Ukrainian Defensive War against the Russian Invasion - Mark IV: The Partitioning of Discussion

[Fait Accompli]

They've unironically claimed they destroyed Leopard tanks with Polish Mercenaries in Bakhmut too.

https://kiwifarms.st/threads/russian-special-military-operation-in-the-ukraine.150029/post-15228530

I've been through this, lengthy discussions about destruction of many HIMARS, Bradleys, Leopards and other major western systems. The only proof i've gotten has been a few videos of Lancet strikes at supposed HIMARS systems, but as there are alot of decoys produced this claim remains disputed. I welcomed geolocated and documented losses ( as per Oryx ), but the answer i got was anecdotal and zero proof. Are the pro-russians...lying?

If there is geolocated and documented proof of said systems being destroyed, please provide them. I think we all would appreciate it



Ofc, 20k polish mercenaries have been liquidated. And they claim we are delusional, lol
Probably wont happen, but seeing Putin and his lackeys in an ICC court would be the geopolitcal equivalent of a deluxe open bar, with cocaine as a side dish

 

[mindlessobserver]

I've been through this, lengthy discussions about destruction of many HIMARS, Bradleys, Leopards and other major western systems. The only proof i've gotten has been a few videos of Lancet strikes at supposed HIMARS systems, but as there are alot of decoys produced this claim remains disputed. I welcomed geolocated and documented losses ( as per Oryx ), but the answer i got was anecdotal and zero proof. Are the pro-russians...lying?

If there is geolocated and documented proof of said systems being destroyed, please provide them. I think we all would appreciate it



Ofc, 20k polish mercenaries have been liquidated. And they claim we are delusional, lol

The thing about HIMARS is their ability to shoot and scoot, often at ranges already outside of most of Russia's counter fire capability. By the time they even see the rounds comings the system has probably already moved from where it fired them. Its possible Russia has gotten one or two of them, but clearly not many.

 

[Fait Accompli]

The thing about HIMARS is their ability to shoot and scoot, often at ranges already outside of most of Russia's counter fire capability. By the time they even see the rounds comings the system has probably already moved from where it fired them. Its possible Russia has gotten one or two of them, but clearly not many.

Yeah, like ARCHER. I could totally buy that a few has been destroyed, but they have a very effective defense, concealment and mobility

Thats what Ukraine needs, no need to match Russias ability in barrels, just focus on effective systems that can conceal and be mobile. Precision is a bonus

 

[Techpriest Mk II]

Yeah, like ARCHER. I could totally buy that a few has been destroyed, but they have a very effective defense, concealment and mobility

Thats what Ukraine needs, no need to match Russias ability in barrels, just focus on effective systems that can conceal and be mobile. Precision is a bonus

Precision is not a bonus, it's the point. Precise guided artillery strikes allow maximum use of limited resources.

 

[mindlessobserver]

Yeah, like ARCHER. I could totally buy that a few has been destroyed, but they have a very effective defense, concealment and mobility

Thats what Ukraine needs, no need to match Russias ability in barrels, just focus on effective systems that can conceal and be mobile. Precision is a bonus

Best part of the HIMARS is from the air it looks like just another supply truck. That design feature was done with malice aforethought, and its quite likely many of Russia's "HIMARS kills" were them blowing up the chow wagon. The camouflage can be improved even more by attaching a tarp over the top of the system when its not in use and parking it near other trucks. It would be hard to distinguish it, even from the ground with binoculars.

 

[Fait Accompli]

Precision is not a bonus, it's the point. Precise guided artillery strikes allow maximum use of limited resources.

Well, true. But there is a point in unprecise and maximum firepower, being able to destroy large parts of defensive positions. In this fight, i see it as a bonus as Ukraine has neither mastered or gotten enough of this precise munition. Hopefully they can fully integrate it in their doctrine, but it takes alot of effort and time to switch from a soviet doctrine to a western one.

Btw, is there any solid proof of a HIMARS getting wrecked? Not rallying, genuinely curious. If you dont want to spam the thread with links, kindly DM me. I have an autistic astonishment over the lack of footage from HIMARS getting destroyed. Call me a pessimist, but i simply cannot believe that they all have survived.

 

[Ghostse]

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Least schizophrenic Zigger.

Just double checking, but you know that's a copy-pasta from the Witches against Allah, right?

Speaking about games:

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/hendriklesser/death-from-above
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Jesus christ, that's some real "way too soon" shit. You're making a game about very real death, destruction and maiming as the conflict is unfolding. I don't clutch my pearls about 'making war a game' I just really think that's a too-far kind of thing and I -
> The mission objective is to use your drone recover stolen washing machines
.....well played, Devs. Well. Played.

Okay but for real this time
Has Bakhmut fallen yet? What is the situation on the ground? TF

There are no Ukrainians in Bahkmut. They are committing suicide at gates, and we urge them do continue to do so and do so quickly. They are up to their necks in the blood of polish mercenaries as we have killed 800 million Hohols in Bahkmut. Their army is finished, it is in a shambles. We are allowing them to continue to commit suicide in piece. We have 10,000 Armata-14s who will soon secure the area and take Kiev.

I've been through this, lengthy discussions about destruction of many HIMARS, Bradleys, Leopards and other major western systems. The only proof i've gotten has been a few videos of Lancet strikes at supposed HIMARS systems, but as there are alot of decoys produced this claim remains disputed. I welcomed geolocated and documented losses ( as per Oryx ), but the answer i got was anecdotal and zero proof. Are the pro-russians...lying?

If there is geolocated and documented proof of said systems being destroyed, please provide them. I think we all would appreciate it
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Yeah, like ARCHER. I could totally buy that a few has been destroyed, but they have a very effective defense, concealment and mobility
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Btw, is there any solid proof of a HIMARS getting wrecked? Not rallying, genuinely curious. If you dont want to spam the thread with links, kindly DM me. I have an autistic astonishment over the lack of footage from HIMARS getting destroyed. Call me a pessimist, but i simply cannot believe that they all have survived.

tl;dr: Even if Russia manages a HIMARS kill, we will never know until after the conflict is over.
Also remember that while HIMARS isn't a tank, it is a military vehicle. You can hit a HIMARS, even kill or injure the crew, and it might be back in service in a few days.
Ukraine only has a couple dozen HIMARS which lets the micromange them.

"The best armor is stay out of range" and Ukraine is doing that with their HIMARS.

HIMARS range exceeds that of any of Russia's conventional or rocket artillery. Russia has cruise missiles and retasked S300s, but Ukraine keeps their HIMARS on the move and Russia likely lacks a mechanism to update the targets for those missiles in flight. HIMARS would be operating from secure areas back from the front - losing a HIMARS would not just be a PR blow but a huge intelligence gain for Russia so Ukraine will do everything in its power to keep that from happening - so even if Russia got one, they won't get any video of the corpse.

Everyone on both sides seems to agree the HIMARS units are getting intel uploads constantly from NATO/US. This means if any russian troops get active near a deployed HIMARS, the HIMARS crew will know and will move.

We'll probably see some video of blown out Leopards and Bradleys, but not of HIMARS, not until after the war is over and shit gets declassified.

 

[Racist Trash]

So how many 2 more weeks to go?

 

[mindlessobserver]

Jesus christ, that's some real "way too soon" shit. You're making a game about very real death, destruction and maiming as the conflict is unfolding. I don't clutch my pearls about 'making war a game' I just really think that's a too-far kind of thing and I -
> The mission objective is to use your drone recover stolen washing machines
.....well played, Devs. Well. Played.

In the DLC you will have to recover the stolen toilets.

 

[Fait Accompli]

@Ghostse

For some reason i cant reply to your post

But why wouldnt we know until the end of the war? There are thousands of confirmed kills of equipment from both sides, during the war. Russia has drones, they could easily record footage of a Lancet drone obliterating a HIMARS system, just as they have with M777.

 

[Ghostse]

@Ghostse

For some reason i cant reply to your post

But why wouldnt we know until the end of the war? There are thousands of confirmed kills of equipment from both sides, during the war. Russia has drones, they could easily record footage of a Lancet drone obliterating a HIMARS system, just as they have with M777.

The M777 needs to operate closer to the action. the M777 is also not full of super secret squirrel shit - its just a well-made light-weight artillery piece with advanced ammo. If its been BTFO there no need to stay to defend the area. And there's only been a couple of videos (one I believe) that are likely of M777s actually getting hit and not just explosions photoshopped in.

The HIMARS has lots of advanced systems, and its operating back away from the front most lines. Ukraine is maintaining strict opsec with HIMARS. Ukraine has only about 24 of them they use very carefully and strategically, from outside the range of all but the most serious drones - so near zero chance any have gotten hit by counter battery fire. Russia would need to task a cruise missile to hit them, and that's hard with a moving target (and soviet technology)

 

[Ghostse]

Yes absolutely, im totally with you on that. I just meant that IF Russia manages to destroy one, it wouldnt be that difficult to prove it. Drones are flying everywhere and destroyed systems are getting documented left and right

Which leaves me to believe that a very few or no HIMARS systems have been destroyed.

What I mean there is that HIMARS is operating back from the lines with alert spotters. Lancets are fairly short range when you start measuring things in artillery distances, and there is likely active jamming near the HIMARS. Its possible they could have the drone on a collision course before control cuts out - you get a kill, but no feeed.
Or HIMARS hit a mine, or a russian shell got lucky. If that happened, Ukraine would salvage the hull no matter the condition. If Russia got eyes on the site, it might be after when there's nothing to get a picture of.

 

[Jewthulhu]

They've unironically claimed they destroyed Leopard tanks with Polish Mercenaries in Bakhmut too.

https://kiwifarms.st/threads/russian-special-military-operation-in-the-ukraine.150029/post-15228530

Holy shit they're such fucking retards lmao

 

[Melmac_Knight]

Holy shit they're such fucking retards lmao

the whole cope thread is "everything Russian is good and everything not Russian is Nazi, anyway check out Ivan killing Khokhol's"

 

[Fanatical Pragmatist]

I, an American citizen, was forcibly drafted by Hunter Biden and sent into Bakhmut where I was immediately killed along with my entire division by a single Wagner Spetnaz supersoldier.
I was then brought back to life by Zelensky's Jew-Nazi necromancy, and sent back into Bakhmut where I promptly died 7 more times without inflicting a single casualty.

 

[Kendall Motor Oil]

Moscovite Whack-a-Mole

This video goes to show you can't just surrender like in the movies. What a terrible way to die.

blowing up the chow wagon

That's the real war crime

 

[GatorAids]

So how many 2 more weeks to go?

I've finally cracked the code. All the ziggers are 12 year old fortnite players. Hence they keep saying 2 weeks.

 

[Jewthulhu]

I've finally cracked the code. All the ziggers are 12 year old fortnite players. Hence they keep saying 2 weeks.

I CAPTURED BAKHMUT IN FORTNITE?!?! [GONE WRONG]

 

[Clownish]

Oksen Lisovy is going to be appointed the Minister of Education and Science of Ukraine. He is the director of the Junior Academy of Sciences of Ukraine, a governmental institution focused on education for middle and high school-aged children. Since the war started he has been a volunteer of the 95th Airborne Assault Brigade.

The current Minister of Education Shkarlet is a plagiarist and was a member of Party of Regions which is a pro-Russia party that was banned. After 3 years Zelensky is finally kicking this faggot out of government.

 

[Trig.Point]

HIMARS range exceeds that of any of Russia's conventional or rocket artillery. Russia has cruise missiles and retasked S300s, but Ukraine keeps their HIMARS on the move and Russia likely lacks a mechanism to update the targets for those missiles in flight. HIMARS would be operating from secure areas back from the front - losing a HIMARS would not just be a PR blow but a huge intelligence gain for Russia so Ukraine will do everything in its power to keep that from happening - so even if Russia got one, they won't get any video of the corpse.

This is correct, also HIMARS is essentially just a firing post. The Command Post could be miles away, most likely composing a fire mission that's based on real time info from the US. All the HIMARS has to do is deploy dump it's munitions, then turn around and drive back to base. It's not like an Artillery system that's emplaced for days while it does multiple fire missions.

Even if the Russians do hit one, so what? The expense is in the rocket itself not the vehicle, the US are good for another one. The Ukrainians are winning, their military has shown that unlike the Afghan and Iraqi military, that they will use the weapon systems they're given. They have Raytheon, Boeing and BAE lobbyists in Washington who can tell US Senators and Congressmen that if they push for more weapons to be sent to Ukraine, not only will they get some sweet military industrial complex cash, they'll also get footage of the Russians being hammered.

The west for all it's inept weakness, has lost its shit with Russia. They will happily flood Ukraine with weaponry, if the war is going a year from now, there will be F16's and Eurofighters over Kyiv, Russia will be trying to prop up it's economy by selling oil/gas to India, despite the fact that it's extremely expensive, and they'll make a fraction of the profit they made selling to western Europe. Putin will be fellating the Chinese/Indians/North Koreans and anyone that will agree to engage with him. JFC even the Iranian parliament are kicking off about the supply of Iranian drones to Russia.