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Can you teach me how to secretly rule the world?
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Conspiracies hurt the people who believe in them. The idea of a perfect sycnchronity is absurd. The NRX concept of the cathedral (interconnected internecine in-fighting elites creating consensus) makes more sense.
The alt-right is just another hugbox for millennial wrong-thinkers.
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Doesn't Ramz DESPISE fascists, branding them as "ADL plants" and "14/88ers"?
Just look at the like/dislike ratio to see how WNs reacted to that
Also, recently he's starting to get friendly with Jewish people, going so far as argue against their "influence" in finance
https://twitter.com/ramzpaul/status/719206996629540864
There are reasons why more than half of the alt-right thinks he's 'cucked'
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His fans however, my god the comments box of his brexit stream.
"I'm free of european tyranny"
-goes back to shitty underpaid job content-
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Though the Remainers are the gold from all of this, the alt-righters who believe this is going to lead to a rebirth of the British Empire are also worth a laugh.
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Isolationism -> Global Empire
Solid logic.
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This is something that's amused me as well. I can't understand why the brownshirt crowd is so happy about Brexit when it seems that England has extricated herself *from* German dominion. I mean, yeah, a lot of those guys go on about "nationalism" and all that, but considering how they often also scream about the importance of "white unity," you'd think they'd be displeased about the Fourth Reich breaking up.
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The funniest thing is that I've already seen some insist that Scotland wouldn't and shouldn't get another independence referendum and that if they did they'd stay with the UK. I mean sure, now the UK is free from German dominion but in the process they showed how unworkable Scotland being a part of the UK truly is. So in getting nationalism to triumph to get them out of a commitment made in the last 40 years, they've likely sealed the fate of a union that has been around since 1707.
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FTFY. Liberalism =/= leftism
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Spain are almost certainly going to veto an independent Scotland's entry into the EU, so the salt when that happens is going to be amazing.
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If the EU was actually an ethno-cultural union, as it was originally intended to be before such things became synonymous with fascist racism sometime during the Cold War (the emphasis on the unique and common nature of european cultures was particularly pronounced when it was initially argued for and put in place), I don't think every single extreme right-wing white-nationalist party would be so against it in every way. The "European" in EU is now practically incidental, it may as well be called Eurasian or Globalist. The primary concerns of the people leading it extends to much further than their supposed mandate and the interests of the people who put them there in the first place. I'm not sure how anyone can possibly take self-admitted globalists seriously when they talk about "Europe" and "Europeans" and what is best for them as if they didn't believe such a distinction was meaningless, obsolete tribalism in the first place.
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Fascist is not necessarily the same as being a neonazi/white supremacist.
He's a soft fascist, he's a "racial realist/separatist" he's just a guy who thinks this ideology has to adapt to America to work, not to revive some German shit from almost a century ago that won't work
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So they'd be happy with more or less the same policies if the EU's leaders kept their globalism quiet and paid lip service to White Pride World Wide instead? To be frank, that sounds rather like cuckery to me. Hell, even if alt-righters dislike a "globalist" EU, you'd think they'd be A-OK with a "Eurasian" one. Asians tend to be one of the few ethnicities they don't hate, thanks to Japan being on the "right" (i.e losing) side of WWII.
The whole WPWW thing isn't just me being glib, either. One of the big reasons ethno-culturalism has gone out of style is because it's a whole hell of a lot harder to build a functioning multinational culture, diplomatic system, and sense of common purpose on that as opposed to economic and travel connections.
Vague ideas about "Europa" and a common "European Destiny" shared by "European Man" have been batted around since the 19th century, possibly earlier. I know you've at least a passing familiarity with European history since then, so I don't need to remind anyone that the ideal of "Europa" did not stop Europeans from slaughtering each other en masse, quite spectacularly in WWI and even more spectacularly during WWII. If some "globalist elite" thinks a pan-European identity is "meaningless tribalism," they're not necessarily wrong. It's certainly unclear whether or not the disintegration of the EU will lead to not just Sovereignty but also Friendship and Cooperation (and of course the expulsion of those damn immigrants), or if the newly "sovereign" nations will just start squabbling amongst themselves as they did throughout most of history, and perhaps causing a great deal more damage, one way or another, than ISIS could achieve even in its wildest dreams.
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Eurasia here largely meaning north Africa, the Middle East and the Indian subcontinent, the source of the vast, vast majority of immigration to Europe. Ethno-nationalism has not gone out of style. Tribalism never goes out of style, it just adds or removes layers. The West is not the World. Give it a few decades, we'll see which systems fare better. I know where my money is. One way or the other, by miraculous melting pot resulting in a new ethnicity or rational immigration policy and integration, Europe will once again be subject to the same mechanisms every other collective that has ever existed has been, and continues to be.
Equating completely normal ethnic identification, present everywhere else on the planet (as arbitrary and meaningless as they admiteddly can be) automatically with White Nationalism, and by extension all the ugly mental baggage that is automatically associated with it, is just baffling to me. The very nations that themselves fought the nazis tooth and nail and ultimately defeated them, at the cost of millions of lives, are retroactively condemned to share in their guilt. Even the most guiltless "white" european ethnicities and nations who did not participate or suffer particularly badly from WW2, or profit from colonial imperialism at all, are engulfed by this bizarre civilizational PTSD.
Thing is, this globalist elite is in charge of a project called the "EUROPEAN Union", that was sold to the native populations specifically as an economic and cultural union of EUROPEAN countries and cultures, and was deemed feasible only because of the MANY SHARED ASPECTS and UNIQUE COMMON EUROPEAN CULTURE. No one signed up for a demented grand social experiment to create a global identity. If it's meaningless tribalism they should drop the pretense, instead of trying to convince their constituents that this is totally for the good of "France", or "England", or "Germany", or "Europe". Just campaign on the inevitability of the One World Order and the necessity to sublimate any collective identity to it, for the Greater Good. I'm sure that will be very appealling to the demos. But of course they won't do that, they'll just continue to despise and loathe these retarded plebs who clearly can't see the bigger picture, even as they lie through their teeth about how concerned they are for their futures.
Equating completely normal ethnic identification, present everywhere else on the planet (as arbitrary and meaningless as they admiteddly can be) automatically with White Nationalism, and by extension all the ugly mental baggage that is automatically associated with it, is just baffling to me. The very nations that themselves fought the nazis tooth and nail and ultimately defeated them, at the cost of millions of lives, are retroactively condemned to share in their guilt. Even the most guiltless "white" european ethnicities and nations who did not participate or suffer particularly badly from WW2, or profit from colonial imperialism at all, are engulfed by this bizarre civilizational PTSD.
Thing is, this globalist elite is in charge of a project called the "EUROPEAN Union", that was sold to the native populations specifically as an economic and cultural union of EUROPEAN countries and cultures, and was deemed feasible only because of the MANY SHARED ASPECTS and UNIQUE COMMON EUROPEAN CULTURE. No one signed up for a demented grand social experiment to create a global identity. If it's meaningless tribalism they should drop the pretense, instead of trying to convince their constituents that this is totally for the good of "France", or "England", or "Germany", or "Europe". Just campaign on the inevitability of the One World Order and the necessity to sublimate any collective identity to it, for the Greater Good. I'm sure that will be very appealling to the demos. But of course they won't do that, they'll just continue to despise and loathe these retarded plebs who clearly can't see the bigger picture, even as they lie through their teeth about how concerned they are for their futures.
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It's likely many European countries would have problems with immigration from those places even without the EU. Many parts of Africa were once French colonies; the same ties which bind Britain and India. It would have made sense for European industrialists to import cheap labor from those places in any case; the EU just made it easier. You'll notice America did something similar with Mexicans, despite our nation assumedly not taking orders from any large multinational body--though perhaps you could argue we're just straight-up run by the "globalists."
Some things will never go out of style, in the sense of likely always being with us. Autism will never go out of style. But that doesn't mean it's a very good idea to take life lessons from lolcows. By the same token, ethno-nationalism and tribalism may be part of the human condition for a long time, but that might just tell us it's a problem to be managed rather than embraced.
The WHITE PRIDE WORLDWIDE bit was a small joke at the expense of white nationalists, not a knock on all the white folks who fought Hitler, take it easy. But I've heard the claims of post-war "white masochism," and they never struck me as particularly convincing. The fact that WWII was such a humongous undertaking is actually part of the reason its memory has tended to erode nationalism and particularism among people in the former Allies who've thought about it seriously. The Allied war effort was definitely a team campaign; we would have lost if each constituent country had simply gone off to do its own thing and fight its own wars instead of coordinating and working together. The lesson many took from the allied victory is that national particularity is less important than working together for a common cause. We can debate whether that applies in a world where there no longer seems to be such an immediate threat (ISIS is getting its shit kicked in recently, from what I've heard, so we may not have to worry about them soon enough), but it's hardly "masochism" to have taken that lesson from history.
History is a hell of a ride, and nobody signs up for much of it. In any case, it's not necessarily clear that the demise of the EU is good for its constituents in the long run. Just because the globalists don't care about Europe as Europe doesn't mean, in and of itself, that they're stupid enough to turn it into "Eurabia" or something. Scotland wanted to stay in the EU by a pretty significant margin; many have already noted the irony of the UK sundering over this matter. Assuming the EU disintegrates, will that necessarily solve the immigration problem? The UK might keep "rapefugees" out, but there's nothing keeping Indians or Pakis or anyone else from their former colonies out. It might be a good feeling--for the plebs or the proles or whoever--to "stick it to the elites," but there's also such a thing as cutting off your nose to spite your face. I'm not some melodramatic SJW driven to tears over Brexit (I think such theatrics are both melodramatic and stupid) but some skepticism about whether or not it'll actually be a good thing in the long run is warranted.
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It's the basic mechanism for civilization, but sure bro, it's literally like a genetic deficiency, an unnatural mutation, and probably an unecessary artificial construct to boot. I'm sure that's why the very idea of a collective tribal identity has been a feature of humanity since other Homo variations wandered the earth simultaneously with Sapiens, and even further. The fact that it's replicated in a variety of our closest great ape cousins is also a coincidence. This is the first time in history anyone has ever claimed they are building New Men, who have shed the sins of the Old World, and this arrogant, unrealistic, utopian idealism has never resulted in negative consequences.
Really, you have a hard time taking seriously that there is an underlying current of white self-hatred running through the current Western zeitgeist, originating from the highest echelons of intellectuals and academia? Are you blind? There are endless examples archived within this very forum.
Right, right, not acceding to the whims of arrogant, self-righteous, moralist, delusional idealists completely divorced from reality who literally lie to my fucking face about their intentions because I'm clearly too much of a retard to tell or divine their real intentions is cutting off my nose to spite my face.
It's a wonder how literally even the most backwards 3rd world shithole can manage to guard it's borders, but it's somehow beyond the power of developped first world nations. How do you stop immigrants from former colonies? You stop creating laws designed to attract them, for a start. You enforce the same fucking scrutiny every single other international border on the planet enforces, without being pelted with cries of "racism". And yes, there is an international border between the EU and the billion people worldwide who have voiced their intentions to eventually emmigrate there, as much as the globalists wish otherwise.
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Well, it's also easier to guard the borders of third-world shit holes because no one wants to go there
But yeah, the west absolutely could, and should, be more careful and selective about who it lets into their countries
But yeah, the west absolutely could, and should, be more careful and selective about who it lets into their countries
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You'd be surprised. Look at the way South Africans have been dealing with their own migration crisis from Nigeria, particularly the Zulu, who are already considered pretty xenophobic internally with the Xhosa and other tribes, and vice versa. It's actual, real xenophobia, not what passes for it in the Western world, where even voicing concern for immigration is practically considered the first step on the slippery slope to goosestepping around with a nazi armband.
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Not at all--it's merely an adaptation that served humans and other apes well enough when we lived in small bands of maybe 100 people (at most) scattered across the African savannah. As I'm sure you're aware, things started changing when human beings began to live in cities and engage in other types of "civilized" behavior. The tribal impulse was channeled into other things, ranging from identification with city-states to fierce devotion to religion. The fact that innate human tribalism can be (and indeed, must be, in order for any group larger than an extended-family clan to function) modified, manipulated, or directed tells me there's nothing inherently wrong with attempting to manage it.
You certainly have a flair for the dramatic. "New Men" (I know you're referring to the Commies) have been built through the process of completely (and ruthlessly) remaking his society from the ground up via extreme, brute force. The EU, on the other hand, was borne out of free trade and free travel doctrines both accepted and held in many countries (without turning them into giant gulags) since the 19th century, and in regards to race, its leaders probably took more inspiration from the United States than the USSR, believing that America's "melting pot" of immigration could work out on the other side of the Atlantic. You could cogently argue that optimism was foolish or historically uninformed. But it's harder to argue it was as outrightly psychotic as various attempts to Create New Men were during the 20th century. The EU kept itself at least somewhat closer to reality, though again, perhaps not closely enough.
Once again, a flair for the dramatic. I don't deny such self-loathing exists, and I don't deny plenty of SJWs have bought into it hook, line, and sinker, but I do think you're kidding yourself if you think it's the only or even main reason European nationalism has been on a decline for the past few decades. The ivory tower can exert and influence, sure, but it can't explain why so many politicians across the Western world have advocated for "open borders," despite not being cringey SJW self-flagellators, or even particularly fond of brown proles themselves. Cheap labor, fewer tariffs, easier commerce are pretty appealing to businessmen even if they don't buy into any utopian dreams about New Men or whatever, and if nationalism is an obstacle to that, they'll do what they can to surmount it regardless of how much it may be "part of the human condition." You can say it's bad or immoral, but it's not necessarily an expression of "self-loathing."
I guess we'll have to see. For your sake, I hope you're right.
In addition to what @MarineTrainedTard said, the comparison with the Zulus doesn't really work because those ethnic groups have hated each other for ages. The UK's relationship with its former colonies, on the other hand, is more complex (and the same applies to other European countries and their former colonies), needless to say. I suppose I may be wrong about this, but I'm fairly certain the Commonwealth binding the UK and all of its former colonies wasn't inaugurated at the behest of the "globalists" in the European Union. That alone makes Albion's relationship to many of the ethnic groups trying to get in somewhat different than that of the Zulus and Xhosa, and simply leaving the EU won't fix that, though I suppose it may be a start.
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