Russian Special Military Operation in the Ukraine - Mark IV: The Partitioning of Discussion

[Ancient Pioneer]

ts already been implied that Ukraine is going to get cut off if they don't start making strides soon. Because well, now there's a fucking banking crisis on top of an inflation crisis and nobody has time to care about their Ukraine flags when eggs are hitting $12. Plus the CIA has been more worried about China now, not to mention public support in the West is waning and disappearing very fast.

I can see some of the this in the media, there is a pivot going on with the media trying to draw down war fever to a more realistic view that Ukraine is losing, but usually this is framed as "needs more ammo and wunderwaffen" which I view as one half of the MIC lobbying to the other. The problem with your take is that most of the brass in the West really are stupid enough to believe that Ukraine can physically do an offensive during rasputitsa. A month or two back I saw a video on youtube of General Wesley Clark doing an interview and he was just talking total nonsense, "Well Ukraine is going to need to do an armored thrust through the south towards Mariupol to split the land connection then move into Crimea" this guy isn't exactly in the dark when it comes to the real picture, he is just THAT dumb. He has no idea how impossible it is to do classic blitz tactics because of the advancement of tech and that is long before you consider Ukraine's actual manpower and equipment. Afghanistan collapsing exposed the brass and how inept they are, they have seriously no clue what is happening on the ground because almost none of the land force leadership has ever seen conflict, almost all of them were Lt.Col by the time Desert Storm happened and they are tank guys to begin with so everything is framed in the image of Desert Storm rather than the modern meat grinder we've seen in Libya, Syria, Armenia-Azerbaijan and now Ukraine.

 

[YumeNoHero]

Plus the Pentagon's bitchmade response to a fucking foreign drone inside foreign airspace to spy for a foreign war is fucking hilarious and insane at the same time.

This is almost as if the Pentagon is just straight up copying communist chinks' method of propaganda: Bitch and moan on international stage when something doesn't go their way, see the recent chinky spy balloon and this.

 

[Vesperus]

This is almost as if the Pentagon is just straight up copying communist chinks' method of propaganda: Bitch and moan on international stage when something doesn't go their way, see the recent chinky spy balloon and this.

I would love to see George Washington, Teddy Roosevelt, or even Ronald Reagan walk through the west wing and the Pentagon with a pointy stick.

Hell, I'd take Coolridge

 

[crustystipend]

Jet fuel is highly oxidizing and is superheated, so if it becomes a cloud like that, its almost like chaff, it gets into the drone's sensitive electronics and effectively fries them. You have to be EXTREMELY close to the drone to pull something like this off, which is why people are memeing because it takes a lot of skill to do without smashing into your target.

The prevailing opinion in the States seems to be that Russia is basically Zangief from Street Fighter - brutish, drunk, lacking in finesse. They have no idea how much this stereotyping limits them. Every adversary of the US knows so much more about the US than vice versa and it's lost on them that for the first time in a long time this adversary has the military means to reciprocally apply force.

 

[WhiskeyJack]

The fact that the Russians are back to saber rattling sure seems to imply they’re feeling pretty confident about wrapping this up sooner rather than later.

 

[Vesperus]

The fact that the Russians are back to saber rattling sure seems to imply they’re feeling pretty confident about wrapping this up sooner rather than later.

Pwning a million drone by pissing on it isn't rattling a sabre. It's stabbing your cat with a sabre, and laughing at you. to your face.
I'm sure the strongly worded letter was given as much respect as the one to Beijing about that balloon.

 

[Gondolindrim]

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The prevailing opinion in the States seems to be that Russia is basically Zangief from Street Fighter - brutish, drunk, lacking in finesse. They have no idea how much this stereotyping limits them. Every adversary of the US knows so much more about the US than vice versa and it's lost on them that for the first time in a long time this adversary has the military means to reciprocally apply force.

It's kinda hilarious how much we need to pretend that the Russian military is thoroughly incompetent despite them fending off all of NATO for about a year now.

 

[Meh123]

It's kinda hilarious how much we need to pretend that the Russian military is thoroughly incompetent despite them fending off all of NATO for about a year now.

To be honest, I'm kinda worried about some of the russian military leadership being incompetent AF.
As with a most authoritarian governments like the Russian, higher positions are populated not with the best, but with the bootlickers, cronies, yes-men and vassals.

It would be a real shame if their current achievements gone belly-up because of some bozo career-general mishandling the "great spring offensive"

 

[DenseDeerFather]

The fact that the Russians are back to saber rattling sure seems to imply they’re feeling pretty confident about wrapping this up sooner rather than later.

Please. Inflation and gas prices are falling here (yet food prices remain high alongside rent for some) but our new and highly unpopular government decided to put more money into military aid for Ukraine, even axing a public holiday so people can work more for more money to more weapons for Ukraine

If the nation is losing, I want this to blow up in their faces so bad as well as end in a swift and quick manner so we can close the book on this needlessly bloody Slavic slap fight.

If that means a Russian Victory, so be it.

Unrelated but I'd also like to slap the person who unironically continue to say that Putin wants rebuild the Russian Empire. It just sounds so ridiculous to me

 

[Sister Miriam Godwinson]

Poland can no longer keep its WW3 boner in its pants and will transfer four MiG-29 fighter jets to Ukraine.

Poland is set to provide Ukraine with four MiG-29 fighter jets in the coming days, Polish President Andrzej Duda said on Thursday, becoming the first NATO country to do so.

“When it comes to the MI-29 aircraft, which are still operating in the defense of Polish airspace, a decision has been taken at the highest levels, we can say confidently that we are sending MIGs to Ukraine,” Duda said.

“In the coming days we will hand over four planes to the Ukraine, remaining machines are being serviced and prepared for handover. We will replace them with deliveries of South Korean FA-50s and American F-35s,” the Polish president said.

Repeat after me: still not a side to the conflict! STILL NOT A SIDE TO THE CONFLICT!

 

[ditto]

Interesting effect of taking down that drone is to get Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin to admit Russia is a "Great Power". (Archive)

“It’s important that great powers be models of transparency and communication, and the United States will continue to fly and to operate wherever international law allows,” Austin told reporters in Washington.

We've moved a long way from "the ruble is rubble".

 

[Serbian Peacekeepers]

The prevailing opinion in the States seems to be that Russia is basically Zangief from Street Fighter - brutish, drunk, lacking in finesse. They have no idea how much this stereotyping limits them.

While WW2 comparisons are tired and overplayed, isn't this the exact same mistake Germany did in WW2, where they refused to see the USSR as a actual threat/foe until well after the war had turned against them?

 

[Rubick]

Well assuming Duda isn't talking out of his ass as always. Those 4 MiG-29's wont make any difference. Due to small fuel capacity of the early model MiG-29's they don't have the range. Polish MiG-29A also still retain the old non upgraded N019 warsaw pack downgrade variant of a radar. While it offered at the time, MiG-29A BVR capability compared to say F-16A (Which only got it's BVR capability with F-16A Block 15) for todays battlefield it's subpar. Never mind MiG-29A defense suit was lackluster even in the 80's.

 

[Random Internet Person]

China's Xi to meet Putin in Moscow next week

Beijing said China would uphold "an objective and fair position" on the war in Ukraine.

www.bbc.com

China's Xi to meet Putin in Moscow next week - BBC News

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[Feline Supremacist]

While WW2 comparisons are tired and overplayed, isn't this the exact same mistake Germany did in WW2, where they refused to see the USSR as a actual threat/foe until well after the war had turned against them?

I think it was the other way around in that Stalin and some in his staff deceived themselves how and when the Wehrmacht would attack.

 

[Whoopsie Daisy]

It's kinda hilarious how much we need to pretend that the Russian military is thoroughly incompetent despite them fending off all of NATO for about a year now.

One of the biggest lies propagated by the west; in films, in tv shows and in the news, is to make people think Russia is some backwater shit hole still running MS DOS and dot-matrix printers.

They are incredibly advanced when it comes to military technology but they keep it well under wraps and very, very secret. Unlike the Americans who swing their dicks every time they build a new jet.

 

[Rubick]

German military boost fails to spend single euro

A plan to strengthen the army in the wake of the Ukraine war has been "pitiful" so far, an MP says.

www.bbc.com

A senior German MP has condemned the slow start of a drive to boost the country's military announced after Russia's invasion of Ukraine last year.
Eva Högl, parliamentary commissioner for the armed forces, said "not a single euro" of a €100bn fund (£88bn; $107bn) approved by MPs had been spent.
The military has even less than it had before Russia's attack, she added.
The invasion of Ukraine led Germany to announce a massive increase in military spending, a major policy shift.
Chancellor Olaf Scholz received a standing ovation in parliament on 27 February last year, as he announced the radical departure from Germany's pacifist tradition.

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Wow, what a shocker! This pretty much go's for almost every EU country. And with the economy going the way it's going. Forget about any arms build up.

I think it was the other way around in that Stalin and some in his staff deceived themselves how and when the Wehrmacht would attack.

No, it's a myth that Stalin didn't listen to his intelligence.

In reality what actually happened. Stalin stopped trusting the Soviet intelligence, because the Soviet intelligence reported every single possible development, every goddamn fucking week, without actually doing proper analysis, filtering and double checking the data.

So Stalin ended up getting reports like that German wouldn't attack at all! Including that it's all misinformation from the English. To German are preparing to attack, but will only do it after they forced a peace treaty with the British. Or that the troop concentration along the border are a deception maneuver in preparation for the landing in British isles Or that Ze Germany are preparing for the attack in April, May, and every month after, to even next year, etc.

By the way, Stalin actually allowed preparations for the defense against possible German invasion in May anyway. Things just went slower in fear of giving Germans a image of a planned invasion from the Soviet side and making a possible invasion by the Germans into a guaranteed one.

 

[Yak-130 Mitten]

I am more concerned about it creating a precedent and/or them operating directly from Polish air bases.

Polish migs cant reach anywhere close to frontlines from polish airfields. Closest one would be Krakow - about 1000km away, if not more. Thats in extreme range of a mig29, assuming no loadout. Cant run combat missions all the way from poland. And... if they tried, they would be picked up byradar and awacs in belarus.

While WW2 comparisons are tired and overplayed, isn't this the exact same mistake Germany did in WW2, where they refused to see the USSR as a actual threat/foe until well after the war had turned against them?

Germans became too self confident after poland, france and yugoslavia. While they planned six months for french campaign, they expected to reach moscow in six weeks. They underestimated russian armored corps, their weapons and willingness to fight ("kick out a leg and entire rotten structure falls apart" from hitler words), while overestimating their own strength and abilities - and chances of soviet people to just roll over. Maybe they would have fared better if they didnt fucking murder civilians just because they felt like it. Imo it was the biggest incentive for soviets to fight - they knew how germans treated civilians, and didnt want the same to happen to them.

 

[Useful_Mistake]

341.62 m (1120.801 feet) remains until the Southern road out of Bakhmut is fully occupied (as per Ukrainian mappers).

 

[Shallow Wave]

Imagine China sending its drones to fly CAPs near Gitmo; they'd be in pieces before we'd even hear about it. If Xi tried to excuse it by claiming the Cubans gave their permission he would be laughed at, and rightly so.

Correction: it will take them a week to blast Chinese drone, considering how they dealt with the balloon.