The Internet Archive is defending its digital library in court today - Based Internet Archive vs Greedy (((publishers)))

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Book publishers and the Internet Archive will face off today in a hearing that could determine the future of library ebooks — deciding whether libraries must rely on the often temporary digital licenses that publishers offer or whether they can scan and lend copies of their own tomes.

At 1PM ET, a New York federal court will hear oral arguments in Hachette v. Internet Archive, a lawsuit over the archive’s Open Library program. The court will consider whether the Open Library violated copyright law by letting users “check out” digitized copies of physical books, an assertion several major publishers made in their 2020 suit. The case will be broadcast over teleconference, with the phone number available here.

The Open Library is built around a concept called controlled digital lending, or CDL: a system where libraries digitize copies of books in their collections and then offer access to them as ebooks on a one-to-one basis (i.e., if a library has a single copy of the book, it can keep the book in storage and let one person at a time access the ebook, something known as the “own-to-loan ratio.”) CDL is different from services like OverDrive or Amazon’s Kindle library program, which offer ebooks that are officially licensed out by publishers. It’s a comparatively non-standard practice despite implementation in places like the Boston Public Library, partially because it’s based on an interpretation of US copyright doctrine that hasn’t been strictly tested in court — but this is about to change.

This lawsuit wasn’t actually spurred by classic CDL. As physical libraries closed their doors in the first months of the coronavirus pandemic, the Internet Archive launched what it called the National Emergency Library, removing the “own-to-loan” restriction and letting unlimited numbers of people access each ebook with a two-week lending period. Publishers and some authors complained about the move. Legal action from Hachette Book Group, HarperCollins Publishers, John Wiley & Sons, and Penguin Random House — a list that includes three of the print industry’s “Big Five” publishers — followed soon after.

The lawsuit takes aim at the Internet Archive’s response to the pandemic, but its arguments are much broader

Publishers took aim not just at the National Emergency Library, however, but also at the Open Library and the theory of CDL in general. The service constitutes “willful digital piracy on an industrial scale,” the complaint alleged. “Without any license or any payment to authors or publishers, IA scans print books, uploads these illegally scanned books to its servers, and distributes verbatim digital copies of the books in whole via public-facing websites. With just a few clicks, any Internet-connected user can download complete digital copies of in-copyright books.” More generally, “CDL is an invented paradigm that is well outside copyright law ... based on the false premise that a print book and a digital book share the same qualities.”

The Internet Archive isn’t the only library or organization interested in CDL, and its benefits go beyond simple piracy. As a 2021 New Yorker article outlines, licensed ebooks give publishers and third-party services like OverDrive almost absolute control over how libraries can acquire and offer ebooks — including letting them set higher prices for libraries than they would for other buyers. (In 2021, Sen. Ron Wyden (D-OR) and Rep. Anna Eshoo (D-CA) took publishers to task for “expensive, restrictive” licensing agreements.) Libraries don’t own the ebooks in any meaningful sense, making them useless for archival purposes and even letting publishers retroactively change the text of books. And many books, particularly obscure, older, or out-of-print ones, don’t have official ebook equivalents.

Publishers can offer unique benefits, too, like the obvious fact that they let libraries get around literally scanning the books. Unofficial scans are sometimes rough and inconvenient compared to, say, a neatly formatted Kindle title. Even in a world where CDL was uncontroversial, many libraries might choose to go with official licensed versions. But there are clear reasons why libraries would want the option to digitize and lend their own books, too. CDL advocates argue it’s philosophically akin to conventional lending, which also lets lots of people access the same book while only purchasing it once.

The legal situation is much dicier and depends on how you interpret earlier cases about US fair use rules, which let people use copyrighted material without permission. On one hand, the publishers’ reference to “illegally scanned books” notwithstanding, courts have protected the right to digitize books without permission. A 2014 ruling found that fair use covered a massive digital preservation project by Google Books and HathiTrust, which scanned a vast number of books to create a database with full searchable text.

“The Open Library is not a library, it is an unlicensed aggregator and pirate site.”

On the other, services like ReDigi — which let people place music files that they owned in a digital “locker” and sell them — have been shut down by courts. So have services like Aereo, which tried to get around paying rebroadcasting fees by receiving individual over-the-air TV signals from tiny antennas and streaming them to subscribers. Both cases involved someone trying to use a digital file in an unapproved way, and neither made much progress. CDL legal theorists argue that the ReDigi case doesn’t spell doom for unauthorized library ebook lending, but until a court rules, we won’t know.

The publishers’ complaint also relies heavily on arguing the nonprofit Internet Archive isn’t running a real library. As one header put it, “The Open Library is not a library, it is an unlicensed aggregator and pirate site.” Among other things, publishers argue that the organization is a commercial operation that’s received affiliate link revenue and has received money for digitizing library books. In a response, the Internet Archive says it’s received around $5,500 total in affiliate revenue and that its digital scanning service is separate from the Open Library.

American fair use law depends on balancing several factors. That includes whether the new work is transformative — basically, whether it serves a purpose different from the copyrighted work it’s using — as well as how it affects the original work’s value and whether the new work is a commercial product. (Contrary to one popular misconception, commercially sold work isn’t automatically disqualified from fair use protections.) Whatever judgment a court makes will be specific to the Internet Archive’s fairly unique situation.

But the ruling may lay out broader principles and reasoning that could affect any attempt to repurpose physical books in ways publishers don’t approve of. Digital rights organization Fight for the Future has supported the Internet Archive with a campaign called Battle for Libraries, arguing that the lawsuit threatens the ability of libraries to hold their own digital copies of books. “Major publishers offer no option for libraries to permanently purchase digital books and carry out their traditional role of preservation,” the site notes. “It’s important that libraries actually own digital books, so that thousands of librarians all over are independently preserving the files.”

And if the Internet Archive loses the case, it could potentially be on the hook for billions of dollars in damages. That could threaten other parts of its operation like the Wayback Machine, which preserves websites and has become a vital archival resource.

Either way, it’s a potentially landmark copyright case — and the arguments of both sides are getting their first real test later today.
 
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While the archive is useful for non-controversial and obscure media that nobody gives a shit about anything that could be relevant to much today has a chance of being taken offline. Enemy of my enemy in this case but they are not "based" haven't been since maybe the 2000s. They even let DMCA shit run rampant on there. Companies remove media from the platform that they don't even give people access too anymore but they want to greedily hog it.
 
If I remember correctly, the Internet Archive is owned by Taylor Lorenz's uncle. It doesn't work on here either due explicitly to a decision made by Internet Archive itself.
Was going to come in here to say this. The Internet Archive is anything but based. Which bums me out to say, because it used to be my go to source for audience recordings for a number of different bands many years ago.
 
While the archive is useful for non-controversial and obscure media that nobody gives a shit about anything that could be relevant to much today has a chance of being taken offline. Enemy of my enemy in this case but they are not "based" haven't been since maybe the 2000s. They even let DMCA shit run rampant on there. Companies remove media from the platform that they don't even give people access too anymore but they want to greedily hog it.
Thats more the fault of greedy mega corporations than the fault of the Internet Archive itself, unless they are taking things down on ideological grounds such as Moon Man or Murdoch Murdoch?
 
If a publisher isn't publishing your books, it isn't because you're trans; it's because you're a shit writer. Apparently trans writers being shit writers is a common thing if this retard can't find any trans authors actually published.
Hang this on a billboard for the decrepit trannies to read and weep
I just wish they wouldn't apply their faggoty book lending program to books and other media that are clearly OOP. No one wants to pay or "borrow" pages from things like fucking magazines that haven't printed in 30 years. At the same time, there's tons of shit on there that's clearly not "lost" or OOP and can be legally purchased, shit they should've taken down to avoid any of these legal hassles. I almost suspect they let any "pirated" video content stay up because the trade off is dealing with their dogshit video player.

About as gay as not formatting the article, nigger brain.

my sides again; when say nigger you think you get bigger
Copyrights are gay and cringe
fuck yeah
 

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Unsurprisingly, Internet Archive lost:
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IA is/was faggoty for removing the farms, but it’s a great way to find rare/lost broadcasts and movies.

Fuck the modern internet, man.
 
Some fat faggot named Rick weighs in.
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Does the precedent this sets effect us or archive.today at all?
It shouldn't. This is about books that require payment to be read, not about publicly-available Internet content that can be accessed without purchase (which is the only content archive.today can archive).
In any case, the best defense is fair use via commentary, as Null explains here, regardless if the material is paywalled or not.
 
Unsurprisingly, Internet Archive lost:
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IA going under is no shock, but it does set a bad precedent as to what the future of archiving storage could do when it’s totally lost and/or controlled by higher ups that will use this as an excuse to take down smaller sites with the intention of wanting to archive sites.

Either way, this is (slightly) concerning.
 

Today’s lower court decision in Hachette v. Internet Archive is a blow to all libraries and the communities we serve. This decision impacts libraries across the US who rely on controlled digital lending to connect their patrons with books online. It hurts authors by saying that unfair licensing models are the only way their books can be read online. And it holds back access to information in the digital age, harming all readers, everywhere.

But it’s not over—we will keep fighting for the traditional right of libraries to own, lend, and preserve books. We will be appealing the judgment and encourage everyone to come together as a community to support libraries against this attack by corporate publishers.

We will continue our work as a library. This case does not challenge many of the services we provide with digitized books including interlibrary loan, citation linking, access for the print-disabled, text and data mining, purchasing ebooks, and ongoing donation and preservation of books.

Statement from Internet Archive founder, Brewster Kahle:

“Libraries are more than the customer service departments for corporate database products. For democracy to thrive at global scale, libraries must be able to sustain their historic role in society—owning, preserving, and lending books.
“This ruling is a blow for libraries, readers, and authors and we plan to appeal it.”
 
If a publisher isn't publishing your books, it isn't because you're trans; it's because you're a shit writer. Apparently trans writers being shit writers is a common thing if this retard can't find any trans authors actually published.
Or you're not trying hard enough. I know a few "published authors" and they're mostly crappy virtue signaling cucks; or they're self-publishing... or, my personal favorite, self-publishing while pretending to have a literary agent.

It's not fucking hard to do the work these days, like many creative endeavors you have to eat a lot of dirt or suck a lot of cock to make it in this sort of space.

What makes me mad about the whole situation is that Internet Archive is the biggest, most brazen piracy site on the planet... but also the holder of the only copy of the "Wayback Machine" WWW archives. When they go out and poke the bear over how many copies of Harry Potter And The Dangerous Dildo they can loan out simultaneously, they're putting the actually valuable and irreplaceable parts of their operations at risk too.
This is the part that pisses me off the most. I remember offending the shit out of some Internet Archive folks on social media by "agreeing" with them blacklisting the farms due to the pragmatism of not wanting to screw the pooch on thier other more important projects. What's one despicable website vs all the other work the IA does, right? Best sock ever burned, best block ever earned.

The internet archive, despite it's beginnings, have fully metamorphosed into a bunch of cucks. In the past they cucked to the Church of Scientology; they excluded the farms to cover for the Keffal's crowd; and they cover for Taylor Lorenz by excluding her "social media" from the archive... either due to connections or on principle.

Also, knowing how the IA volunteers work, they'll slip an archive of stuff they have to delete out the back door to archivists in freer jurisdictions. The datalove is still strong.
 
*sigh* I feel two-sided on my opinions on this.
On the one hand: it does feel like a way to hopefully put to rest all of the trans plauge on this website and restart it from scratch.
On the other: it will be a massive blow to how copyright is handled in America, and one step closer to possibly outright deleting fair use out of existence. (Already got the bootlickers to thank for the current state of it) Not to mention its the only place where some works are seen to this day...and even now, they're starting to vanish.
All I'm really hoping for is that the Wayback Machine doesn't get destroyed as a result. The books and stuff are one thing, but internet history itself?....yeah, we really are trying to erase the past.
 
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yep, normies waking up to the issue.

Copyright

It's a domino effect so you better be prepped when it happens.

(full attack from any all activists on any & all archives of information / Copyrighted Material)


Fuck the internet archive, tranny shielding shitheads. Hope they get sued so hard they end up going under. I've got way better sources to pirate my shit from that don't bend the knee to the troon lobby.
I am neutral on the issue but, know normies will forget in a week or month about the issue till the next domino falls.

the main issue is copyright rules which you have a good year to 2 years to attack because Mouse is weakened to lobby copyright .
 
Fuck the internet archive, tranny shielding shitheads. Hope they get sued so hard they end up going under. I've got way better sources to pirate my shit from that don't bend the knee to the troon lobby.
I wouldn't count on them going under from this, it is likely that statutory damages will be unavailable as a result of 17 USC 504(c)(ii).

The court shall remit statutory damages in any case where an infringer believed and had reasonable grounds for believing that his or her use of the copyrighted work was a fair use under section 107, if the infringer was: (i) an employee or agent of a nonprofit educational institution, library, or archives acting within the scope of his or her employment who, or such institution, library, or archives itself, which infringed by reproducing the work in copies or phonorecords;

Statutory damages are the real assfucker when it comes to copyright damages, without them, the only damages available are actual damages, which are nearly impossible to prove in most cases, and never as much as much as what's available under statutory damages. The best thing the publishers can reasonably hope for would be licensing fees from the libraries that joined IA's digital lending program and an injunction.

*sigh* I feel two-sided on my opinions on this.
On the one hand: it does feel like a way to hopefully put to rest all of the trans plauge on this website and restart it from scratch.
On the other: it will be a massive blow to how copyright is handled in America, and one step closer to possibly outright deleting fair use out of existence. (Already got the bootlickers to thank for the current state of it) Not to mention its the only place where some works are seen to this day...and even now, they're starting to vanish.
All I'm really hoping for is that the Wayback Machine doesn't get destroyed as a result. The books and stuff are one thing, but internet history itself?....yeah, we really are trying to erase the past.
This changes nothing about US Copyright. The reason why this is so unsurprising is because it's nearly the exact same facts as ReDigi, which is controlling precedent in the Second Circuit. It's 100% likely that the Second Circuit Court of Appeals will affirm the district court in this case.

Also, I wouldn't count on the Supreme Court overturning this case either. They would have to either completely re-define the definition of "copy" or interpret the first-sale doctrine in such a way that it essentially grants a license to the contents of a work, or something else equally retarded.
 
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