Ukrainian Defensive War against the Russian Invasion - Mark IV: The Partitioning of Discussion

[DumbDude43]

Taiwan's second largest party unironically supports reunification.

bro taiwans second largest party is the kmt, the same party that fought the civil war against mao
their idea of "reunification" means destruction of the CCP and consolidation of all china under ROC rule

 

[Disheveled-Human]

I get you need to defend your side and I obviously agree shellings kids is always shit and invading is rarely justified but the Vatnigger thread will give plenty of reasons they believe it was justified and one of those reasons is they believe Ukraine was shelling kids in the Donbass for 6,000,000 years before this invasion special military operation but honestly you haven't really addressed anything other than saying "Russia bad" (I agree btw) which is the exact same thing they do about Ukraine in the other thread (also agree with them, both suck). You just proved my point.

I mean Ukraine is not invading Russia and Russia is invading Ukraine for the second time in 8 years, yes Russia fucking bad. Like do you think I would support Ukraine if they were bigger than Russia invading them, No.
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Lets be honest Null seems upset that Russia is not the country that is gonna knock the US and NATO down a few pegs. I understand why someone like him would want such a thing like that to happen because they were the people who black balled him. Now he hopes China can cut the mustard and do it but I just do not really see that happening from at least a conventional war standpoint. China's success is tied into 2 main things, One which is their ability to offload a lot of goods to Western nations and two the ability to exploit their own people and work them to the bone for minimal amounts of money with maximized hours. The average American makes around 45k/yr where as the average Chinese person makes less than 15K/yr, lets not even discuss the Human Rights Index scores.

 

[teriyakiburns]

Lets be honest Null seems upset that Russia is not the country that is gonna knock the US and NATO down a few pegs.

Null is upset because the US massively, repeatedly fucked him over. He already said, ages ago, that Russia being some bastion of tradchristian salvation is a bullshit position, and I don't believe he views China as anything other than a meme either, given how quickly they folded when he tried to use chinese services to protect KF. From his perspective, the US has unlimited power to fuck with anyone, anywhere, at any time. Anyone in that position would be livid and looking for payback. I'm not going to pretend I have any solutions for him, I just disagree with his belief that there's no solution to be found.

 

[Null]

The poisoning being... what?

The systematic rape and mutilation of children and the total obliteration of identity.

he tried to use chinese services to protect KF

What services? .top's owner? We've never tried China.

 

[Übertroon]

his is just American Exceptionalism, but inverted. No, the US hasn't solidified its power over all white countries.

You know, I wasn't entirely sure about this either, but it's pretty evident that their reach is too long when they get to use the banks to fuck with the Vatican and get the conservative pope removed

 

[Null]

You know, I wasn't entirely sure about this either, but it's pretty evident that their reach is too long when they get to use the banks to fuck with the Vatican and get the conservative pope removed

The retards who think the US is just some wayward idealist trying to peace and love the entire world don't really understand how there is one financial system and the US owns it.

See:

What the US envisions for the entire world is an economy that is centrally controlled by an oligarchy of bankers and business men that they permit to exist and be a part of their club. They will form a monopoly on currency by extinguishing alternatives (PMs) and criminalizing other viable alternatives (Crypto). They will use their monopoly on currency to punish and reward individuals and control foreign policy.

The US promotes democracy, not because liberal democracy is the most goodest form of government, but because people vote with their wallets. As long as basic needs are met and people are able to sit in complacency, they will elect parties that undermine their long-term interests. Since all money is pegged to the USD, that means that the US can use sanctions and other economic powers to persuade voters to oust certain parties and bend the democracy to a form more subservient to the US. Liberal democracy and capitalism are effectively a pipeline of submission to the US power structure. The average person is not a champion for ideology or principles, but their own self-interest.

 

[Elämällä on väliä]

Lets be honest Null seems upset that Russia is not the country that is gonna knock the US and NATO down a few pegs.

I think our CPU angel is upset because ruzzia is a shithole and/or every nation who in theory can try to detronize USA is a shithole. Sometimes only with designated shitting streets and go free card for every rapist, sometimes with murderous inclinations when you are not a white monkey or peasant, sometimes it is just Brazil.

If you don't like USA (I'm not a huge fan - it will be nice to live in NYC due to architecture, but not due to the US healthcare or crime rate so I can partially understand why some yankees didn't like their homeland) and you are not delusional enough to think that ruzzia/China/India/whateverland isn't a batshit crazy place you can be depressed. Trully.

For last few pages @Null is goint in strange direction (culture influence of USA is because thay invented currentdate massculture and they make it on some level of quality - no, seriously, just check what are movies from Sweden/India/random country and tell me honestly if this is something better to watch than American Pie or shit from Marvel) but we cannot dismiss that is very few countries that are white, non-muslin and not insane by default without west sphere of influence. Honestly, I cannot recommend any.

 

[namai337]

Now he hopes China can cut the mustard and do it but I just do not really see that happening from at least a conventional war standpoint.

I mean China and PLA is still a huge unknown threat and it should be taken seriously due unlike Russia they do have realistic goals(Asian theater superpower by 2030) and they are properly restructuring their military problem is that a lot of the costs are being spent on new systems and not maintaining old ones unlike US that keeps a good balance on those things. Plus they haven't been deployed anywhere aside the Indian border where they occasionally clash with Indian armed forces in Meele combat but that's it. A bit of speculation they might try their luck with deploying oversees operacion in Africa since they started to offload a lot of business operations there and local warlords are giving them shit and hell they will get a green light from the UN there to bring some law there

 

[Elämällä on väliä]

The retards who think the US is just some wayward idealist trying to peace and love the entire world don't really understand how there is one financial system and the US owns it.

I support USA because they rule is less bloody for Europe than whatever can be offered by competitors. And also when you leave Europeans alone they are starting to kill each other and remilitarize.

I guess LATAM can think different, but honestly - I don't give a fuck how they waste their future (because they be latino in future, and this is how they work).

 

[Null]

I support USA because they rule is less bloody for Europe than whatever can be offered by competitors. And also when you leave Europeans alone they are starting to kill each other and remilitarize.

Okay, so you deserve to be a slave. Anyone who can see what is coming and chooses to embrace it because they don't want to fight at all, then they deserve to be cattle.
"Those who want to live, let them fight, and those who do not want to fight in this world of eternal struggle do not deserve to live."

Just say this instead to succinctly summarize your POV: "I am nigger cattle. Moo!"

 

[Pork Packer]

You are a fucking retard.

Thats nice honey.

Completely wrong. The US has so thoroughly raped the rest of the white world that there is no freedom outside the US itself, except in those countries with governments so weak they cannot yet rape their own citizens.

Ya know assuming this is another "dumb hate speech laws, institutional and gubmint overreach, censorship n shit" reference, I would like to raise the point that homogay shit was actively and aggressively censored en masse by westoid gubmints for a longass time, and yet somehow the literal faggot demographic managed the testicular fortitude to push back against it for decades until they wound up getting their way.

Same with violent movies, vidya games, and edgy music....like censorship being pushed in the name of heavy handed moral puritanism is not exactly a new thing

Countries like Ukraine are subject to CIA color revolution and are thrown into war, and Serbia has already been bombed and I am sure will be bombed again if they do not fold into the EU.

You ever wonder that maybe when a country decides it doesnt want to be russia's unpaid peon, it doesnt exactly need the CIA to motivate it?

Also im pretty sure serbia could have avoided acting like a geopolitical nigger if it didnt want to be bombed. Same reason why cuba, venezuela, and just about every now openly anti burgerland nation in south america to name a few manage to avoid getting carpet bombed despite actively working to screw the US over in its own god given backyard.

You chimp out and start getting creative with other countries borders or start taking cheap shots at burger ships/planes that are near your borders or start openly slaughtering civilians within your borders to the point where it becomes a PR nightmare for the west, you aint got room to whine when your fishy ass gets met by a bigger fish

When they do fold into the EU, they will brain rape their citizens for money just like Germany and France and the UK.

Ya know you sure do like to use the word "rape" a lot to describe shit like "paying high taxes" or "selling shitty consoomer products".

When I left ATL for Odessa, the radio was playing some shit pop song like Despacito. When I arrived in Odessa, the first thing I heard was Despacito at food stall near the gate. Americanism saturates and ruins everything. There is no escaping it.

*gasps in horror*

Shitty cheap pop music is everywhere?!

My lord next it will be that devilish negermusik called "Jazz" playing on every wireless and corrupting the youth

 

[Übertroon]

IAnd also when you leave Europeans alone they are starting to kill each other and remilitarize.

The anglos have at least halted three genuine attempts at forming a unified federal government until the Germans snuck one in during the cold war

 

[namai337]

but we cannot dismiss that is very few countries that are white, non-muslin and not insane by default without west sphere of influence. Honestly, I cannot recommend any.

I mean deep south America in nice (Argentina Chile Bolivia so on) then some north African country's are nice also like Morocco and Egipt maybie try your luck with Saudis or UAE and in asia Thailand and Vietnam.

 

[Null]

Chile

Chile legalized transgender shit and gay adoption just last year. Uruguay has a tranny in congress. We export mental illness to the rest of the world and there is no safe place.

 

[WhiteNight]

I think there are a couple of posters in both threads that are decent and make good pointa. It's a shame there's not a neutral thread because I started this thing supporting Russia out of instinct but I've realised there's a LOT more nuance by actually reading some of the good posts in this thread although I prefer the other.

There's a neutral thread:

https://kiwifarms.st/threads/containment-thread-for-russia-ukraine-faggots-to-bitch-about-whose-shambolic-corrupt-society-is-better-than-the-others.136770/

 

[bango skank]

Okay, so you deserve to be a slave. Anyone who can see what is coming and chooses to embrace it because they don't want to fight at all, then they deserve to be cattle.
"Those who want to live, let them fight, and those who do not want to fight in this world of eternal struggle do not deserve to live."

Just say this instead to succinctly summarize your POV: "I am nigger cattle. Moo!"

you run a website that lets people say nigger, youre not some fucking freedom fighter

 

[Null]

you run a website that lets people say nigger, youre not some fucking freedom fighter

Say whatever it takes for you to justify complacency.

 

[namai337]

you run a website that lets people say nigger, youre not some fucking freedom fighter

Lmao

 

[teriyakiburns]

The systematic rape and mutilation of children and the total obliteration of identity.

Much as I like to blame America for that one, it's a multinational effort, which originated in Europe. America has been a strong vector for transmission, but it's not the only one and in a lot of ways, it's not the most reliable one. A lot of countries - especially south american countries - are emulating European countries when they implement tranny shit. SA in particular are adopting tranny policies to spite the US, not because of its influence; they're labouring under the belief that the tranny shit is a rebellion against US hegemony and the Monroe doctrine.

don't really understand how there is one financial system and the US owns it.

America appears to own it, but as I think I said earlier, the moment the US starts making more than token economics threats against the rest of its western allies, all that stops. America's apparent ownership requires it to be massively exposed to a bunch of risk that it can't control. It wants to; it can't.

 

[Disheveled-Human]

Just say this instead to succinctly summarize your POV: "I am nigger cattle. Moo!"

What choice do most of us really have? The vast majority of people living do not have online businesses and the ability for capital flight to just bounce around from place to place as we see fit. Most people are rooted in place by family and a static job we need to be present at in person, many are financially limited for such a move. Sure I can learn to code but leaving my family and friends behind because I do not particularly agree with the current direction my country is headed in also seems a bit over the top and unhinged. Your situation is Unique to most, your reason for hating western governments is extremely unique to pretty much everyone in the world. I can understand and even sympathize with your reasoning but cannot share the same hate because I am not in your situation. People are not gonna bite the hand that feeds them because who else is gonna support them but their own country.