Russian Special Military Operation in the Ukraine - Mark IV: The Partitioning of Discussion

[Whoopsie Daisy]

I think the idea comes from the reverse direction. It's the common cope excuse whenever America fails in a conflict ("we would have won Vietnam/Afghanistan if not for those stupid rules of engagement!").

That's because you can't win a war without rules of engagement. If you show yourself to be more brutal and lawless to those who are meant to see you as a protector, more so if you are an invading force, the people you are trying to rescue will turn against you.

America were told from Day 1 of the Afghan conflict DO NOT GO KILLING PEOPLE WITHOUT REASON. They then went on to decimate the countryside, level mountains, kill children, murder innocents and even annihilate a few allied troops while they were out there.

That's nothing to mention the sheer insult to all sides of the conflict that was moving the withdrawal date. The most stupid move imaginable and they did it. If not for the Talibans' massive PR win thanks to that debacle, they would have slaughtered ten's of thousands of people and troops.

 

[Feline Supremacist]

M113 lives up to nickname of aluminium coffin:

https://t.me/Slavyangrad/14943

Captured M113-What's inside

https://t.me/the_Right_People/14862

Earlier from @brussif, can't recall when but this thing was being used by the AFU for some time, and its efficacy was already known

And this whole thing could've been over last year if it wasn't for our retarded former Prime Minister sticking his shabby dick into affairs where it didn't belong and prolonging the suffering of these nations.

The hatred of Westminster is mutual.

Putin pls give 10 years notice

This was a post I made awhile ago the politics thread and I feel it fits with the discussion of the decay within the US army.

I don't think they understand how much the US is hated by other nations and their peoples, because the scummy shit our government has done is not forgotten.

Biden also invited in a lot of them in, no questions asked. No other nation in history has actively sought to have a potential fifth column inside their borders without it backfiring, Interesting times indeed.

 

[Rubick]

A military historian/author named "Tom Cooper" has ripped Arabs at War a new asshole multiple times.

Tom Cooper is a about as much of historian as Mike Sparks. Secondly he's has lied multiple times in regards where he been. On top of that he's Iran-Iraq accounts and general writings are bunch of fucking make believes.

 

[Cold Root Beer]

M113 lives up to nickname of aluminium coffin

Feline, you're a good poster and I like you. But I swear to god, if you ever besmirch the M113 Gavin again, I don't think I'll be able to contain my rage. Once America decides to send the almighty AeroGavins to Ukraine, Putler is FINISHED

 

[CaptainAutism69]

The BBC are reporting that the begger of kevin is saying no spring offensive unless he gets more weapons from the west.

 

[Yak-130 Mitten]

Feline, you're a good poster and I like you. But I swear to god, if you ever besmirch the M113 Gavin again, I don't think I'll be able to contain my rage. Once America decides to send the almighty AeroGavins to Ukraine, Putler is FINISHED

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M113 isn't a terrible vehicle, but in the neverending cycle of western wunderwaffles, recently some pro-ukrainians started praising M113 as a tool to end russian aggression. How? I don't fucking know, your guess is as good as mine. Some basic armor is better than no armor, but thin sheet of metal isn't stopping a 30mm APHE round. My next modelmaking adventure will be a war diorama from ukraine, with an M113 destroyed in a field and a chad T-72 looking over it.

The BBC are reporting that the begger of kevin is saying no spring offensive unless he gets more weapons from the west.

Ukrainians tried offensives. This entire week they've been trying and trying across multiple fronts, and most they gained were a few villages before the offensive stalled and eventually returned to starting positions.

 

[White_N]

Ukraine's debt at the end of the year rose to 90% of GDP and amounted to 132 billion dollars, but

Ukraine's creditors have allowed it to not repay debts until 2027.

Update: I have no idea what's going on. You can clearly see the link text and the title of the article, but that article no longer exists.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...reditors-extend-kyiv-s-payment-freeze-to-2027

Bloomberg.com

Bloomberg delivers business and markets news, data, analysis, and video to the world, featuring stories from Businessweek and Bloomberg News

www.bloomberg.com

articles/2023-03-25/ukraine-latest-creditors-extend-kyiv-s-payment-freeze-to-2027



Ukraine agreed to a new $15.6 billion loan from the IMF this week.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...15-6-billion-imf-loan-first-for-nation-at-war

Jew York Slimes? Reeee!

Average Chad Imperial Guard battlefield life expectancy: 15 hours.
The virgin hohol: 4 hours.

The IG was against orks, kek. Imperial Guard is the redshirt faction known for being disposable and endless.

Hohols cant melee.

 

[Falcos_Commisar]

Tom Cooper is a about as much of historian as Mike Sparks. Secondly he's has lied multiple times in regards where he been. On top of that he's Iran-Iraq accounts and general writings are bunch of fucking make believes.

Incorrect he backs up everything he says with documented sources.

Plus his writings on the Ukrainian war have been excellent.

Some people hate him because he doesn't bullshit and refuses to spout propaganda from any side. Oh and he hates the Austrian government

 

[Sister Miriam Godwinson]

The BBC are reporting that the begger of kevin is saying no spring offensive unless he gets more weapons from the west.

Funny. There was this article I decided not to post yesterday because it comes from an absolute tabloid of a Russian newspaper, but now that the BBC is corroborating, here it is.

 

[Feline Supremacist]

WAR CAT FOR MARCH 25 2023

Tanker cat

 

[Rubick]

Incorrect he backs up everything he says with documented sources.

No he doesn't. Even this days he writes shit without doing any research or look at the source.

Never mind he's work on Iraq-Iran conflict is fiction.

 

[Jarolleon]

Yanks are more and more reminding me of Spain in the mid 1600's..still very formidable, but overstretched, increasingly bankrupt, engaged everywhere and faced with rising enemies it cant hope to match

And an economy propped up by inflating the world reserve currency, though Spain was extracting it from the New World rather than fabricating it.

 

[Yak-130 Mitten]

There is a dedicated thread for weapon spergery now: https://kiwifarms.net/threads/debat...-different-kinds-of-ammo-and-weaponry.158848/

 

[Harvard Covington III]

One of our people is over in the Defensive Ukraine Thread, behaving as a lolcow. We are better than this!

https://kiwifarms.st/threads/ukrain...nst-the-russian-invasion.150025/post-15702406

We are winning this war very bigly and very strongly like nobody has ever seen before. There's no need to poke the chimps in their containment enclosure.

Let's not piss the mods off to the point that they just ban both threads completely.

 

[Iron Jaguar]

Never mind he's work on Iraq-Iran conflict is fiction.

"HIS", you illiterate peasant.

 

[Male Idiot]

One of our people is over in the Defensive Ukraine Thread, behaving as a lolcow. We are better than this!

https://kiwifarms.st/threads/ukrain...nst-the-russian-invasion.150025/post-15702406

We are winning this war very bigly and very strongly like nobody has ever seen before. There's no need to poke the chimps in their containment enclosure.

Let's not piss the mods off to the point that they just ban both threads completely.

I wanted to put that 40k snippet in for them and get the most negrates and seethes ever, but we should not make trouble for the mods. Remember the rule, look, but don't touch the autism. And to be taking the Ukraine as the winner in this scenario is quite a lot of autism.

What are people's thoughts on the leaked mossad report? Is it true? CCCP or CCP propaganda?

Edit to clarify, can we know if it was really Mossad? Most articles are (((Western))) and say its from Turkey.
I could just make a pdf, Google translate it to hebrew, and print it out. How authentic could it be?

 

[Yak-130 Mitten]

I wanted to put that 40k snippet in for them and get the most negrates and seethes ever, but we should not make trouble for the mods. Remember the rule, look, but don't touch the autism. And to be taking the Ukraine as the winner in this scenario is quite a lot of autism.

What are people's thoughts on the leaked mossad report? Is it true? CCCP or CCP propaganda?

Well, its Mossad. You can say a lot about jews, but their special service is really good. I am inclined to believe.

 

[Romeo]

Update from last Wednesday.

Overview of the Invasion​

Summary​

• Not much has happened these three days. Although the Armed Forces of Ukraine (AFU) has pushed back several Russian assaults and is licking its wounds in Zaporizhzhya, the Russian Armed Forces and Wagner Group have advanced further into Bakhmut and around Andiivka.

Russian Armed Forces Commands​

Don't focus on the meaning of the names too much; the names of the Russian command groups don't corroborate with their actual locations and directions.

• Zapad (Запад, West; controls the Russian Armed Forces at the Kupyansk Front in Kharkiv Oblast)
• Tsentr (Центр, Center; controls the Russian Armed Forces at the Kreminna Front in Luhansk Oblast/northern Donetsk Oblast)
• Yug (Юг, South; controls the Russian Armed Forces at Bakhmut and Andiivka/North Donetsk) - the most competent and efficient of the five
• Vostok (Восток, East; controls the Russian Armed Forces at Zaporizhzhya Oblast, Vuhledar, and South Donetsk)
• Dnipro (Днепр; Dnieper River; controls the Russian Armed Forces at Kherson Oblast)

Zaporizhzhya Oblast​

• Following the failed offensive to take nearby villages, the AFU has re-concentrated their forces in Orikhiv and have dugged in the village of Novodanilovka in the south. Fighting is still reported south of Novodanilovka.

Central Donetsk Oblast​

Donetsk (including Andiivka)​

• Russian Armed Forces under Yug Command have secured the village of Novobakhmutivka, a village northeast of Andiivka, a Ukrainian stronghold that is used for shelling Donetsk in the south since 2014, capturing most of the Western outskirts of the village, advancing closer to the H20 highway. Russian troops has also secured Krasnohorivka.
• The Russian Armed Forces are now pushing towards Novokalynove, a village across the H20 highway west of Novobakhmutivka and north of Krasnohorivka.
• The AFU have pushed away infantry under Yug Command back to the railway line, and thus, away from capturing Stepove. Despite this, the railway line to supply Andiivka is still useless as it is under control of the Russians.
• West of Andiivka, Russian troops under Yug Command are reported to be advancing towards Lastochkyne, bypassing the Ukrainian defense of Sjeverne and Tonenke more west of their positions. Fighting between the AFU and Russian troops have occurred here. If captured, Andiivka is practically encircled as Lastochkyne contains the main road (O0542) in and out of Andiivka for the Ukrainian side.
• Russian Armed Forces and the militia of the Donetsk's People Republic have captured more areas of Pervomaiske, a suburb northwest of Donetsk.

Northeast Andiivka

Northwest Donetsk

Bakhmut​

• With the threat of a large Ukrainian counter-offensive to reinforce Bakhmut and surrounding regions looming, the Wagnerites and the Russian Armed Forces under Yug Command are cautious in advancing to take more land for the whole week.
• The Wagner Group is speculated to push to Kostyantynivka, a city southwest of Bakhmut, as fighting is reported by the Ukrainian Ministry of Defense in villages east of the city.
• Fighting is still an intensive stalemate between the Wagnerites and the AFU in the southern outskirts of Ivanivskye, a suburb west of Bakhmut.
• Wagnerites in South Bakhmut have managed to push further north, advancing past Mariupolska Street, capturing School Nº 5 in a combined attack from the south and the east across the Bakhmutovka River. The Wagnerites are now reaching the first buildings close to the Bus Station, making them reach the central part of Bakhmut.
• Wagnerites in North Bakhmut have pushed southwards, capturing more of the wetlands west of the Bakhmutovka River, allowing them to be able to flank the AZOM plant from the east. Fighting between Wagner Group and AFU forces have begun in the Makeyevka Metalwork Plant.
• The AFU has managed to push back the Wagnerites from the O0506 road again, which goes between Chasiv Yar and Khromove, a northwestern suburb of Bakhmut, and functions as a supply and escape route for the AFU garrison in Bakhmut. Fighting is still intense in capturing Khromove, with Wagner units actively pushing to capture the road.
• Fighting intensified in Bohdanivka, Hryhorivka, Orikhovo-Vasylivka, and Minkivka, villages northwest of Bakhmut, where if captured by Wagner, the Russians have a defensive line via the canal.

North Bakhmut

Southeast Bakhmut

Northwest Bakhmut

Luhansk Oblast and North Donetsk Oblast​

• Stalemate between the Ukrainian Army and the Russian Armed Forces under Tsentr Command at the Kreminna front.

Kharkiv Oblast​

• Stalemate between the Ukrainian Army and the Russian Armed Forces under Zapad Command at the Kupyansk front.

Kyiv​

• The Ministry of Defense of Ukraine misinformed the public that Russian troops under Dnipro command has evacuated Nova Kakhovka in Kherson Oblast south of the Dnipro River and looted the town.
• Archive - https://ghostarchive.org/archive/wirN0
• The General Staff of Ukraine retracted, stating that Nova Kakhovka is still under Russian control.
• Archive - https://ghostarchive.org/archive/CrljC

Sevastopol, Crimea​

• Three Ukrainian naval drones attempted to strike positions but were all shot down. It is suspected that the drones were a probing attack for a larger combined assault of drones and missiles. Sevastopol is the home port of the Black Sea Fleet, one of the four historic fleets of Russia, and of which it has conducted operations against Ukraine and lost its flagship, the Slava-class cruiser Moskva, last year.

Moscow​

• President of Russia Vladimir Putin signed an agreement with President of China Xi Jinping for Russia to use the Chinese Yuan as an international currency in settlements with other countries in Asia, Africa, and Latin America with the main goal of weakening the U.S. dollar. The leaders also pledged for more cooperation between Russia and China, with the goal to increase trade volume between the two countries. This was done in the three day visit by Xi Jinping to Russia.
• Archive - https://archive.ph/LM5TK

Sources​

DPA​

• Archive - [ Avdiivka Front ] UKRAINE SECURES STEPOVE - Russia swing North towards Lastochkyne from City's SW
• Archive - WAGNER GOING STRAIGHT FOR KONSTYANTYNIVKA - Misinfo SNAFU [ Ukraine SITREP ] Day 392-393 (22-23/3)

Weeb Union​

• Russian Forces Capture Novobakhmutivka | Quick Update 23/03/23 (No archive - Archives keep breaking for me trying to load it)
• Archive - Full Front Update 24/03/23 | Topographic Analysis
• Archive - Wagner Breaksthrough Southern Bakhmut Reaching The Center | Full Front Update 25/03/23

Other Interesting Stuff​

Mariupol Reconstruction Efforts (Wholesome Russian Propaganda)​

Mariupol Video​

Archive - MARIUPOL Restoration REPAIR Life of the city today 22.03.23

Archive - MARIUPOL today Restoration and Life of the city 25.03.23

Walk and Talk​

Archive - WHAT AND HOW ARE THE APARTMENTS OF MARIUPOL RESIDENTS REPAIRED

Archive - INSIDE THE MARIUPOL BOARDING SCHOOL FOR ADULTS

Reliable Sources for Updates​

• DPA: https://www.youtube.com/@dpa-war/featured
• HistoryLegends: https://www.youtube.com/@historylegends
• Weeb Union: https://www.youtube.com/@WeebUnionWU

Reporters​

• Rybar, a pro-Russian source: https://t.me/s/rybar
• Deep State UA, a pro-Ukrainian source: https://twitter.com/Deepstate_UA
• Suriyak, a neutral source: https://twitter.com/suriyakmaps

Ministries of Defense​

• Russia: https://t.me/mod_russia_en (requires Telegram app)
• Ukraine: https://t.me/s/landforcesofukraine

Off-Topic​

Israel x Russia​

The US has lost Saudi Arabia, which in normal times would be an Earth shattering geo political catastrophe for the west, but we're so far gone we barely take notice. Iran and Russia combined now control Iraq and most of Syria, The whole point of the neocon project was to use American hegemonic dominance to impose a new security order on the middle east and to protect and ultimately expand the state of Israel because Jews. Instead all their gay ops has only served to bleed the US dry and Israel will now have to deal with potentially hostile states on all sides with no American security guarantees. It's starting to dawn on Israeli politicians that their dreams of regime change in Tehran are now dead and it's probably time to start making nice.

As I stated before, Russia is one of Israel's most prominent allies, and Israel needs Russia because they need a mediator when discussing relations with Syria and Iran. Israel is more loyal to Russia than it is to America (and also respects them more), as a lot of Israeli officials including the sitting Prime Minister Benjamin 'Bibi' Netanyahu criticized Yair Lapid (PM before Bibi) for antagonizing Russia during the Invasion. The relationship is mutual, as President Putin has also apologized for Sergey Lavrov's remarks that Adolf Hitler "had Jewish blood" and the "biggest anti-Semites tend to be Jews" to the previous Prime Minister Naftali Bennett (PM before Lapid). Israel has still cucked the United States of America in refusing to give military equipment to Ukraine. Israel is most likely to join the Russia-China-India-Saudi Arabia-Iran bloc. And hey, realpolitik includes contradictions, and I doubt the Israelis will care that their partners would have to be Iran.

Moldova and Transnistria​

You know what I just realized?

It's been like 2 weeks since we've had any info about Romania/Moldova/Transnistria. What's going on there, I wonder?

There are still pro-Russian protests in Moldova. The Ukrainian effort to launch a force to invade Transnistria for more ammunition is either a bluff or still under preparation. My thoughts on the unification between Moldova and Romania is only a scenario, nothing more than that.

 

[Male Idiot]

So Israel has two greates allies? I mean I wouldn't be surprised. Say what you want about (((them))) but the jews aren't stupid. Playing both sides would sound like a good idea. Having someone to wrangle the muslims also sounds like a wise idea.

Orbán is often deferential to "Bibi" . Huh. Could his neutrality orders came from Jerusalem I mean Tel Aviv?

 

[Ashkenazi Porn Actress]

I was particularly surprised by the younger two on the panel with this German student calling allegations of there being Nazis in the Ukraine as "propaganda". Of all the things that are easy to verify are true, the Nazi leanings of Azov et al. are pretty much at the top. He also came out with stuff like "framing the allies for Dresden" [WWII firebombing] which is actually alarming - what kind of revisionism is going on here?

You have to understand, as a Germany university student he was essentially exposed to nothing but atrocity propaganda directed against his own nation as "history" for the last few years of his schooling and the university ecosystem is left-liberal at best and outright left-wing radical at worst.
Acknowledging that a lot of the supposed "good guys" on the Ukranian side are the kind of outright hardcore nationalists that would make him both sneer and shit his pants would result in a mental blue screen.
And the Dresden thing hinges on the fact that radical right-wingers have been using Dresden as a symbol for Allied war crimes against the German population for decades. His ideological presupposition require him to even deny that the Allies did anything wrong or he risks another mental BSOD.