Star Wars Griefing Thread (SPOILERS) - Safety off

[Oilspill Battery]

It's been my experience that people liked the idea of Mando moreso than the actual show, and the further it deviates from that idea the less people like it.

I mean yeah. I like mando, I don't care about any of the other retarded expanded universe bullshit. The only reason I liked the mandalorian is specifically because it had nothing to do with starwars.

 

[starborn427614]

It's been my experience that people liked the idea of Mando moreso than the actual show, and the further it deviates from that idea the less people like it.

I'll be the first to agree with criticism for this season, but personally I'm a bit far off from this idea. It's not Shakespeare by any means, but so long as it hits the correct beats it's definitely the show itself that grabs my attention and not what-ifs.

 

[jspit2.0]

Yes, that's my point. The first season and a half had actual bounty hunts/mercenary work. Then it devolved into whatever the fuck it is now.

Maybe merc work. He only does Bounties in the first season then its riffing on old plots like defending a space town from space bandits or space Indians.

The first time I ever watched star wars (including the OT) was in 2018-2019 or so, maybe even later, don't remember . I thought the original movies were quaint but fun, I liked the prequels for their worldbuilding and I watched like 1.5 of the sequel trilogy. No other series, no books, no comics, or any of that shit.

I thought the movies and the world were neat, I like western inspired space bounty hunting as a concept so I watched mandalorian literally 4 years after it came out.

I'm not a superfan, and you're genuinely retarded if you think only superfans liked the mandalorian considering its one of the few star wars shows to actually break into the mainstream.

Considering Star Wars was one of the most watched and beloved movies of its time, I'd struggle not to describe it as main stream.

I'm sick and tired of people complaining about this as if Star Wars hasn't had massive ground vehicles since 1980

Fucker I damn well mentioned ATAT's, so you can fuck off with your fucking strawman.

you're effectively asking

No, I'm not effectively anything. I'm stating in a universe with intergalactic space travel you can't fly shit the fuck in when you have bandits.

It's stupid.

why people aren't transporting ore by cargo helicopter rather than asking the far more important question of why the transports didn't have any means of defending themselves despite being ran directly by the military whilst also being constantly attacked by the natives.

Are you...actually a Star Wars fan?

Alright, let's assume, for a second, that we don't talk about the intergalactic empire that has to make planetfall to deliver supplies doesn't just land them at their base. Let's talk about the transport. They have ATAT's!!!!! Remember those? Fucking impervious to small ammo. Or, if it's an issue, there's other walkers.

But the real reason why the Juggernaut battle tank was both unarmed and nerfed was because...

If you're referring to the Tatooine Gun Train then that's a fair complaint since the entire thing is nonsensical and exists solely so that Favreau could homage Lawrence of Arabia despite it making no sense when you think about it as anything more than an action setpiece.

Yes, Favreau was doing it. Alone. And only in that episode.

I mean yeah. I like mando, I don't care about any of the other retarded expanded universe bullshit. The only reason I liked the mandalorian is specifically because it had nothing to do with starwars.

So you don't care about Star Wars? Well, fair enough. The problem is, that expanded universe bullshit? It permeates Mando? The inferno shit? Luke Skywalker? All about the greater universe.

It's tied to rancid shit.

I'll be the first to agree with criticism for this season, but personally I'm a bit far off from this idea. It's not Shakespeare by any means, but so long as it hits the correct beats it's definitely the show itself that grabs my attention and not what-ifs.

There's allot of room between Shakespeare and a live action cartoon that is just thinly strung together action scenes.

 

[Male Idiot]

I don't want Disney to touch the Old Republic era.

They would replace Lana Beniko with a black midget in a wheelchair.

Sithwaifusmatter.

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

I don't want Disney to touch the Old Republic era.

They would replace Lana Beniko with a black midget in a wheelchair.

Sithwaifusmatter.

This is why I prefer the old EU to not be a part of Disney's canon. That would just be the tip of the iceberg for the changes they will make.

 

[The Ugly One]

Are you...actually a Star Wars fan?

Alright, let's assume, for a second, that we don't talk about the intergalactic empire that has to make planetfall to deliver supplies doesn't just land them at their base. Let's talk about the transport. They have ATAT's!!!!! Remember those? Fucking impervious to small ammo. Or, if it's an issue, there's other walkers.

But the real reason why the Juggernaut battle tank was both unarmed and nerfed was because...

The real reason is the same reason behind why AT-ATs look like giant elephants and march directly out of the mist into the hapless rebels. Because the director thought it was cool. It's a perfectly acceptable reason.

 

[Oilspill Battery]

So you don't care about Star Wars? Well, fair enough. The problem is, that expanded universe bullshit? It permeates Mando? The inferno shit? Luke Skywalker? All about the greater universe.

It's tied to rancid shit.

Yeah and that's why its gone to shit. They had to shoehorn universe shit instead of keeping it a standalone space western.

Maybe merc work. He only does Bounties in the first season then its riffing on old plots like defending a space town from space bandits or space Indians.

I don't mind, space cowboys are cool and there's nowhere else you can go to see them.

 

[Adamska]

Why waste time watching something shitty when you can make fun of something being shitty after a bunch of people people have watched it for you?

I literally just show up here to shit on the creatives and the fact they are so out of touch and protected by an incompetent industry they can't learn to be any better. They managed to make me think Star Wars is so cringe I can't even be arsed to read fanworks at all no more. Mainly because odds are good that they're written by crackheads who shove in the Disney and later Dave shit and fuck up any potential for me liking it nowadays.

I think the killing blow was probably either the Obi-Wan bait and switch, or watching retards try to justify the last two or three shows. It was around there that I couldn't even be fucked to read fanworks, which on average are actually better written than anything Dave ever did.

 

[Midwit]

that has to make planetfall to deliver supplies

If you're talking about the cargo Juggernauts then I'm almost certain it was moving goods from a mine to a refinery on the same planet, and there's absolutely no reason that the Empire couldn't have at least mounted an E-Web on top to scare off the raiders. It would even tie into the Vietnam allegory with the American gun trucks being used to protect convoys from VC ambushes and go a good way in showing how rag-tag the Empire had gotten since the NR took power. Plus it wouldn't be anywhere near as stupid and gun trucks are based as fuck.

 

[Ensok]

"How Many People Could Live on Coruscant? Star Wars Legends Lore" - EckhartsLadder

(estimate at 5:04)

Spoiler: tl;dw

(1.75E15 people?)

I tried making a lowball calculation of that once by using Manila's density as the starting point and seeing what the population would be if Earth was covered in that. It's already insane but it gets even moreso because of all the levels Coruscant is supposed to have.

 

[Ghostse]

The real reason is the same reason behind why AT-ATs look like giant elephants and march directly out of the mist into the hapless rebels. Because the director thought it was cool. It's a perfectly acceptable reason.

Now you are not wrong. However:

"Legged" vehicles are able to traverse more varied ground than wheeled/tracked vehicles; it makes them less likely to hit mines.
As we saw in other properties, the AT-ATs had to be dropped outside the anti-orbital shield and presumably there was only one reasonable approach to the generator.

And really it was an attempt to translate a water-navy landing using space ships instead of warships, and when you start thinking about things the translation doesn't map 1:1.

Its a warping of logic to fit the needs of cool, but its not as much a warping as a lot of spergs like to try to make it out to be.

 

[The Ugly One]

Now you are not wrong. However:

"Legged" vehicles are able to traverse more varied ground than wheeled/tracked vehicles; it makes them less likely to hit mines.
As we saw in other properties, the AT-ATs had to be dropped outside the anti-orbital shield and presumably there was only one reasonable approach to the generator.

And really it was an attempt to translate a water-navy landing using space ships instead of warships, and when you start thinking about things the translation doesn't map 1:1.

Its a warping of logic to fit the needs of cool, but its not as much a warping as a lot of spergs like to try to make it out to be.

But they were pretty easy to knock over. Presumably, they would have noticed that. You could probably come up with some justification for space trains or whatever. Or why Star Destroyers fly in formations that just so happen to make it easy to film Space Battle of Midway. Etc.

Point is, don't overthink that kind of shit - Star Wars has never had technology & military advisers ensuring authenticity and realism.

 

[ToroidalBoat]

Are there any incorporeal "energy beings" in SW like there are in a number of other SF?

Coruscant

A real Coruscant would also have to deal with waste heat from all the machinery and people.

(maybe that world would be really cold without that?)

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

The real reason is the same reason behind why AT-ATs look like giant elephants and march directly out of the mist into the hapless rebels. Because the director thought it was cool. It's a perfectly acceptable reason.

"Legged" vehicles are able to traverse more varied ground than wheeled/tracked vehicles; it makes them less likely to hit mines.

Not just that, but they clearly show in the Prequels that legged vehicles were already a tradition left over from the Republic. The AT-TE walkers did their job well of being heavy tanks, AT-ATs just took that, upped the firepower, armor, and height, and rolled with it. They have other vehicles that use wheels (Juggernaut tanks) or repulsors (TX-130 fighter tanks) but the AT-ATs were made for sieges, and had the heavy firepower and armor for the job.

Plus, it's devastating for the enemy's morale to see giant, mechanized animals stomping all over and blowing up their bases. "It looks cool" is literally an in-universe explanation for a lot of Imperial designs; to inspire their side and intimidate the other side. That's basically the Tarkin Doctrine in a nutshell:

"Your Majesty, it has long been my contention that your New Order needs one undeniable and overwhelming symbol to impress and, yes, frighten the masses. The average citizen has no grasp of numbers nor a head for calculation. I maintain that the effectiveness of the Star Destroyer stems from not only its massive firepower, but from its size. When citizens look at a Star Destroyer and then compare it to the craft which might be mustered to attack it, they have a tendency to dismiss such a notion as suicidal rather than approach the problem tactically."

That, and at the end of the day, given how much land and space the Empire has to cover, ruling by fear IS a legitimate tactic. The Empire would take centuries, even millennia, to create a force large enough to secure peace throughout the whole galaxy; if they went with mundane designs that were functional, but not intimidating, rebels and insurgents would continue to harass them, just like what happened with the Republic, both old and new. Both Old and New Republics faced no end to the number of yahoos who tried to fuck with them, because they weren't scary. If it wasn't for the Jedi, they'd be screwed.

But if you built your stuff big enough to be scary, and add exorbitant amounts of firepower and armor to it, and the average dork who has no head for numbers won't even consider a rational approach and would just keep their heads down, and the only people who can and will fuck with you are either scattered pockets of experienced enemies, or nutcases, both of whom can be dealt with professionally, given that the logistical advantage was with the Empire.

 

[Sneed F91]

I don't want Disney to touch the Old Republic era.

They would replace Lana Beniko with a black midget in a wheelchair.

This is why I laugh at people who say that Disney should have just adapted the Thrawn trilogy.

 

[Ghostse]

But they were pretty easy to knock over. Presumably, they would have noticed that. You could probably come up with some justification for space trains or whatever. Or why Star Destroyers fly in formations that just so happen to make it easy to film Space Battle of Midway. Etc.

Point is, don't overthink that kind of shit - Star Wars has never had technology & military advisers ensuring authenticity and realism.

I'd hardly say easy. You had to have a pilot launch a tow cable and perform a tight turn to wrap it around the legs several times to trip it up... and then pour laser fire on the wreck.

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

I'd hardly say easy. You had to have a pilot launch a tow cable and perform a tight turn to wrap it around the legs several times to trip it up... and then pour laser fire on the wreck.

And that plan goes tits up if the walkers walk side-by-side in pairs. When you try to lasso one, your snowspeeder will smash into the legs of the other. Which is lore-wise how Veers countered Luke's little trick on Hoth, and why the AT-ATs won the battle despite the enemy knowing a way to stop them.

Going back to the topic of the recent SW content, Dave Filoni, like Tony Gilroy, unintentionally made the Empire look better than the New Republic. Since both the Empire and the New Republic are just bullshit bureaucracies in his works (a tad ironic considering TCW succeeded by overplaying the action side of the Clone Wars and simplifying the politics) they're both piles of shit. The New Republic is a bureaucracy that barely works and won't even lift a finger to help those in need. The Empire is a bureaucracy planning to screw over the clones and use them as test subjects for the Emperor's designs on immortality. So of course, the Filoniverse has just established that both are wrong, in their own way. One's an asshole control freak, and another is an asshole who will let you starve and die on the sidewalk so long as they get theirs.

But just as E;R pointed out in his Rogue One review, if you have two sides full of assholes, but one side looks cooler while they're being assholes, who do you think the fans would prefer? For all their evil, at least the Empire gets shit done. They've successfully employed a shit ton of people for their Imperial Stormtrooper program, finally allowing the people to sign up and protect their own worlds instead of relying on an army of man-slaves, who are controlled by strange inhibitor chips and were made by some cold, reclusive aliens. They've wrestled the secrets of cloning from the Kaminoans, defanging them and bringing them to heel. They're wiping out threats to their power base and laying the foundation for a system that will continue to live even up to the Sequel Trilogy, several decades later, in the form of the First Order and the Final Order.

Meanwhile, the Alliance sets up a New Republic that starts committing mistakes from the outset; dumbing down their military while barely caring for the fringe worlds while Imperial warlords roam free, while forcing their subordinates to follow orders and not get involved without their orders. All the while they're so dystopian, that they rely mostly on robots to do things from prison guard duty to psychiatric advice, almost as if no one wants to sign up or volunteer to work for the New Republic to keep it safe from harm, in contrast to the Empire where they had no shortage of people walking up to be hired as Stormtroopers, TIE pilots, and the like. That doesn't look good for the New Republic at all. It shows that more people supported the Empire over the NR, which contradicts the idea that the Rebels fought for democracy and freedom, when more people would rather work for the Empire than for the Rebellion's New Republic.

You're basically forced to choose between an inept tyranny, and an efficient one. Really, even as Filoni tries to paint the Empire in a bad light, by sabotaging and defanging the alternative to it, he kinda makes the Empire look better still. Just like how Tony Gilroy in Rogue One did his damndest to make the Empire look evil, but all it proved was that the Empire wasn't a threat to the common man until the would-be rebels poked the bear and made them autistic about order.

Disney wants to use the drama of the rebels vs. the Empire as a way to pad out their "fascist man bad" message, but their writers bungled the message so badly that all it does is make the Empire look like the more reasonable alternative.

Also, what the fuck is up with Filoni's hatred of bureaucracies? He made both the Empire and the New Republic into meanie bureaucracies to show them as evil, but in the real world, for any nation, you can't get shit done unless you have a bureaucracy or a system that will see to it getting done. This is why kings and republics employ vast armies of government employees to guarantee that things like the mail arrive on time, or that there's sufficient funding for services like firefighters or policemen. People in the West today balk at the idea of a big government, but they reap the benefits from it from the comfort of their own homes, while other countries with weak governments fall prey to local warlords and drug gangs.

That bit in Serenno where Echo demonized Count Dooku for collecting money for his war against the Republic shows just how childish Filoni's views are on things like warfare and nation-building. The people of the Confederacy trusted Dooku with that money because they want him and his corporate mates to keep the Republic off their backyards. THAT is why Dooku had all that money. He wasn't being corrupt with that, he was doing what the people who made him their leader asked him to do, and they gave him the resources and money to do it. That's what happens in the real world. But just because Dooku collected taxes from worlds under his control so that he can do something they want him to do, that's corruption? Really? It's like these people never got past grade school levels of history and economics, because even high school students can understand the concept of a war forcing people to pay up the ass in taxes to pay for the war effort.

 

[Creep3r]

Are there any incorporeal "energy beings" in SW like there are in a number of other SF?

That's a bit out of left field. Are you doing research for a SWRPG or something? Well, since no one else answered it yet... you mean like normal species that have evolved into beings of pure energy? The most notable one I guess are the Wisties from the Ewoks movies and media who also appeared in Disney's scammy EAfront II game, and they're basically a species of fiery energy beings with humanoid forms that are the closest things Endor has to fae what with the whimsy and dancing, except that they can explode and cause forest fires.

I think I have some concept art of them lying around somewhere if you want that.

Then there's the fiery "souls" of Kathol from the Endgame RPG supplement which were harvested as a source of energy by natives. Another was a nameless energy species from the Shadows of Mindor novel, but they were completely alien in behavior and Luke had trouble making sense of what they were supposed to be and all they wanted to do was eat light which is why they were used by Cronal. And I guess there's also the Bogeys from the Jedi Search novel which act more like drones that only exist to eat and collect information on Kessel. Some Jawa tribes also believe that Tatooine's suns are inhabited by a race of energy dragons and that their babies live in all machines, but that's more of a primitive folklore thing than an actual species. Those are a few I can remember.

As for Disney, they just recycled some of these for their new canon but haven't done anything meaningful with them, and Filoni instead just gave audiences his own race of cartoon energy wolves which are just his barely disguised fetish. He even implies that when untrained jedi/people die, they become these deviantart wolves.

Its a nonstop wolf train with this closet furry.

 

[ToroidalBoat]

Are you doing research for a SWRPG or something?

nah just curious

They're a recurring theme in SF*, especially Star Trek with the Organians and the Q as notable examples, so I was curious if they're in SW too. Like I thought maybe there's some "pure Force beings" or something. Anyway thanks for the post.

*Category:Energy Beings | Alien Species | Fandom (it's Fandom so adblock is advised)

 

[Absolutego]

Even other youtubers are making fun of Doomcock's endless "Kathleen Kennedy will totally be fired THIS time, guyz" videos.