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[General Emílio Médici]

They smell the weakness, and so they ponce. Why bother with trying to negotiate a price when they are such weak cuckholds you can just say a price and they will accept it?

Besides isn't the current US admin going all "muh enviroment we need to end oil stop all of it guys we need green energy by 2030" and shit? The House of Saud is just helping them along.

 

[verissimus]

The gotcha is that Trump is simultaneously responsible for mishandling COVID despite him initiating said policies and vaccine research to FIGHT it.

Dude, it's not April Fools anymore. Stop.

 

[Too Many Catgirls]

Actually I think the "gotcha" is the fact that that is a extremely strong and powerful argument against the idea that Trump is a Covid denier.

Honestly there has been so much historical revisionism on Covid already it is fucking insane. I remember how much the first three months had denial of it, then how it was gonna kill everyone, then how thinking the lockdowns were gonna result in loss of freedom was insane conspiracy theories, the Fauci and Cuomo worship, the absolute insane hysteria over masks, the hatred of anyone who was not kissing the feet of doctors and nurses...

Even most Trump supporters would tell you that Trump is wrong on his constant pushing of the COVID therapeutics. But he's never going to let a single one of his achievements go and at the end of the day he was extremely clear that while you should get the therapeutic, he was never going to take away your choice not to get it. The line of thinking that says Trump and fake vaccines and Operation Warp Speed are "gotchas" only come from the mouths of the ignorant or the disingenuous.

At a fundamental level it speaks to the degree to which orthodoxy controls an individual.

@Terrifik Dang I should have checked this topic before I posted the OPEC article.

 

[Capsaicin Addict]

Even most Trump supporters would tell you that Trump is wrong on his constant pushing of the COVID therapeutics. But he's never going to let a single one of his achievements go and at the end of the day he was extremely clear that while you should get the therapeutic, he was never going to take away your choice not to get it. The line of thinking that says Trump and fake vaccines and Operation Warp Speed are "gotchas" only come from the mouths of the ignorant or the disingenuous.

At a fundamental level it speaks to the degree to which orthodoxy controls an individual.

@Terrifik Dang I should have checked this topic before I posted the OPEC article.

In Trump's defense, I don't recall him ever wanting to compel people to get vaxed. He recommended it, yes. But there's a difference between 'I think you should take this' and 'You will take this or we will fire you and hound you'.

 

[Too Many Catgirls]

In Trump's defense, I don't recall him ever wanting to compel people to get vaxed. He recommended it, yes. But there's a difference between 'I think you should take this' and 'You will take this or we will fire you and hound you'.

You are correct and that makes up the entire difference. Trump's supporters are well aware that he is in support of "his vaccines" and they understand that his ego will never allow him to not tout what he considers an achievement. They will grumble a bit and tell him to talk about something else and it isn't the end of the world. And Trump will never let the issue go because he's proud of it and because it's a big needle in the side of his opponents who want you to forget that they said his "vaccine" was a fraud.

 

[Capsaicin Addict]

You are correct and that makes up the entire difference. Trump's supporters are well aware that he is in support of "his vaccines" and they understand that his ego will never allow him to not tout what he considers an achievement. They will grumble a bit and tell him to talk about something else and it isn't the end of the world. And Trump will never let the issue go because he's proud of it and because it's a big needle in the side of his opponents who want you to forget that they said his "vaccine" was a fraud.

And it should be noted that as soon as Trump left office their tune changed to, 'YOU WILL TAKE THE VACCINE'.

 

[The Last Stand]

Where I'm lost at is where and when did vaccine skepticism come from during all this. Something was lost in translation in all this, intentional or not.

 

[Puff]

Where I'm lost at is where and when did vaccine skepticism come from during all this. Something was lost in translation in all this, intentional or not.

For the general populace? A mix of "this seems rushed" and the people in charge lying about everything else. Then they got PISSED at the people wanting to wait for more testing and started propagandizing the hell out of the vax which solidified the position. From what I can tell it was entirely grassroots with all of the "leaders" in the group showing up after it was already a popular idea.

 

[Vyse Inglebard]

Joe Biden addresses one of his most pressing controversies.....

 

[Standardized Profile]

The rapid development, testing, and deployment of safe, effective COVID vaccines was one of the Trump administration's greatest triumphs, and as the full versatility of mRNA vaccine development is unlocked will be remembered as a historic event. It was so important for the Trump administration that the Democrats tried to deny him this victory before it was even complete: Andrew Cuomo and Kamala Harris launched an anti-vax narrative to counter Trump prior to the election, and even Fauci got in on the action, in his typically equivocal fashion. The New York sex pest actually planned to override the FDA, possibly keeping millions of his citizens from receiving life-saving preventative care. These are evil people who were prepared to let Americans die so they could seize power, and we should never forget that.

After Democrats took the White House, the fact-checkers denied they had ever been anti-vaxers, and somehow right-wing outlets like LifeSiteNews began repeating the narrative the left had been spinning a few months before. That narrative spread through red states, leading to many unnecessary deaths and hospitalizations; through the military, where it killed servicemembers; and through police departments, where COVID has been the number one killer for several years. The virus itself may have been a chance mutation, but doesn't this feel planned, like someone saw a crisis and couldn't let it go to waste? The anti-vax narrative's survival to present day is pretty bizarre, especially now that we have countless studies vindicating Trump's decision to support mRNA development.

(The Janssen vaccine, on the other hand, was always trash and it was only funded as a humanitarian effort for countries that lack a reliable cold chain. The FDA pulled it for causing fatal blood clots, though the "clot shot" label was later attached to the much safer mRNA vaccines for reasons that are unclear.)

But what does all this tell us about Trump? He expects the people who work for him to solve problems, not manage them. This is anathema in the Federal government, which exists in large part to manage problems in perpetuity. Management was rightly left to the states, with Federal support. And for all his failures to appoint reliable staff in the White House, he still had the business savvy to select the right companies to produce a vaccine by the end of the year, something Fauci said couldn't be done. Whether he arrived at his conclusion through careful analysis or animal instinct, he was smarter than his science advisor on this point.

Trump was right about COVID and what the Federal government should have done about it. Had he done nothing else in his Presidency, that alone should have been enough for him to be reelected in 2020.

 

[Puff]

Joe Biden addresses one of his most pressing controversies.....
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It slips some and it's much more like Obama era Biden.

 

[AnotherPleb]

Where I'm lost at is where and when did vaccine skepticism come from during all this. Something was lost in translation in all this, intentional or not.

For the average person? It came in when they changed the definition of what a vaccine was, then rushed through a vaccine, and finished it with 'take this or you will lose your ability to do anything.' That last part never fully came to fruition, but they wanted it more than you want Hillary Clinton's nudes.

 

[870EVO]

Where I'm lost at is where and when did vaccine skepticism come from during all this. Something was lost in translation in all this, intentional or not.

Fast Tracking the Vaccine.
Ignoring Ivermectin or Hydroxychloroquine, banning Doctors and Scientists from social media that said otherwise.
COVID shot mandates to participate in society.
Banning people from social media for reporting side effects from the vaccines.
Banning one of the inventors of mRNA for questioning the COVID policy.
Faucis private email leak where he responded to a colleague saying masking is mostly useless.
The slippry slope from COVID only for 65+, then 40+, then all adults, then teens, then children, then COVID at 5 months. Then COVID shot yearly.

 

[Morethanabitfoolish]

Everybody needs to calm down and read what I said.

I said that the assumption of Trump thinking that COVID is a hoax doesn't hold water because his Operation Warp Speed policy initiated the vaccine to be manufactured. The DNC then had a hissy fit protesting said vaccine when Trump himself approved it.

Blaming Trump for the economic downfall of the US is ludicrous as the STATES themselves went overboard with COVID lockdowns amidst "peaceful protesting," which destroyed more businesses and lives than their fever dream of COVID endangering Grandma.

I think it's one of those where people failed to read the intent behind the posts. I came in late and all I could think when I saw the reactions was that people had massively misunderstood the points you were making.

 

[General Emílio Médici]

There is also a HUGE, ENORMOUS gaslighting campaign around the term "anti-vaxx" itself. You are slapped with the term even if you are just against mandatory vaccinations for Covid nowadays, when it used to mean a bunch of hippies (mostly left wing in fact) who were big on "natural living" and that vaccines cause autism. They even changed the definition on some dictionaries.

Old trick by glowies. Slander anyone not following the party line as insane conspiracy theorist.

 

[verissimus]

Where I'm lost at is where and when did vaccine skepticism come from during all this. Something was lost in translation in all this, intentional or not.

It came from the following

1) It's development was clearly rushed (obviously this is in comparison with other vaccines);

2) It didn't seem necessary to get considering you had over a 99% chance of surviving Covid provided you didn't have any co-morbidities;

3) Most people probably already got Covid by the time the vaccine came out; and

4) There is no conclusive evidence showing that any of the vaccines actually worked (see break-through cases of major politicians, "celebrities, etc. who got the vaccine, advocated it be mandated, and still got Covid somehow).

 

[Hollywood Hitler]

Operation Warp Speed and NOT firing Fauci might have been the dumbest things Trump has done, but at least he didn't threaten me with homelessness or jail for not taking the jab.

What Trump did is something one could write off as a fuck up. What Coumo, Whitmeir, Pelosi, Newsome, and Biden did and tried to do, on the other hand, can be considered malicious and evil.

 

[870EVO]

Operation Warp Speed and NOT firing Fauci might have been the dumbest things Trump has done, but at least he didn't threaten me with homelessness or jail for not taking the jab.

Trump hasn't been a permanent resident of Washington, like Obama, Biden, Hillary, Fauci etc..... Sure he travelled in elite circles. But he naively believed, that they must be competent and acting in good faith at some level to hold the highest positions in institutions. His Presidency basically proved to himself, and the public. It's corruption and cronyism all the way down.

 

[Too Many Catgirls]

Where I'm lost at is where and when did vaccine skepticism come from during all this. Something was lost in translation in all this, intentional or not.

The media played both sides of the issue with an emphasis on "whatever Trump says is wrong." And after the election was stolen and the media had to slam the lever in reverse, I think it damaged a lot of people with regards to this specific issue.

Operation Warp Speed and NOT firing Fauci might have been the dumbest things Trump has done, but at least he didn't threaten me with homelessness or jail for not taking the jab.

I don't mind Operation Warp Speed. But I do not like that Fauci kept his job.

 

[Rykel22]

Trump hasn't been a permanent resident of Washington, like Obama, Biden, Hillary, Fauci etc..... Sure he travelled in elite circles. But he naively believed, that they must be competent and acting in good faith at some level to hold the highest positions in institutions. His Presidency basically proved to himself, and the public. It's corruption and cronyism all the way down.

Indeed. Trump's problem here was believe these people would, in the face what they were saying was a deadly virus, work for the best of the country, even after seeing the depths of the Swamp. He did not anticipate the lows they would stoop to.