Do women at large need to lie to men "for their safety"?

[Zero Day Defense]

How does one maintain that you mustn't be direct in setting boundaries with men (e.g. via clear rejection of romantic/sexual advances) in order to not get murdered, but then also not avoid men in general, lie to them about other things unrelated to boundaries, and speak obliquely with other women in addition to men?

EDIT: clarity

 

[SofondaCox]

Women have been getting merked by males for millenia. We have an evolutionary hypervigilance due to this (also probably why we are such adept troonspotters). We need this tool less than ever before, and that's good news for the species.

 

[DumbDude43]

I haven't said that it's easier to be man. My original post was a rejection of the notion that the streets are safer for men. The fact stands: men are more likely to be victims of random violent crime than women.

it's not quite as simple as that

in terms of raw total crime stats you are right, men get victimized a lot more than women, but that does not tell the whole story because a big part of violent crime between men is essentially criminal-on-criminal violence.
like, rival drug dealers beefing over territory, or some junkie sticking up a dealer, etc. this stuff doesn't really apply to non criminal men, but it all still feeds into the total "men victimized by violent crime" stats, which makes these numbers not very useful for the argument you're trying to make (risk of criminal victimisation for random civilian men/women)

sadly i don't think there is a way to get more detailed statistics on this. there's no way to filter out all the cases from the data where the victim was himself a violent criminal.

 

[The Ugly One]

Rape can happen to anyone at anytime.

It's true, I got raped while I was sitting here reading this. You're walking down the street, having a coffee, and boom, rape. On the phone with tech support one minute, rape the next. It's crazy out there.

While you may be at a higher risk of getting your ass handed to you by a guy twice your size, usually altercations like that are easy to prevent in most circumstances, unlike rape.

Most rapes happen when a woman is alone with a man she knows and therefore are entirely preventable. There's a very good reason we used to censure men and women spending time alone together. The problem is that women believe that if you tell them to avoid intrinsically dangerous, sexually exciting situations, you are oppressing them.

The myth that spawned this thread, which is that your average man is just a hair-trigger away from grabbing a woman by the throat, throwing her to the ground, and raping her on the spot, and can only have his animalistic lust restrained by being deceived by the woman about whatever trivial bullshit she's decided to lie about today, is absolute nonsense. Hair-trigger-rage-at-the-truth-rape isn't even a rounding error in crime statistics. "Black man raped black woman while both were drunk" is way more common.

What we are actually dealing with is that the reasons women lie have nothing to do with the immediate threat of rape and everything to do with their batshit neuroses. But when they start to articulate why they lied about the latest thing, they realize the actual reason always sounds insane, so some of them have concocted another lie, which is that they lie constantly so they can avoid getting raped.

Women left out in the cold once again by the patriarchy.

Women totally would have invented the revolver if men had invited them to!

 

[Finger Pistols]

in terms of raw total crime stats you are right, men get victimized a lot more than women, but that does not tell the whole story because a big part of violent crime between men is essentially criminal-on-criminal violence.
like, rival drug dealers beefing over territory, or some junkie sticking up a dealer, etc. this stuff doesn't really apply to non criminal men, but it all still feeds into the total "men victimized by violent crime" stats, which makes these numbers not very useful for the argument you're trying to make (risk of criminal victimisation for random civilian men/women)

Agree, some evidence of that can be seen in the "Post videos of people dying" thread. Most of the men I have seen shot or beaten to death where one of these few options.

1- A guy got stabbed in public for being a loud and annoying retard by a nigga.
2- Gang war/ Violence /Vendetta. Since the only time they attack civilians is to make an example or over a grudge and usually they anger the gang in some way.
3- If you are unfortunate enough to be Mexican or African, you might get beaten and have your face cut from your head for the funny.
4- If you are a pedo in melanated countries they just beat you and set you on fire on the street.

Basically, be a decent human being and you'll probably be fine.

While there are some random attacks by schizos that happen for no reason, the victim is just as likely to be a man or a woman. But if the attacker is a pussy or has a brain, they'll go for women since they usually can't defend themselves. Saw one video where the woman just stood there and took the beating. Another time, I actually saw a nigger get shot for trying to rape or murder an undercover policewoman in the streets. That was a funny one

 

[Day Drinking]

Even the title isn't clear. Who's safety? Do women feel the need to lie, to protect themselves against men?

We all lie or be obscure in uncomfortable/unknown situations to protect ourselves. And if you're not, you're usually being silent to avoid the thing altogether. I'm not sure how deep an answer you're looking for.

We all learn from a young age that people, and especially your peers, are shit. They are looking for any way to gain an advantage to advance their own standing. A person who does not understand how to defend themselves or have basic survival instincts, is going to wind up being taken advantage of. Others become obsessed with the idea everyone is out to get them. It's a constant balancing act.

Women are more likely to lie and take advantage of a man's trust. There's a reason for all the cautionary tales about the downfall of mighty warriors who put their trust into the one person who could hurt them most. This is why stoicism and logical thinking is applauded.

Men are more likely to just take what they want when they know they can. This is due to perceived physical dominance. Again, there's a bunch of tales for this as well, but it has been brought to the forefront by women's movement groups as their go to (NVM the "I can do anything you can do" harpies). Men who do this are more likely to be emotionally imbalanced.

Men can learn to protect themselves from emotional and trust issues. Women have a harder time physically withholding males. There's a power imbalance, which is why men are looked to to be both the shield and the blade. While women provide the emotional support and humanity needed to raise functioning children, and keep their other from going mad.

The movement against toxic masculinity and what it means to be a man is destroying whatever balance has been achieved up to that point. The opposite is the blurring of women's identity (birthing creatures) and essentially saying they are not needed. Dismissing them as an overly emotional burden or being a sexual object.

The nuclear family was demonstrating that these things could be balanced out, even if it wasn't objectively perfect. This can be seen in black and white homes at the time. Sure, there was still rape and other issues. Overall, it was still much better than where we are now. Women and children could walk the streets at any time of day, not having to worry if the guy behind them is following them home. Even if the guy was an assailant, you could trust your neighbors or even random passerbys to step in. This was the rise of superheroes.

A bunch of movements happened, and much of that has been erased/vilified to the point we are now. Distrust is an all time high. Men are overly emotional faggots. Women are lying, manipulative whores. Trannydom has only served to make this worse. The current climax of all the sins of our ancestors decisions.

 

[Zero Day Defense]

Rape actually happens quite often

How often is "five percent of violent crime"?

 

[Apochrypha]

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How often is "five percent of violent crime"?

On a global scale? No.

 

[DumbDude43]

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How often is "five percent of violent crime"?

16 thousand out of 6 million is not 5 percent, it is 0.2 percent

 

[Fount of BadSpeak]

Most women are inherently dishonest in all capacities; just look at the dumb whores like @Apochrypha and @Providence bleating about how deys dun be pressed nd sheeit and that's why they need to lie through their teeth all the time and demonstrate a complete absence of morals; these same women will of course also claim they're equal to men in the same breath they bleat about their inherent inferiority. Again, they're devoid of integrity, and taking anything they say seriously is sheer idiocy. The bleating about the oppression that never was is only utilized by women to justify when they cheat, steal, abandon, kill etc. by pretending it was in response to the evil man's oppression, rather than because they're complete pieces of shit.

If anyone, anywhere, actually believed women were in actual, routine danger from men (they're not), they would be advocating for universal armament for women worldwide, as a 380 acp in every pocket would end this myth of roving bands of rapists overnight. Instead, those same people are almost always staunchly opposed to firearm ownership, because even they don't believe their own bullshit, and will tell any batshit insane lie necessary to avoid accountability for their scummy actions.

 

[Zero Day Defense]

On a global scale? No.

Afghani mujahadeens are not being issued rape visas by the American embassy (or the embassy of whichever country you live in), for you to be worried about the frequency of rape on a global scale.

ADD: That said, I said "at large" in the first place, and there is value in talking about what happens in other cultures along these lines. That said, I expect a society where women are are justifiably or otherwise earnestly fearful of being raped is going to be a peculiarly structured society where women aren't even allowed outside without chaperones.

16 thousand out of 6 million is not 5 percent, it is 0.2 percent

I didn't capture it, but this table tallies up crime overall, and specifically tallies up "violent crime":

while providing this definition:

The majority of crime in America isn't "against the person". I'm inclined to assume that the majority of crime anywhere isn't "against the person".

 

[Apochrypha]

If anyone, anywhere, actually believed women were in actual, routine danger from men (they're not), they would be advocating for universal armament for women worldwide, as a 380 acp in every pocket would end this myth of roving bands of rapists overnight. Instead, those same people are almost always staunchly opposed to firearm ownership, because even they don't believe their own bullshit, and will tell any batshit insane lie necessary to avoid accountability for their scummy actions.

I actually do advocate for guns for all women, we would be much better off. Women do not commit crimes violent or otherwise nearly as frequently as men do. In America it's far safer to be a woman, same with most European countries - but in parts of the world such as the Middle East, Africa and Asia, guns would be a necessity for women.

Men are not allowed to complain about the safest strategies women have developed to say no or get away from unwanted advances.

 

[Fount of BadSpeak]

I actually do advocate for guns for all women, we would be much better off. Women do not commit crimes violent or otherwise nearly as frequently as men do. In America it's far safer to be a woman, same with most European countries - but in parts of the world such as the Middle East, Africa and Asia, guns would be a necessity for women.

Men are not allowed to complain about the safest strategies women have developed to say no or get away from unwanted advances.

This is exactly what I mean; women are equal to men, but also better, but also inferior widdle babies. Just depends on whatever is most convenient to pretend at the moment for these lying cunts. I am curious; where do you advocate for female armament? Because I sure see you bitch about things, but I rarely see you advocating for the obvious, practical solution to your oppression that never has been (but hopefully will be).

Yes, yes I am allowed to complain. Why would I give a fuck what a lying inferior thinks about my behavior? Try developing some morals.

 

[AmberHeardSupporter]

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Yeah, good one.

Women lie constantly, then attempt to blame mAlE vIoLeNcE for their own deceptive behaviour. Fuck off.
Like small children, women are innately unable to accept responsibility for their bad behaviour, so they are compelled to place the blame externally. Women are very cowardly when it comes to honesty.
Here's a tip, ladies: men will be much more enraged at your lies than at an unpleasant truth.

And why is every woman's first defense to fall back on "We lie in case mUh Rape!"? It's just total fucking bullshit. The average Western woman not only will never be raped; she will never be anywhere near even the remote possibility of being raped. You lot seem to believe there are roving packs of men out there, hunting single women in inner city alleys at 2am, and that's utter, utter nonsense. I doubt most of you actually believe the things you say, but the few of you who do are living in a mental prison of your own construction.

This is exactly what I mean; women are equal to men, but also better, but also inferior widdle babies. Just depends on whatever is most convenient to pretend at the moment for these lying cunts. I am curious; where do you advocate for female armament? Because I sure see you bitch about things, but I rarely see you advocating for the obvious, practical solution to your oppression that never has been (but hopefully will be).

Yes, yes I am allowed to complain. Why would I give a fuck what a lying inferior thinks about my behavior? Try developing some morals.

This is why 60 percent of men are single. thank god the suicide rate is through the roof for you bastards

 

[The Ugly One]

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How often is "five percent of violent crime"?

"Wow, that's a lot of white rapes."
looks for the Hispanic column
"Oh."

 

[Apochrypha]

This is exactly what I mean; women are equal to men, but also better, but also inferior widdle babies. Just depends on whatever is most convenient to pretend at the moment for these lying cunts. I am curious; where do you advocate for female armament? Because I sure see you bitch about things, but I rarely see you advocating for the obvious, practical solution to your oppression that never has been (but hopefully will be).

Yes, yes I am allowed to complain. Why would I give a fuck what a lying inferior thinks about my behavior? Try developing some morals.

I don't know what gives you the impression that I'm lying about what happens to women on a global scale. I know it's impossible but imagine you're a woman. How would you feel if random man decided to follow you on the street or grab you, and pester you into fucking him? In public? Anywhere? Obviously you would lie and say something like "I have a boyfriend/I'm married." Because the implication that you "belong" to another man is usually enough to sway them into leaving you be. There are plenty of women who straight up told men to to go fuck themselves and have been beaten afterwards by them or worse. Historically if we make men angry we tend to die.

Men like you who assume all women are lying cunts and deserve the shitty things that happened to them are the reason some of us including myself carry.

 

[Alligator Alcatraz]

Did you read the title, which is the actual question?

Did anybody?


I'm not talking about abusive situations. Women "at large" are not in abusive situations where lying to the man is extremely understandable.

Women that are in abusive situations and have to lie or otherwise be oblique in a bid to protect themselves, presumably say afterwards that they lied in order to evade a specific circumstance or the general threat of abuse from a specific person. When they're being unilaterally abused, they behave consistently with the idea that they have a fear of men, or at least their specific abuser.

bro Women have to live in fear in men. Men kill women. Men rape women. It's not a fear, it's a biological predisposition that protects the race because there are simply more men who utilize their physically-advantageous sexual dimorphism to subjugate and otherwise harm women. Women who function with the instinct of protecting themselves and young of men are those who live and breed to pass it on.

 

[Fount of BadSpeak]

I don't know what gives you the impression that I'm lying about what happens to women on a global scale. I know it's impossible but imagine you're a woman. How would you feel if random man decided to follow you on the street or grab you, and pester you into fucking him? In public? Anywhere? Obviously you would lie and say something like "I have a boyfriend/I'm married." Because the implication that you "belong" to another man is usually enough to sway them into leaving you be. There are plenty of women who straight up told men to to go fuck themselves and have been beaten afterwards by them or worse. Historically if we make men angry we tend to die.

Men like you who assume all women are lying cunts and deserve the shitty things that happened to them are the reason some of us including myself carry.

Your attempts at pretending you're equal, but also inferior, but also better, is why I know you're a liar. I know that expecting you to handle your problems like my "equal" has you whining about your inferiority, even as you claim superiority, but also equality, which is why I call you the liar you are. I'd respect women like you if you acknowledged that you're a bunch of morally deprived children that are incapable of caring for yourselves or defending yourselves. I'm also still wondering where you have ever advocated for female armament as a response to your faux oppression you keep squealing about, because that's another thing I'm pretty damn sure you were lying about as well.

I don't think all women are lying cunts, just the ones who try to pretend that mutually exclusive ideas are simultaneously true; it's not my fault that is most of you. You're either equal, or you are not. You're capable of defending yourselves like men, or you are not. You are inferior, or you are not. Pick one.

 

[The Ugly One]

I don't know what gives you the impression that I'm lying about what happens to women on a global scale. I know it's impossible but imagine you're a woman. How would you feel if random man decided to follow you on the street or grab you, and pester you into fucking him? In public? Anywhere?

You fuck random guys on the street just to get them to stop bothering you?

Obviously you would lie and say something like "I have a boyfriend/I'm married." Because the implication that you "belong" to another man is usually enough to sway them into leaving you be. There are plenty of women who straight up told men to to go fuck themselves and have been beaten afterwards by them or worse. Historically if we make men angry we tend to die.

If you think arguments usually end in murder, I'm wondering if you've ever had a relationship beyond the random street-hookup.

Men like you who assume all women are lying cunts and deserve the shitty things that happened to them are the reason some of us including myself carry.

So, since you carry, and most times a man has gotten angry at you have ended with him trying to murder you, I'm assuming you've put a few men in graves. How many men have you, personally, killed?

 

[Zero Day Defense]

How would you feel if random man decided to follow you on the street or grab you, and pester you into fucking him? In public? Anywhere? Obviously you would lie and say something like "I have a boyfriend/I'm married." Because the implication that you "belong" to another man is usually enough to sway them into leaving you be.

...if someone's determined to commit crime against you, they couldn't give a shit that you have a boyfriend or that you're married. If you were right, then the rapist would would be preemptively deterred by the likelihood of his prospective victim having a father, brothers, or any other male kin.

bro Women have to live in fear in men.

Then, why don't they?

In the West, especially, why do they fraternize with men? Globally, why do they marry men? Why do they allow themselves to be subjugated by men in their most vulnerable positions (especially during sex)? Why do they let men anywhere near the children they have together?

I'm also still wondering where you have ever advocated for female armament as a response to your faux oppression you keep squealing about, because that's another thing I'm pretty damn sure you were lying about as well.

I actually do advocate for guns for all women, we would be much better off. Women do not commit crimes violent or otherwise nearly as frequently as men do.

 

[Apochrypha]

You fuck random guys on the street just to get them to stop bothering you?



If you think arguments usually end in murder, I'm wondering if you've ever had a relationship beyond the random street-hookup.



So, since you carry, and most times a man has gotten angry at you have ended with him trying to murder you, I'm assuming you've put a few men in graves. How many men have you, personally, killed?

I never said this happened to me specifically, it's a hypothetical. Do you not understand hypothetical questions?