Star Wars Griefing Thread (SPOILERS) - Safety off

[Uranus Pink]

The Clone Commando and ARC Trooper discussion makes this short fan film now rather awkward. Knowing the creator got the wrong group doing the mission.

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[LORD IMPERATOR]

The Clone Commando and ARC Trooper discussion makes this short fan film now rather awkward. Knowing the creator got the wrong group doing the mission.

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The thing is, if that was an ARC Trooper squad, they'd do it without question. They'd probably just blow up the building from afar while dressed as some Separatist merc group.

Clone Commandos would probably be sent off to assassinate enemy targets or help with a battle by sabotaging key enemy targets. ARC Troopers might do the same, but they'd also have a healthy dose of war crimes attached to it, especially since unlike the Clone Commandos who were set to a standard of working as a team, ARCs were loners who were more independent-thinking and were closer to Jango Fett in terms of attitude and personality.

Jango Fett is practically an unhinged lunatic in battle; blowing through whole armies while not caring who gets killed in the crossfire so long as the job is done. His assaults on Senator Trell's apartment on Coruscant and the prison in Oovo IV were proof enough that he doesn't give a bantha's ass about who he's killing so long as the mission is done, even if they were police officers and prison guards. That attitude trickled down to the ARCs. This is especially true with the Null-ARCs who were practically killing machines. Basically, if the Clone Commandos were the Republic's answer to the Marines, SAS, or Navy Seals, the ARC Troopers were a mix between irregular shocktroops and Waffen-SS officers.

I remember the discussion between Carth and Canderous over the difference between soldiers and warriors; one follows orders and is mostly a protector of society, while the latter is a killer at heart and will do things as they please. Clone Commandos are the former, a precise tool that affects the battle just as instructed, who work as a team and are as close as brothers. ARC Troopers are the latter, outside of a few instances, they mostly run around blowing shit up and act on their own accord, and they were mostly loners like Jango Fett.

I just played the Geonosis levels for Republic Commando and Battlefront 1 back to back, and I noticed how the playstyle corresponded with the lore; ARC Troopers act on their own to achieve victory and affect the battlefield, whether it's blasting Droidekas, Spider Droids, and SBDs with missiles or laying mines in the path of Hailfire Droids, whereas Clone Commandos are handled by command rather strictly and work together to achieve a goal, whether it be assassinating some Geonosian lieutenant, blowing up a factory, or sabotaging a Trade Federation core ship.

I wish George could have gotten the Clone Wars on Adult Swim or Spike so we could have seen how truly brutal the Clone Wars truly were. Imagine instead of a storyline with space dykes we got to watch the ARC Troopers doing some Phoenix Program operations on a Sepratist controlled planet. Maybe throw a naive padawan into the mix not knowing how to deal with the ARCs assassinating poltical leaders and committing acts of sabotage like bombing a droid factory.

I'd second that notion, except I'd have it so that after the more naive Jedi gets PTSD and burnout from working with the ARCs and leaves, the next batch of Jedi that the show's particular ARC Troopers are stuck with would be the maverick types who were already militant and not too keen on following the Jedi Order's war strategy of showing mercy to the enemy. Just like the ARCs, many of them exhibit militant tendencies not unlike that of Revan during the Mandalorian Wars; choosing victory over honor, not caring about casualties, using torture to extract information, using lower-ranked soldiers and Jedi as cannon fodder, etc..

Then when Order 66 hits, these Jedi reveal to the ARCs that they were in the Chancellor's side this whole time, revealing that they were Dark-Siders all along, and they work with the ARCs to help them infiltrate the Jedi Temple and lead a surprise attack that ends with many Jedi dead. These Dark Jedi then become Inquisitors, and they continue their work with the ARCs, only now with different uniforms.

 

[Adamska]

I wish George could have gotten the Clone Wars on Adult Swim or Spike so we could have seen how truly brutal the Clone Wars truly were. Imagine instead of a storyline with space dykes we got to watch the ARC Troopers doing some Phoenix Program operations on a Sepratist controlled planet. Maybe throw a naive padawan into the mix not knowing how to deal with the ARCs assassinating poltical leaders and committing acts of sabotage like bombing a droid factory.

He wouldn't do that. He clearly wanted to make the show for kids and has even stated that from what I remember when he made that bad movie it started with. Remember he's so autistic when not restrained that he was like "Remember that cheap tv show with the puppets? No not what Jim made, I mean the one that Team America: World Police based its looks on. Yeah Thunderbirds. I want the show to look like that with computers. No I think it'll work, it'll look like a show that would've been quite neat for its time and call back to an earlier age".

 

[Gondolindrim]

I didn't watch Andor so I realize I'm late to the outrage party on this one

First Person To Say "Shit" in Star Wars

#Andor #starwars

www.youtube.com

Call me autistic, but real world swears do not belong in Star Wars. Hell and damn are fine in small doses but "shit?" If the writers aren't skilled enough to come up with non-cringe original expletives then they should fucking put down the pen.

 

[The Foxtrot]

I didn't watch Andor so I realize I'm late to the outrage party on this one

First Person To Say "Shit" in Star Wars

#Andor #starwars

www.youtube.com

Call me autistic, but real world swears do not belong in Star Wars. Hell and damn are fine in small doses but "shit?" If the writers aren't skilled enough to come up with non-cringe original expletives then they should fucking put down the pen.

The worst part is, if the creators were actual fans, they'd know that Star Wars has had its own in-universe catalogue of swears for over 20 years now.

 

[Adamska]

I didn't watch Andor so I realize I'm late to the outrage party on this one

First Person To Say "Shit" in Star Wars

#Andor #starwars

www.youtube.com

Call me autistic, but real world swears do not belong in Star Wars. Hell and damn are fine in small doses but "shit?" If the writers aren't skilled enough to come up with non-cringe original expletives then they should fucking put down the pen.

Because swearing like a sailor means you're a big boy to these fucking idiots' minds. Why write nuance or try two dimensions when you can have the corpsec who works for free clap their arms because "shit" was something people told them not to say back when they were kids?

 

[Mississippi Motorboater]

Call me autistic, but real world swears do not belong in Star Wars. Hell and damn are fine in small doses but "shit?" If the writers aren't skilled enough to come up with non-cringe original expletives then they should fucking put down the pen.

Real men in the Star Wars universe use made-up swears like "kriff" " or "spatz" or "Emperor's Black Bones".

Or if you want to be a real man of culture, use "sleemo"..

 

[samuraicrack]

What a cool guy and definitely not a total fucking loser

 

[Seventh Star]

Unpopular opinion but I like the Clone Wars 3D animation. He really did accomplish what he set out to do.

 

[Ghostse]

What a cool guy and definitely not a total fucking loser

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I too support violence against women.
And just to be clear, before anyone accuses me of being a backwards sexism, I mean women who go out in public with their heads uncovered like sluts and not being escorted by a male relative as Allah intended.

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

The worst part is, if the creators were actual fans, they'd know that Star Wars has had its own in-universe catalogue of swears for over 20 years now.

I mean, you have all sorts of swears, from "schutta" to "poodoo". I'm surprised to one has yet used "schutta" in the new canon. That was a pretty common swear word for KOTOR 2.

 

[The Foxtrot]

I mean, you have all sorts of swears, from "schutta" to "poodoo". I'm surprised to one has yet used "schutta" in the new canon. That was a pretty common swear word for KOTOR 2.

"Kriffing Schutta!"

AKA the Star Wars way of saying "Fucking slut!"?
Don't forget the favorite of Delta Squad, "Fierfek!".


P.S., the Clone Wars TV show from 2008 onwards raped the lore just as bad as Disney did. I wish it had never existed.

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

"Kriffing Schutta!"

AKA the Star Wars way of saying "Fucking slut!"?

Indeed. But then again, I suppose Disney would be leery of curse words aimed at women. Atton Rand would be the kind of guy that they would describe as a toxic male.

Again, this is another reason why I'm happy the EU got discontinued. Mostly because they'd probably re-arrange shit like they're doing now with the KOTOR remake.

Don't forget the favorite of Delta Squad, "Fierfek!".

Yep. The Delta Squad trainers looked at the word and thought about how curious it is that the clones adopted it as a curse word.

P.S., the Clone Wars TV show from 2008 onwards raped the lore just as bad as Disney did. I wish it had never existed.

I wish George Lucas had gotten someone else other than a side dev for the Last Airbender show. The show was nice, but it wasn't what Star Wars was, thematically. Even in its most light-hearted, Star Wars still had a lot of maturity and darkness with it, what with Qui-Gon Jinn dying in TPM and Luke's parents as well as all of Alderaan getting incinerated by the Empire in ANH. GL should've grabbed someone who worked in the DCAU instead. They can work with mature topics while still keeping things kid-friendly.

Of course, my personal choice would've been grabbing Yoshiyuki "Kill 'Em All" Tomino and sticking him in the room with Lucas. That would've been a barrel of laughs, not to mention the Clone Wars would've had the same tone as the Battlefront II and Republic Commando games, which is what it should've had. UC Gundam got the whole "war is hell" mantra right, while still leaving it open for kids to consume, so that they'd still buy those Gundam kits.

 

[Midwit]

UC Gundam got the whole "war is hell" mantra right

UC Gundam is nothing but an unending torrent of unlikeable pricks and bullshit moralfaggotry, and I would like it if you cease posting about it immediately.

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

UC Gundam is nothing but an unending torrent of unlikeable pricks and bullshit moralfaggotry, and I would like it if you cease posting about it immediately.

Mixing Star Wars with the UC Gundam formula would've worked for the Clone Wars show. Star Wars already had its moral messages to preach, messages that were not that far from Gundam's. Both sides had moral messages un common. (War is Hell, don't pollute the environment, fascism is bad, etc.) Not to mention the way UC Gundam has sympathetic faces in both sides (ie. Rambam Ral, Mouar Pharaoh, Lalah Sune, Char Aznable) would fit well with the Clone Wars mantra of "heroes on both sides", a tagline that Filoni referenced but failed to deliver on, what with the Empire and the Separatists both being cartoon villains.

 

[Pinochet Was Right]

The only UC Gundam thing I would like in Star Wars is the mecha profile classification system regarding ships and fighters.

I mean Luke's X-Wing isn't just an X-Wing, it's a T-65 X-Wing Starfighter, thank you very much.
A proper encyclopedia of all variants of cruisers, light freighters, all these unidentified ships seen in the background getting actual profiles which would activate the creativity almonds into making new appearances in new shows and games instead of creating a thousand new designs that were never in the movies

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

The only UC Gundam thing I would like in Star Wars is the mecha profile classification system regarding ships and fighters.

What I like is the writing. Having two sides that have equal parts good and bad makes the war more fleshed out and interesting, as opposed to making one side standard hero characters and another side be cartoon villains.

I mean Luke's X-Wing isn't just an X-Wing, it's a T-65 X-Wing Starfighter, thank you very much.
A proper encyclopedia of all variants of cruisers, light freighters, all these unidentified ships seen in the background getting actual profiles which would activate the creativity almonds into making new appearances in new shows and games instead of creating a thousand new designs that were never in the movies

We had that. They had sourcebooks up the ass. That, and having designs that don't show up in the movies helps to show how big the galaxy really is, which is a good thing. The EU was enriched with designs that show up in different games and books, and those designs show up in future games and books that show how the whole franchise is a universe of its own, as opposed to a mere film series that begins and ends with just the movies.

That's what separated Star Wars from the average sci-fi film series back in the Expanded Universe/George Lucas days. Seeing new versions of TIE Fighters, capital ships, and other pieces of tech, as well as hearing the stories behind them, showed how rich and deep the Star Wars universe was.

 

[Pinochet Was Right]

What I like is the writing. Having two sides that have equal parts good and bad makes the war more fleshed out and interesting, as opposed to making one side standard hero characters and another side be cartoon villains.


We had that. They had sourcebooks up the ass. That, and having designs that don't show up in the movies helps to show how big the galaxy really is, which is a good thing. The EU was enriched with designs that show up in different games and books, and those designs show up in future games and books that show how the whole franchise is a universe of its own, as opposed to a mere film series that begins and ends with just the movies.

That's what separated Star Wars from the average sci-fi film series back in the Expanded Universe/George Lucas days. Seeing new versions of TIE Fighters, capital ships, and other pieces of tech, as well as hearing the stories behind them, showed how rich and deep the Star Wars universe was.

And the only real piece of media where you could truly live and breathe that level of tech was the X-Wing / TIE Fighter trilogy.

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

And the only real piece of media where you could truly live and breathe that level of tech was the X-Wing / TIE Fighter trilogy.

Not really. Other games like Empire at War: Forces of Corruption had tech taken from other games (LOL Dark Troopers, TIE Defenders, and TIE Phantoms) fighting alongside or against stuff made for the game, like the Keldabe-class Battleship or the Crusader-class Gunship. There was even Star Wars: Rebellion which included a shit ton of characters, troop types, and warships straight from other games, novels, and comics. I was exposed to a lot of EU content just by playing that game. It showed me how vast the SW franchise was, that it wasn't just a movie series.

 

[Uranus Pink]

The only UC Gundam thing I would like in Star Wars is the mecha profile classification system regarding ships and fighters.

I mean Luke's X-Wing isn't just an X-Wing, it's a T-65 X-Wing Starfighter, thank you very much.

Iirc Star Wars was using the classification system that is based on in real life classification system(s) before Gundam was created. And classification systems in Sci-fi is almost as old as in real life versions the sci-fi authors took inspiration from.