme behind them beyond "fairy tales from around the world."


I THOUGHT HE WAS! I thought that was explicit! I thought that was the point of the story.

Br’er Rabbit is Cunnie Rabbit in some African traditions, I believe Bantu. There is also a lot of Gullah storytelling in there.

 

[LinkinParkxNaruto[AMV]]

when millenials hopefully age out of nostalgia trips or just die off disney may be fucked.

I am a millenial and Disney was the most iconic "uncool" thing you could think off for me back in the 00s. For real.

Seeing people my age sperging about Disney Channel shows has been weird, those were the fags that would get beat on for havig cringe taste when we were growing up. I have the feeling a lot of Disney adults were not Disney kids, they just kinda regressed mentally when they were a certain age and started falling into the algorithm fed SOMA and consuming dumbed down and more sanitized media as time passed and they were more and more influenced by social media.

A guy i know is now super into legos and is looks like a soyboy meme but i grew up with him. He never liked any of the nintendie stuff, he was into death metal and skating like all of us were but he fell for the "nerd culture" meme when he was in his 20s. Now he wears graphic t's with pop culture references and is playing all the shitty games zoomers play , is really cringe.

 

[Myrtle the Turtle]

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What are these "perks" you might ask?
Photo ops with sweaty theatre majors in fursuits.

Oh ya, since my family is obsessed they have this card. I've seen it in all its variations. In terms of pragmatic credit cards its one of the worst ones IMO because it only benefits you if you got Disney-mania. You can finance your Disney trip with 0% interest for 6 months. (There are better cards that give you 12 month promo 0% financing on anything.) You spend money on random shit and it adds up in credits in the form of Disney dining options so your meals in the park can be free if you earn enough points. The photopass character is a lame benefit worth $100 tops. About as useless as a retail credit card.

Chase offers so many better cards, Like Sapphire Preferred or Reserve with flight and travel perks.

 

[Slideshow Bill]

OT but Song of the South uproar is all kinds of weird. People who get worked up over it are weirder, and also kind of stupid, IMO. Apart from Uncle Remus, who is essentially a kindly father figure to a lonely white kid in the Reconstruction era South—and whose actor was actually given a special Oscar for his performance in the film, way to erase that achievement!—the characters of Br’er Rabbit, Br’er Bear and Br’er Fox or Preacher Fox are all actual, for real African folklore. Rabbit is one of many archetypal trickster figures, and his adventures are a lot of fun, whether you like to read folklore, are into history, or are, you know, a kid.

Although the stories were collected and published by a white man, it’s a real reach to see any of this as a horrific, racist, white supremacist negative unless you’re a hyper woke dummy. Disney are assholes, don’t get me wrong, but this meant that in 1940’s America, a time when one could say that the US genuinely did have problems with racism, Walt (that nazi!) thought that making a movie which essentially boosted a minority group’s folk stories was a good idea. Or that showing an old black man could, possibly, be a friend to a little white kid was nothing to get worked up about.

Now we can’t have that because reasons, of course. Luckily no one else really gives a shit and good bootlegs of the film are plentiful. TBH I think the focus on ‘princess’ rides is a bit much, but who are we to stop progress?

Southern US culture is interesting. It's united, it's divided, it's messy and awkward with a dark and violent past but everything seems to find its harmony in the grasslands and swamps. Northern (and Western) US culture is pretty isolated and definitely more de facto segregated. Northerners don't understand the South and many of them don't want to and would rather pretend that all of America's darkness is in the South and pretend that it doesn't exist anywhere else in the country.

@toilet_rainbow

Tiana is a sweetheart and has great work ethic. I mostly see her included as an afterthought in the Disney Princess stuff I've seen online or people complain about how racist Princess and the Frog is because she spends most of the movie in her frog form.

PatF feels like an afterthought movie tbh and Tiana being a frog for most of it kind of confirms it for me. When I watched it, I thought it was fine and I liked the jazzy soundtrack but the "let's talk about racism but not in the way that makes middle America uncomfortable" was bad and should have been scrapped. It was bad in Pocahontas too. Lindsey Ellis is a hack but she was 100% right about Moana being a soft reboot of Pocahontas but after I watched PatF I swear I could hear a voice that said "We gathered the scraps of our dying 2D department to make this so here's your princess, negroes, quit your bitching about it."

 

[GenociderSyo]

Least it wasn't as forced as Matthias in Frozen 2. We need diversity! Let's shove some random black man into power in 1840s Norway.

Also, now i'm reminded of the twitter campaign to make Elsa gay.

 

[ASeabear8952]

Its crazy to me how food that was given to slaves by the masters is somehow used as evidence that the slaves invented it. I remember watching this really awful Disney Adult troon video essay just seething at Splash Moutain. There was one part where he talks about the ride queue seethes how the music there has instrumentals of "RACIST MINSTRAL MUSIC" when the songs are classics like My Old Kentucky Home, Dixie, Swanee River, and "zip coon" (zip coon is just alternate lyrics to the turkey in the straw tune which has dozens of lyrical variations some racist some not). "Splash Mountain his differently when you realize Florida's state song is a racist minstrel tune" fuck off yankee.

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[XYZpdq Jr.]

I THOUGHT HE WAS! I thought that was explicit! I thought that was the point of the story.

yeah mostly the point of those stories is that you can use your wits to get away from those who want to capture and oppress you

 

[Chub Rub]

If Disney is to survive, they need to get edgy, cool again. I'm a zoomer, and I still hear Tron talked about, especially legacy. It wasn't just a good disney movie, but a good movie.

Hopefully the new Tron roller coaster will spark more interest in Tron, and they'll actually make more content to go along with it.

 

[XYZpdq Jr.]

Hopefully the new Tron roller coaster will spark more interest in Tron, and they'll actually make more content to go along with it.

iirc Tron 3 has been on the back burner about a long as this version of a Troncoaster
tbh I figured the two were in sort of a symbiotic thing both hustling management that each needed to keep going because of the other

 

[toilet_rainbow]

Oh ya, since my family is obsessed they have this card. I've seen it in all its variations. In terms of pragmatic credit cards its one of the worst ones IMO because it only benefits you if you got Disney-mania. You can finance your Disney trip with 0% interest for 6 months. (There are better cards that give you 12 month promo 0% financing on anything.) You spend money on random shit and it adds up in credits in the form of Disney dining options so your meals in the park can be free if you earn enough points. The photopass character is a lame benefit worth $100 tops. About as useless as a retail credit card.

Chase offers so many better cards, Like Sapphire Preferred or Reserve with flight and travel perks.

They could absolutely get a better card, even from Chase itself as you mentioned. However, as you have seen, the people getting this card are just seeing "finance my Disney trip with a card that has Mickey on it" and applying. They're not exactly the audience to think of how to maximize credit card rewards. They want their Didney Worl vacation and they want it now. I've only seen customers use this card being used a handful of times and it's always soccer moms charging it.

You also just made me flashback to when a huge portion of Swagbucks members were Disneybounders. They'd spend day in and day out earning chump change so that they could eventually earn money toward an expensive as fuck park trip. For a $5 Amazon gift card every now and then, okay. But there are full blown webpages instructing people how to use Swagbucks to fund their vacation along with credit cards. Fuck. I think you may have better odds winning enough tickets for the expensive toys at Chuck E Cheese. Or y'know, getting an actual job.

Southern US culture is interesting. It's united, it's divided, it's messy and awkward with a dark and violent past but everything seems to find its harmony in the grasslands and swamps. Northern (and Western) US culture is pretty isolated and definitely more de facto segregated. Northerners don't understand the South and many of them don't want to and would rather pretend that all of America's darkness is in the South and pretend that it doesn't exist anywhere else in the country.

@toilet_rainbow

PatF feels like an afterthought movie tbh and Tiana being a frog for most of it kind of confirms it for me. When I watched it, I thought it was fine and I liked the jazzy soundtrack but the "let's talk about racism but not in the way that makes middle America uncomfortable" was bad and should have been scrapped. It was bad in Pocahontas too. Lindsey Ellis is a hack but she was 100% right about Moana being a soft reboot of Pocahontas but after I watched PatF I swear I could hear a voice that said "We gathered the scraps of our dying 2D department to make this so here's your princess, negroes, quit your bitching about it."

Spoiler: only because it's getting off topic

Indeed, the south is often used as a scapegoat in race relations when the other regions were and are no better. The north may have freed slaves earlier, but freedmen weren't exactly treated well either. And don't forget how Asians were treated in the west, or Native Americans across the entire continent. Perhaps part of that is that the south did rebel like an angry teen, secede, and get its ass kicked before rejoining the union. Always easier to blame the losers for all the ills of society, even if all were to blame. That mockumentary CSA: Confederate States of America wasn't perfect, but it was an interesting thought exercise all the same. As long as that scapegoating and refusal to self reflect continue, race relations are never going to improve.

Princess and the Frog itself also has that feeling to me. It was fine enough as a movie, and I like Tiana and Facilier a lot as characters. It simply felt like it was missing something. Moana did, too. I had merely dismissed it as me getting older or Disney movies just getting duller, so wasn't sure if it was just me or what. It plays too safe, I suppose.

Also, now i'm reminded of the twitter campaign to make Elsa gay.

Here's the funny thing. Elsa befriends a native girl in Frozen II. It's not a romantic relationship, but it's easy enough to see it as one if you wished. Were the Frozen fans that campaigned for Elsa to have a girlfriend in the sequel content? Fuck no! Many of them were pissed because their beloved Elsa/Anna ship was derailed between this new friend and Elsa ditching everything at the end to become a goddess like figure.

Yeah. For those that don't know, a lot of people in the Frozen fandom ship Elsa and Anna, much like how early Supernatural fans were really into Wincest. And yes, they're just as crazy as you think. A couple of my personal lolcows were so butthurt at Frozen 2 splitting up their girls that the idea of Frozen 3 makes them seethe.