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[Forest Portal Triumph 747]

It just hit me that the perfect concise description of Ron DeSantis is "right-wing Obama".

As in, a pseudo-populist that will say and promise all the right things right up until they're sworn in, only to be yet another cog of the establishment machine.

Say what you will about Obama possibly being on the down low, but he had a powerful speaking voice that didn't sound gay and he wasn't a manlet. That's why I'm unsure of the notion that DeSantis would be stronger than Trump against whoever the 2024 D nominee is. On the debate stage against Gillum in 2018 and on the debate stage against Crist in 2022, DeSantis came off like a scared kid. Ted Cruz was definitely a much better debater by a light year. I could see DeSantis coming off too robotic and palpably malfunctioning like Rubio did once he's forced to be on the national spotlight on a *daily* basis.

 

[LurkTrawl]

Say what you will about Obama possibly being on the down low, but he had a powerful speaking voice that didn't sound gay and he wasn't a manlet. That's why I'm unsure of the notion that DeSantis would be stronger than Trump against whoever the 2024 D nominee is. On the debate stage against Gillum in 2018 and on the debate stage against Crist in 2022, DeSantis came off like a scared kid. Ted Cruz was definitely a much better debater by a light year. I could see DeSantis coming off too robotic and palpably malfunctioning like Rubio did once he's forced to be on the national spotlight on a *daily* basis.

Oh he'd be "stronger than Trump" in the sense that he's the nigger they want to pass the baton to for the next act. To be absolutely clear I'm saying they'll rig it for R to throw Biden out, and have a republican scapegoat on top of having the right demoralized and clowned on the way the left was with/after Obama. If he manages to "win" the presidential republican primary, legitimately or otherwise.

He's always weaker than Trump in the sense that if any layman considers him a viable candidate they would do well to remember he's just another cog. Again, like Obama was to the left in his day. The hydra has more than one head but they all end in the same asshole.

 

[Puff]

Say what you will about Obama possibly being on the down low, but he had a powerful speaking voice that didn't sound gay and he wasn't a manlet.

And that's it. That's all he had (also being a nigger). Dems have had jack shit for a very long time and republicans even less (sometimes).

 

[ForTheHoard]

Barney Frank is trending on Twitter today. He's saying that the feds are attacking Signature Bank not because of insolvency, but because they're one of the last crypto-friendly banks standing after the last couple months.


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[Forest Portal Triumph 747]

Oh he'd be "stronger than Trump" in the sense that he's the nigger they want to pass the baton to for the next act. To be absolutely clear I'm saying they'll rig it for R to throw Biden out, and have a republican scapegoat on top of having the right demoralized and clowned on the way the left was with/after Obama.

He's always weaker than Trump in the sense that if any layman considers him a viable candidate they would do well to remember he's just another cog. Again, like Obama was to the left in his day. The hydra has more than one head but they all end in the same asshole.

they'd rather rig it for an establishment Democrat even if they're up against an establishment Republican. They want to pretend that D policies are popular in order to manipulate establishment R's to cuck even further. In fact, one of the main reasons they shill so hard against the idea that 2020 and 2022 were rife with fraud is because it undermines the idea that "Democrat policies are reasonable and popular no matter how low Biden's approval is, which means that the Republicans just have an extreme MAGA problem (as opposed to a problem with their elections getting stolen) and should go back to the Party of McCain and Romney (or even cuckier) to have a chance at winning."

Unfortunately, some faggot righties actually buy into that idea.

edit: the only scenario in which I can see the powers that be committing mass fraud for the Republican candidate is if the Democrat crosses the line on issues like threatening the $ of the banks, military industrial complex, and big business, siding too much with the latter in Israel v Palestine.

 

[LurkTrawl]

they'd rather rig it for an establishment Democrat even if they're up against an establishment Republican. They want to pretend that D policies are popular in order to manipulate establishment R's to cuck even further. In fact, one of the main reasons they shill so hard against the idea that 2020 and 2022 were rife with fraud is because it undermines the idea that "Democrat policies are reasonable and popular no matter how low Biden's approval is, which means that the Republicans just have an extreme MAGA problem (as opposed to a problem with their elections getting stolen) and should go back to the Party of McCain and Romney (or even cuckier) to have a chance at winning."

Unfortunately, some faggot righties actually buy into that idea.

Consider that, if a cog is a cog R or D, they're rigging elections, Biden needs to be thrown overboard due to his appalling lack of support, the lefties are now starting to scratch their heads at the democrat party and thus need a distraction on the level of Trump, the electoral system is accruing more doubt by the day, and they need a breather to scout out someone to be a D presidential candidate that isn't a charisma fucking black hole...

Then having Ron take over from Biden would be a slam fucking dunk of a W. It'd accomplish all of that and more. This logic in your post assumes these party affiliations matter, that the electorate's opinions matter... both are false.

 

[draggs]

Barney Frank is trending on Twitter today. He's saying that the feds are attacking Signature Bank not because of insolvency, but because they're one of the last crypto-friendly banks standing after the last couple months.
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Surely Barney could produce the records showing Signature Bank did not deserve this then

 

[Forest Portal Triumph 747]

Consider that, if a cog is a cog R or D, they're rigging elections, Biden needs to be thrown overboard due to his appalling lack of support, the lefties are now starting to scratch their heads at the democrat party and thus need a distraction on the level of Trump, the electoral system is accruing more doubt by the day, and they need a breather to scout out someone to be a D presidential candidate that isn't a charisma fucking black hole...

Then having Ron take over from Biden would be a slam fucking dunk of a W. It'd accomplish all of that and more. This logic in your post assumes these party affiliations matter, that the electorate's opinions matter... both are false.

if Chomo Joe is too much of a liability for them, they'd just orchestrate Gretchen Whitmer or Gavin Newsome or someone like that to be the nominee. Kamala can at least also string together sentences even if she has less appeal.

Establishment Republican Presidential candidates are always meant to be the designated graceful loser to the Democrat. I don't think the hardcore leftists are going to be a real issue as long as they figure they can come up with enough mail in ballots to compensate for those who stay at home or vote Green. I'd be very surprised if they ever commit mass fraud for the establishment Republican unless it's someone like Dan Crenshaw vs Ilhan Omar.

 

[Shadfan666xxx000]

if Chomo Joe is too much of a liability for them, they'd just orchestrate Gretchen Whitmer or Gavin Newsome or someone like that to be the nominee. Kamala can at least also string together sentences even if she has less appeal.

Establishment Republican Presidential candidates are always meant to be the designated graceful loser to the Democrat. I don't think the hardcore leftists are going to be a real issue as long as they figure they can come up with enough mail in ballots to compensate for those who stay at home or vote Green. I'd be very surprised if they ever commit mass fraud for the establishment Republican unless it's someone like Dan Crenshaw vs Ilhan Omar.

Didn't biden admit that Trump might be president again in a speech from a few pages ago? I don't think they're actually confident with that plan right now.

 

[LurkTrawl]

if Chomo Joe is too much of a liability for them, they'd just orchestrate Gretchen Whitmer or Gavin Newsome or someone like that to be the nominee. Kamala can at least also string together sentences even if she has less appeal.

Establishment Republican Presidential candidates are always meant to be the designated graceful loser to the Democrat. I don't think the hardcore leftists are going to be a real issue as long as they figure they can come up with enough mail in ballots to compensate for those who stay at home or vote Green. I'd be very surprised if they ever commit mass fraud for the establishment Republican unless it's someone like Dan Crenshaw vs Ilhan Omar.

If Ron DeSantis 'wins' the republican primary, then goes on to 'win' the presidential race, I'm going to gloat so fucking hard the site will crash from the petabytes of smug that I'll be uploading through my presence alone.

 

[Forest Portal Triumph 747]

@Shadfan666xxx000 : "Didn't biden admit that Trump might be president again in a speech from a few pages ago? I don't think they're actually confident with that plan right now."

Chomo Joe's mind is gone, I'm sure that the powers that be are concerned that they'll have to make 2024 fraud even more blatant, but I don't think they'd settle for a plan to rig it for an establishment Repub.

They'd rather have DeSantis be the Republican nominee over Trump, but they'd still want a continuation of a D Presidency to make it look like the country prefers to go in that specific direction.

 

[Shadfan666xxx000]

@Shadfan666xxx000 : "Didn't biden admit that Trump might be president again in a speech from a few pages ago? I don't think they're actually confident with that plan right now."

Chomo Joe's mind is gone, I'm sure that the powers that be are concerned that they'll have to make 2024 fraud even more blatant, but I don't think they'd settle for a plan to rig it for an establishment Repub.

They'd rather have DeSantis be the Republican nominee over Trump, but they'd still want a continuation of a D Presidency to make it look like the country prefers to go in that specific direction.

But do they think they'll get away with it? Do they think it's worth it again? I think everyone knew things would get harder with Biden over Trump but this regime has blown everything out of the water with how much has been fucked up. We shouldn't ever underestimate stupidity abd malice but trying to keep with this shitty trajectory is undeniably stupid compared to just letting Trump win and getting the hell out of dodge.

 

[Forest Portal Triumph 747]

But do they think they'll get away with it? Do they think it's worth it again? I think everyone knew things would get harder with Biden over Trump but this regime has blown everything out of the water with how much has been fucked up. We shouldn't ever underestimate stupidity abd malice but trying to keep with this shitty trajectory is undeniably stupid compared to just letting Trump win and getting the hell out of dodge.

My assessment of Globohomo is that the following scenarios ranked in their malignant heads in order of preference

1. Establishment Democrat 'wins' 4 years in the White House even if it is super obviously stolen and the economic conditions are so bad that they'll be blamed
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2. Establishment Republican winning 4 years in the White House, fraudulent or not
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(100 more dots)
3. Someone like Trump winning 4 years in the White House.

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They're practically Gollum with the One Ring in terms of desperation to hold onto power, even if it entails ostensible responsibility for extremely bad domestic conditions. While an establishment Republican could function as controlled opposition, they'd rather steal it from that candidate because they figure that it still wouldn't trigger any armed uprisings.

 

[Candlelight Desolation]

It just hit me that the perfect concise description of Ron DeSantis is "right-wing Obama".

As in, a pseudo-populist that will say and promise all the right things right up until they're sworn in, only to be yet another cog of the establishment machine.

Obama knows how to read a room and suddenly "change his mind in light of new evidence" to get what he wants. We've seen DeSantis in a sub-national leadership position the past six years, and I've seen quite a bit of it more up close and personal because I live in Florida. I find DeSantis to be a more effective Trump. Trump is all talk. DeSantis actually does stuff, and I'd vote for him over Trump if a primary was held tomorrow.

 

[LurkTrawl]

Obama knows how to read a room and suddenly "change his mind in light of new evidence" to get what he wants. We've seen DeSantis in a sub-national leadership position the past six years, and I've seen quite a bit of it more up close and personal because I live in Florida. I find DeSantis to be a more effective Trump. Trump is all talk. DeSantis actually does stuff, and I'd vote for him over Trump if a primary was held tomorrow.

With all due respect, you're fucking retarded.

 

[The Ugly One]

they'd rather rig it for an establishment Democrat even if they're up against an establishment Republican. They want to pretend that D policies are popular in order to manipulate establishment R's to cuck even further. In fact, one of the main reasons they shill so hard against the idea that 2020 and 2022 were rife with fraud is because it undermines the idea that "Democrat policies are reasonable and popular no matter how low Biden's approval is, which means that the Republicans just have an extreme MAGA problem (as opposed to a problem with their elections getting stolen) and should go back to the Party of McCain and Romney (or even cuckier) to have a chance at winning."

Unfortunately, some faggot righties actually buy into that idea.

edit: the only scenario in which I can see the powers that be committing mass fraud for the Republican candidate is if the Democrat crosses the line on issues like threatening the $ of the banks, military industrial complex, and big business, siding too much with the latter in Israel v Palestine.

No Democrat will ever threaten the oligarchs, because the Democrat primaries themselves are rigged via the superdelegate system.

 

[Puff]

Obama knows how to read a room and suddenly "change his mind in light of new evidence" to get what he wants.

Mein nigger, that's how you give someone else what they want, not get what you want. It's a play for general power or bargaining chips, not a play at your direct goals.

 

[The Ugly One]

We may need a good stove-touching moment that results in some severe burns to finally get the lesson across- so be it. It’s all fun and games when times are good, but when you wind up with cataclysmic ruin caused (at least in part) by diversity hires in over their heads, a reckoning is surely due. It’ll probably be when certain VIPs don’t get their money that the orders will be handed down to tell the troons to fuck off.

Rampaging orcs have chased white people out of South Africa and Zimbabwe, and many of the refugees here are still shitlibs that sing the praises of diversity.

 

[Forest Portal Triumph 747]

Obama knows how to read a room and suddenly "change his mind in light of new evidence" to get what he wants. We've seen DeSantis in a sub-national leadership position the past six years, and I've seen quite a bit of it more up close and personal because I live in Florida. I find DeSantis to be a more effective Trump. Trump is all talk. DeSantis actually does stuff, and I'd vote for him over Trump if a primary was held tomorrow.

I've seen this exact talking point for years now.

Counter: DeSantis works with the overwhelmingly Republican state legislature as opposed to the heavily compromised Jan 2017-Jan 2019 Congress and the issues he tackled are Florida specific issues as opposed to national issues which naturally have more obstacles (Federal Courts are more activist than FL courts, bribery and pressure on Senators and House Reps are much greater than that of state legislators, Federal Departments are much more entrenched with corruption and pozz that FL Departments).

One could try saying that Florida Governor is Easy Mode or Tutorial Mode compared to the Presidency, but a better analogy would be that the former is riding a bike with training wheels in a safe neighborhood with no traffic and the latter is like riding a unicycle in a zombie apocalypse. It should be emphasized that Donald Trump's Presidency wasn't a normal Presidency where you have a Uniparty stooge working with other stooges to carry on a charade, but a genuine outsider who the powers that be in DC view as an existential threat to the point where Deep State agents outright refuse to follow legitimate executive orders, have 'Republican' Congressmen and Senators back the Mueller witch hunt while refusing to vote for any MAGA legislation, have Generals willing to collude with China over the American President,.

DeSantis' opposition in comparison was the FL Democratic Party which has been laughably impotent for years before DeSantis won his first political office. He did have to wrangle some cucky Republican FL State legislators on the issue of gerrymandering, but that little episode indicated that he wasn't this magician who could easily get anyone to do his bidding like his fans hype him up to be. Every single thing about him indicates that he would not have "fired Fauci" and implemented South Dakota tier policies on the scamdemic during 2020. Not only that, but he would have been much more willing to go along with the Military Industrial Complex, and would have cared about illegal immigration as much as Doug Ducey and pre-2021 Greg Abbott did.

edit: also note that when DeSantis was in the Federal Government (a member of the House of Representatives) he wasn't some MAGA standout with the balls to go against the grain. He essentially was a generic Repub who didn't defy the pre-Trump GOP norms on foreign policy, big business, the Deep State, immigration.

While I give him credit for not cucking as governor on the Culture War like Spencer Cox of Utah, Asa Hutchinson of Arkansas, etc, he is most likely going to go along with the pre-Trump GOP attitudes on all the other issues. I highly doubt he'll take any meaningful action against the FBI/CIA/NSA, whereas with Trump at least you know that there's some real bad blood between Don and the Deep State. His statements on the Ukraine indicate that he will still continue to throw billions at Money Laundering: The Country. His hires will certainly at the very least be as establishment oriented as Trump's 1st Term and probably even more so. When it comes to the Culture War, Vaccine Mandates, etc I guess you could at least say he'll be as good as Trump on that issue, but nothing indicates that he'll manage to magically manipulate Congress into actually passing truly meaningful legislation.

To be fair, I don't think Trump would either unless the Congress starting Jan 2025 is far less cucked than the one from Jan 2017, but with Trump you'll at least be guaranteed meaningful executive action against the Deep State, executive maneuvering to allocate funds to the Wall, things like that (and he'll be in a much more unrestrained mood given that re-election isn't going to be a concern, he'll also be in the last few years of his life so that also adds onto the 'what can I lose' mentality, though I wouldn't be surprised if they outright harm his family members).

When it comes to DeSantis, I'm fairly convinced he can be bribed and bullied into not taking any meaningful action against the Powers That Be in DC. In fact, you could even say he's already been bribed and won't need to be bullied because he may already be willing to get along with them on all the most significant issues.

 

[DaBigBopper]

Trump's social skills are actually really impressive. I don't think I've ever seen another politician apart from him that can banter effortlessly with working class Americans and actually seem relatable and genuine.

From what people saw have dredged up from his past, his father kinda taught him half of the trade and his dad was a small builder at the start despite his families wealth. It's not all sunshine and rainbows, but Trump knows how to work people and dealt with New York when it was an actual shithole.