What is the worst thing about the right?

[RichardMongler]

I'm just going to reiterate what I mentioned here:

Honestly, I'm becoming more and more politically disenfranchised with all sides, including those I previously I identified with for so long. I obviously won't be giving up my priors anytime soon, but as it stands, the right is fucking useless. Ezra Pound once wrote that a slave is a man who waits for his savior. This perhaps best describes the right especially in North America.

Despite being aware liberals and their leftist allies disproportionately control virtually every influential institution and profession from academia to technology, the absolute best the right has been able to muster are a worthless coalition of proud contrarians, people with elitist temperaments, shut-ins, (pseudo)intellectuals and those with nothing to lose. This coalition does not inspire the necessary class of professionals from scientists, engineers, lawyers and thinkers to form a solid front against liberals and the left. Instead, we're treated to terminally online grifters telling their respective audiences what they want to hear and offering nothing to meaningfully improve their lives. Of those who want something more, they all suffer from crabs-in-a-bucket mentality and squabble over minutiae at the expense of fulfilling long term goals. It just seems the right loves taking positions that are ultimately counterproductive and ethically dubious for god knows what reason.

An anon once suggested a book called "The Flight from Reason" by Scottish historian James Webb. Admittedly, I haven't read it, but it sounds geared towards the inner libertarian skeptic in me. Webb's thesis is that, in times of great uncertainty and upheaval, those who fail to adapt to the changing times seek refuge in whoever will harbor them, particularly cults and fringe political movements, and consequently become deeply irrational. The book is particularly focused on occultism in the 18th and 19th centuries, but it seems we're seeing the same phenomena unfold today. In most cases, it's a massive swath of retards too dumb, too old and/or unable to adapt to a changing world and a margin of grifters preying on those same people.

Honestly, it all fucking hurts so much and is too exhausting for words. The right is aware of all the problems yet still can't fight to save itself. People like Keffals and Liz Fong-Jones have more power than Stephen Crowder or Nick Fuentes ever could, and until that changes, we're going to see more of the same problems.

 

[Lemmingwiser]

I know it goes against the thread, but what I love about the right is that people on the right would use a thread like this to tell other people on the right how to be more effective politically.

 

[SwanSwanson]

Not really being better than the left, if this is just a competition of who can be more evil, whoever does wrong the best will win and the liberal/left has been doing that better so far. Here are some bad things about the right,

* Antagonizing brown people constantly

You're not gonna get people on your side with this. Right-wingers have done this up until recently and the reason this has probably changed is because of the left labeling anyone who isn't a faggot as some far-right nazi.

* Worshipping billionaires at every turn

I don't really need to explain why this is retarded. The right will gladly list off everything that is wrong with society and the people who are ruining it, but whenever you suggest any sort of way to fix it they get mad and call it socialism.

Everything they have done indicates that they want some weird psuedo-Christian Ayn Rand military dictatorship, where everyone works 70 hours a week making 1 cent an hour and anyone who isn't brown has to live in some segregated second class. Oh yeah, this new corporate dictatorship won't ever take away your guns and you will definitely be able to own property and afford groceries instead of living in a pod and eating bugs.

 

[The Ugly One]

Good. Muh five year plans are commie bullshit

Bro, the right doesn't even have a vision for next Tuesday.

 

[Snappy Turtle]

Bro, the right doesn't even have a vision for next Tuesday.

That seems inevitable, since "the right" doesn't seem to be a coherent political entity, but instead just "not the left". Fascism and libertarianism are both "the right", I can't think of two more opposed ideologies on the other side.

That flag in itself is a contrarian kind of thing. How can you be libertarian AND support law enforcement at the same time? Makes no sense. This is a little off topic but it is kind of nuts how some people in the 2A community are ridiculous "back the blue" types despite having massive anti-government rants in the same breath (which, I might add, they may not necessarily be wrong about those rants).

Justifiable if you're more mistrustful about the federal government than your local government.

 

[PipTheAlchemist]

Bro, the right doesn't even have a vision for next Tuesday.

You don't need one. Focus on current issues. Don't try to plan shit like five years in advance. That's when shit starts not going your way

 

[TeenGirlRapist420]

Everything they have done indicates that they want some weird psuedo-Christian Ayn Rand military dictatorship, where everyone works 70 hours a week making 1 cent an hour and anyone who isn't brown has to live in some segregated second class. Oh yeah, this new corporate dictatorship won't ever take away your guns and you will definitely be able to own property and afford groceries instead of living in a pod and eating bugs.

It's a typical case of the cure being worse than the disease.
The contemporary American/Western Right got it that the current Left (aka SJWs) are mostly intolerant and aggressive retarded cringelords but the alternative they offer (aka an openly sexist military dictatorship run by billionaires who abuse their followers to wage-enslave PoC) is just way, way, worse.

 

[The Ugly One]

You don't need one. Focus on current issues. Don't try to plan shit like five years in advance. That's when shit starts not going your way

If you have no vision for what a solution to a current problem would look like and no plan on how to get there, all you can do is sit around and bitch. Hey, that's what the right already does!

 

[Duke Nukem]

That seems inevitable, since "the right" doesn't seem to be a coherent political entity, but instead just "not the left". Fascism and libertarianism are both "the right", I can't think of two more opposed ideologies on the other side.

Justifiable if you're more mistrustful about the federal government than your local government.

I can see trust in local gov and not fed gov being a thing, but I find the symbolism to be a little odd. Then again, I can see people equating the two, after all, Chris-Chan thought (and probably still thinks) that Adolf Hitler was a communist, and in reality that is quite not the case. Do authoritarian regimes share some features? Yes, but that doesn't mean they're all the same thing despite what some delusional boomer may say.

 

[Angry Alt Right Nerd]

They have an extremely romanticized view of "the people" and think the masses will rise up any day now to overthrow the woke nazis. It would also help if they learned about how modern society works, maybe then they would stop being retarded lolbertarians. They ignored decades of corporate overreach, but it was getting banned on twitter for being racist that caused them to start questioning their anarcho-capitalist delusions. There has never been a prolonged period in human history past the dark ages where outside of anarchies, the government did absolutely nothing and "real capitalism" happened. Countries have still prospered and become economic powerhouses with or in spite of government involvement.

 

[George Floyd Sneed]

They have an extremely romanticized view of "the people" and think the masses will rise up any day now to overthrow the woke nazis. It would also help if they learned about how modern society works, maybe then they would stop being retarded lolbertarians. They ignored decades of corporate overreach, but it was getting banned on twitter for being racist that caused them to start questioning their anarcho-capitalist delusions. There has never been a prolonged period in human history past the dark ages where outside of anarchies, the government did absolutely nothing and "real capitalism" happened. Countries have still prospered and become economic powerhouses with or in spite of government involvement.

For years I got told that Republicans were in favor of small government and when the keys were given to them, increased the size, with Reagan and Dubya expanding the size of government far more than their Democrat predecessors. For years I got told that there is some line that, once crossed, people are gonna get mad as hell and not gonna take it anymore! Then 2020 happened and the right either did nothing or mewled to the nearest leftist about how not racist they are. Then I heard that the only reason the right doesn’t do activism is they’re too busy working and making dat paper. However the left continues to take over the upper middle class and upper class and somehow finds time to get shit done.

I guess I’m saying the modern American right is full of shit and nothing but copes and dopes. Pointing out any of this means you’re a doompiller and possibly a fedposter. Only multidimensional chess along with a deus ex machina of baste women and minorities will save us. They haven’t materialized yet but someday they will…

 

[870EVO]

The Right at large is just as brainwashed as the Left. It's just a different kind of Brainwashing. They fell for the WMD's in Iraq, they fell for the Afghanistan invasion due to terrorism everywhere (what happened to that?), they still believe that the authorities and courts will treat them fairly when push comes to shove, they believe that it's Republican vs Democrat. They believe it's still possible to vote their way out of complete control by the Banks and Corporations.

 

[Angry Alt Right Nerd]

I guess I’m saying the modern American right is full of shit and nothing but copes and dopes. Pointing out any of this means you’re a doompiller and possibly a fedposter. Only multidimensional chess along with a deus ex machina of baste women and minorities will save us. They haven’t materialized yet but someday they will…

-who cares it's just crazy people on the internet, no one in the real world cares about silly SJW shit
-who cares it's just crazy college students, professors, and academia, no one in real life cares about these ideas, they're more worried about how to put food on the table
-the internet isn't a human right, just use a different search engine
-who cares about the overall wellbeing of society, mind your own business
-who cares about worker rights, if you don't like it just start your own business
-censorship doesn't work, all it does is cause a streissand effect
-don't worry all of those millennials will become conservative when they get older
-don't worry gen z is based
-who cares everyone already knows journalists and the media are corrupt, no one believes the media and they have no power
-i'm sure those authoritarian laws that authoritarians pass will be turned around against them someday
-being able to post edgy things on the internet is the only litmus test i have for determining whether or not i'm free
-we live in a free market capitalist society
-going woke makes you broke
-the difference between the government and private companies is that you always have the choice to choose a different private company
-why should I care about how obscenely wealthy the rich are, it's their money that they earned through hard work and determination, stop being jealous
-don't worry the pendulum will swing back someday
-hahaha, look at those countries that aren't america like sweden/uk/germany/canada and their silly authoritarian governments, this could never happen here because we're american
-we are the silent majority, the majority of people agree with us
-the police and the military are on our side
-this is just like the fall of rome/weimar republic, society will collapse any day now

 

[skykiii]

Most of the stuff I would've said has been said already.

So instead I'm gonna bring up something that isn't so much a "worst thing about the right" as it is "something I've seen right-leaning people bring up consistently that kinda bugs me."

Basically, the whole "Family" thing, and with a particular emphasis on the kids being biologically related to the parents. Like I for some reason often see people get criticized for adopting kids or getting together with a woman who already has kids or things of that nature.

Like, why the fuck is it so important that the kids be the man's own kids from his own sperm?

The best answer I ever got is some bullshit evo-psych passing on your genes thing, but seriously, why does that matter? I can see it in dumbass medieval societies where they always expect the child to be a carbon copy of the parent, but its like.... hey, remember how Genghis Khan's son was just as brilliant as his father OH WAIT Khan Jr. was a complete dipshit who led the Mongols to ruin. Hmm. Almost like there's something wrong with that theory!

To put it another way, what's more important: That Sun-Tzu wrote The Art of War, a book that is still enlightening people all over the world to this day... or that at some point, Sun-Tzu impregnated a woman who squirted out a kid and we have absolutely no idea what became of that or if it actually affected anything in the long run?

Besides which, biological parents tend to treat their kids like an obligation. Most of the fuckheads you ever meet in society were raised that way by their parents. I've seen adopted kids literally turn out way better. Its almost like a person who goes out of their way to adopt a child has a chance of actually caring for them and wanting to spend time with them, or something crazy like that.

For that matter, the weird priority they place on biological reproduction at all. This is one of the primary arguments against homosexuality, after all--that homos can't make babies.

I say who cares? The human race is overpopulated and could do with some culling, and if the only way its gonna happen without nukes is for nature to introduce a mutation that makes you want to fuck in ways that ensure you won't reproduce, then so be it.

EDIT: Another thought I had... okay, I love God and the Bible but.... the best way I can say this is I hate the people who advocate for Bible-based rules/society but then clearly haven't actually read the Bible cover-to-cover but are actually just cherry-picking specific parts that they think support their beliefs. If you read the Bible, it is rarely saying what you think it is, and even some of the specific laws laid down were clearly not meant to last for all time but were instead clearly meant for a specific society in a specific set of circumstances.

 

[Sneeter Rabbit]

Both. The right as a whole is a self defeating mess of unstable and alienated personality types that never get anywhere.

if criticisms of the right you see others make and criticisms right wingers make of themselves are the same, then there must be at least some people under that umbrella with self-awareness sufficient to reform. granted that we're talking about why one activist minority underperforms relative to another, its entirely possible for these things to change.
unstable and alienated personality types characterise all marginal political movements, its not saying much to say they're nutters when even institutional politicians are dented at least.

 

[The Ugly One]

For years I got told that Republicans were in favor of small government and when the keys were given to them, increased the size, with Reagan and Dubya expanding the size of government far more than their Democrat predecessors. For years I got told that there is some line that, once crossed, people are gonna get mad as hell and not gonna take it anymore! Then 2020 happened and the right either did nothing or mewled to the nearest leftist about how not racist they are. Then I heard that the only reason the right doesn’t do activism is they’re too busy working and making dat paper. However the left continues to take over the upper middle class and upper class and somehow finds time to get shit done.

I guess I’m saying the modern American right is full of shit and nothing but copes and dopes. Pointing out any of this means you’re a doompiller and possibly a fedposter. Only multidimensional chess along with a deus ex machina of baste women and minorities will save us. They haven’t materialized yet but someday they will…

I went to a trade show recently in a shitlib bughive. I won't say which one. All my life, I've primarily hung around conservative types who do typical conservative jobs. The energy at this show was so fundamentally different from anything that it's hard to describe. It seems like everyone I talked to was somebody who woke up one day, had an idea, and immediately started assembling and organizing people to get it done.

I'm not talking politics. It's everything from a startup, to a new product initiative, to creating new toolchains to maximize workflow efficiency, to starting a nonprofit to get middle schoolers interested in the industry. Some of these people worked with dedication for years to make whatever it was happen. I connected with a lot of these people on LI, and of course, they pretty much all have pronouns in the bio, celebrate Women's History Month, are trans allies, etc.

I understand, finally, why liberals are so successful in their cultural transformation agenda. These people are just fundamentally different in temperament and outlook than conservatives. Whether this temperament is applied to business, technology, or politics, it's a drive to organize, create, change, and keep pushing until you get a win.

Basically, if you meet someone whose operating philosophy is have a big idea, work your social connections to get buy-in, build a roadmap, and then drive to success, that person will nearly always be a liberal. If you meet someone whose tendency is to be unhappy about what others are doing, bitch to his friends, convince himself that the thought leaders are going to fail because they're all dumber than him, then use that as an excuse to do nothing but snipe from the sidelines, that's nearly always a conservative.

 

[Geddy Lee's Fee and See]

They are very anti-intellectual and unable to coherently defend their views. Plus, like others have said before, they have no vision of the future in the short-term (and long-term as well), and generally don't have a solid grasp on why the left is bad other than (ironically) basic bitch feelings (which mind is a good starting place. However the modern right refuses to go from that starting place to actual philosophical/scientific/theological reasoning about why the left is fucking poison because of their anti-intellectualism). It's not that I like the left, it's just that the right is too stupid for its own good and can't make a meaningful difference in a place that already isn't conservative in some sense. That's why they can't innovate nor use technology nor create nor subvert academia back into what it is supposed to be. It's just a good ol' boys club for retards.

 

[Angry Alt Right Nerd]

They are very anti-intellectual and unable to coherently defend their views. Plus, like others have said before, they have no vision of the future in the short-term (and long-term as well), and generally don't have a solid grasp on why the left is bad other than (ironically) basic bitch feelings (which mind is a good starting place. However the modern right refuses to go from that starting place to actual philosophical/scientific/theological reasoning about why the left is fucking poison because of their anti-intellectualism). It's not that I like the left, it's just that the right is too stupid for its own good and can't make a meaningful difference in a place that already isn't conservative in some sense. That's why they can't innovate nor use technology nor create nor subvert academia back into what it is supposed to be. It's just a good ol' boys club for retards.

The right can't even identify who their enemies are, let alone understand how they think and operate. Their values are based more on masculinity and self-sufficiency. They place skills such as "can you cook" or "can you change a car tire" above skills such as "being able to navigate your way through modern corporate and bureaucratic systems in order to achieve your objectives, whether they be financial, political, or social". Their cope for being dumbasses is that they're wise rather than intelligent and understand human nature or some other shit that you can't learn from a book. And while they may have no fucking clue how modern society works or how to operate in one, they learned real, down-to-earth practical skills like how to change their car oil.

 

[FudgeFish]

Tolerance of blacks, muslims and trannies.

 

[namvata]

They refuse to accept the reality that the US is a dying empire and balkanization is inevitable