Ukrainian Defensive War against the Russian Invasion - Mark IV: The Partitioning of Discussion

[mindlessobserver]

Too much of the Russian Army is focused on central points with way too much open ground across a front that stretches for thousands of Kilometers. Russia is in deep shit once the ground hardens because Ukraine has them fixed in position and while we know they have stood up entire brigades of Stryker's and Bradley's backed by Leopard IIs, there has thus far been absolutely no sign of them.

The Russians are wide open to the "hit em where they ain't" maneuver. A Stryker has an operational range of 500 Kilometers on a single tank of fuel. That is fucking huge in the context of the Donbass Front where the Russian Army has moved 50 kilometers in a YEAR. Ukraine could have an entire brigade ripping into the back line hundreds of kilometers away from the front line forces who are fixed in position on a world war 1 style trench front.

Never mind what happens when they start trying to pull reaction forces off the front and the Bradley's/Leopards decide to roll up as they are pulling back.

I think this realization is starting to hit too. Russian telegram is starting to sound visibly nervous about why they haven't seen any of this shit yet even though its confirmed Ukraine has it.


Igor Girkin (Strelkov) has actually come out and publicly rung the alarm bell. Russia does not have enough troops to hold a front as massive as the one it has in Ukraine. He says Russia needs to order a general mobilization.

Former Russian commander in Ukraine says Moscow was unprepared for a protracted war and is now 'heading for military defeat'

Igor Girkin, who once led a group of Russian militants in Donetsk, said Moscow is sleepwalking toward defeat in Ukraine, per Ukrayinska Pravda.

www.businessinsider.com

 

[Foltest]

Igor Girkin (Strelkov) has actually come out and publicly rung the alarm bell. Russia does not have enough troops to hold a front as massive as the one it has in Ukraine. He says Russia needs to order a general mobilization.

Former Russian commander in Ukraine says Moscow was unprepared for a protracted war and is now 'heading for military defeat'

Igor Girkin, who once led a group of Russian militants in Donetsk, said Moscow is sleepwalking toward defeat in Ukraine, per Ukrayinska Pravda.

www.businessinsider.com

Are you saying that the "We have reserve" mentality does not work in the long hall!?
I know that Lazerpig is on the edge of becoming a lolcow but I love his "You can build/repair a tank. You can't do that with a human." (I am not remeber his exact words).
Seeing Russia supporters go on about how "Russia are spending this much arty shell every day!" is not a flex. With all that shell used, they should be able to gain more grounds, but they aren't.
Better to use less but in a better way.

 

[mindlessobserver]

Are you saying that the "We have reserve" mentality does not work in the long hall!?

A reserve is not meaningful it is not actually PRESENT. Russia has plenty of reserves. Most of them are not in Ukraine.

 

[Disheveled-Human]

Feels <3

 

[Vince McMahon]

Not sure if it was posted here yet:

 

[ItCouldBeWorse]

Big day for Winland lads. Godspeed you suomi motherfuckers.

 

[Pork Packer]

Obviously the solution is to abduct Ukrainian children for something.

Christ, how those children must be suffering in those hellholes. Putin's chef infected Russian children with dysentery due to slipshod conditions in his food processing plants, how do you think the Ukrainian kids are treated?

Ya know it just occurred to me that in the long discussed hypothetical where a third world shitshow version of the USA tried and catastrophically failed to invade Mexico and wound up a global laughing stock for its weakness, ineptitude, and delusions of grandeur and might as its three day planned victory turned into a year long humiliation.....the US government wound up hiring Papa John to form a prison gang based paramilitary to try and augment the withered joke of the US military who then sent tens of thousands of convicts to die in agony around fucking Villa Ahumada in Chihuahua along with wasting irreplaceable quantities of armor and supplies

 

[teriyakiburns]

the US government wound up hiring Papa John to form a prison gang based paramilitary

Surely it'd be Guy Fieri?

 

[LeChampion1992]

Are you saying that the "We have reserve" mentality does not work in the long hall!?
I know that Lazerpig is on the edge of becoming a lolcow but I love his "You can build/repair a tank. You can't do that with a human." (I am not remeber his exact words).
Seeing Russia supporters go on about how "Russia are spending this much arty shell every day!" is not a flex. With all that shell used, they should be able to gain more grounds, but they aren't.
Better to use less but in a better way.

The problem all those shells being fired doesn't mean that every single shell is hitting where it belongs. Ukraine itself after all is roughly the size of Texas and the battlefield is still somewhere the size of central Florida that's contested.

Russia can use up to 20,000 artillery shells a day. If their artillery is essentially accurate to within in 100 meters perfect for WW2. The problem is the Ukraine Army is using a fraction of that, hitting more accurately and within a narrow range think about a 7-10 meter range. That type of accuracy is comparable to being able to destroy a battalion within the middle of a city center, and you can leave the civilian infastructure intact.
Meanwhile the Russians have to practice the field of artillery leveling. Which in theory should work, but in reality leaves a situation where artillery levels a town but is unable to dislodge troops.

But also at the end of the day the war of the flea says this. Hit and run tactics are always preferable to attrition tactics. When you love to fight another day even when losing equipment or gear it's usually a win as gear can easily be replaced or salvaged.

A reserve is not meaningful it is not actually PRESENT. Russia has plenty of reserves. Most of them are not in Ukraine.

Reserves don't mean jack shit if you can't properly arm them. If you're sending reservists with out of date AKMs, T-54/55s, and gear that was state of the art in 1957 you're not going to do much with your reserves beyond put them in a trench and expect them to be Cannon fodder.

Russia has a lot of cannon fodder but Russia also needs to maintain it's internal security apparatus.

yeah these same clowns have also been going to syria to fight for kurd separatists there for quite some time now lol
they started doing this all the way back in like 2012 i believe
never heard anything about their actual combat performance, no idea how useful they were/are

The combat effectiveness varies with some of the people. Weird stories came out of Syria as former (no word of they're dead or alive) LA gangbangers were in Syria protecting some of the Christan minority.
In Ukraine despite the far right saying this is a Jewish war, outside of the boomer Z tards most far right guys have some respect for Azoz and guys like that.

You don't UNDERSTAND! Only UKRAINIANS were supposed to be killed in the Special Military Operation! This was supposed to be a big Ole game where only people we don't like die! Not a war or something where innocent Russians are killed!

I mean the Russians forget about the words blowback, but then again the problem with Russians is they don't understand the concepts like blowback I think.

 

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[MG-34]

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That faggot givi getting snuffed out by FSB will always paint the vatniks as pathetic. Your heroes are rewarded with a bullet to the brain but you still want to suck the trigger puller's dick.

 

[Pork Packer]

So uh....finland is officially in NATO now.

I wonder how russia is covering this?

.....they aint I guess

Also note the oblique reference to Bakhmut still being an ongoing battle despite them having very clearly declared victory yesterday. Funny that.

 

[Ghostse]

I wonder what was the trigger for the funkoboom and if it went off prematurely.

You're assuming the trigger went off early.
It might not have gone off early, or the detonation controller never went off but the detonator did.

tl;dr - Explosives are unstable. Most bomb makers only ever start to build a single bomb, and if you survive to make your second you are practically an expert - it means you have the skill and luck to make a lot more. This is one of the reasons the FBI had such a massive throbbing hard on for the Unabomber despite him having gone dark.

I'm pretty sure our Explosive Waifu had zero clue what she was carrying was explosive. I bet a tracker, a listening device. maybe a speaker, or possibly a glitter/fart bomb.

Given the actions, I wonder if it going back in the box was the trigger. He wasn't being overly gentle, it might have been a jiggle trigger.

Explosives dangerous, yo.

Perhaps, but the Russians never seemed able to make their advantages in numbers and equipment tell against their opponent in respect of the air war. Perhaps it's a lack of flight hours, poor training and command planning or the little man in the Kremlin. Making a workable plan and then carrying it out seems beyond the abilities of Russian high command in the air or on the ground, but notably the former. Perhaps also it's the modern Russian or Putinist trait of believing their own propaganda that they're fighting mislead low grade Russians under NATO direction and all they need to do is keep doing something and like Mr Micawber, something will turn up.

Russia's main advantage in the war special military operation is Putin will keep going longer than NATO. By that I mean NATO at some point will declare enough is enough, but Putin will go until the country collapses (or he's dead). The US will not go to till implosion, and will tap out long before. I guess maybe more accurate to say Putin will risk everything Russia has over this.
Ukraine also will go until the country collapses because they have to, but they are smaller.
Russia can play the waiting game. Russians got used to Stalin, they'll get used to whatever austerity Putin puts them through.

Russia can use up to 20,000 artillery shells a day. If their artillery is essentially accurate to within in 100 meters perfect for WW2. The problem is the Ukraine Army is using a fraction of that, hitting more accurately and within a narrow range think about a 7-10 meter range. That type of accuracy is comparable to being able to destroy a battalion within the middle of a city center, and you can leave the civilian infastructure intact.
Meanwhile the Russians have to practice the field of artillery leveling. Which in theory should work, but in reality leaves a situation where artillery levels a town but is unable to dislodge troops.

Russia has a lot of tubes but they are notoriously shit and poorly maintained. I doubt barrel replacement is happening any faster than it was before the war.
Which again, who cares as long as its in the general direction of the enemy? Military, civilian, Russia makes no distinction.

Too much of the Russian Army is focused on central points with way too much open ground across a front that stretches for thousands of Kilometers. Russia is in deep shit once the ground hardens because Ukraine has them fixed in position and while we know they have stood up entire brigades of Stryker's and Bradley's backed by Leopard IIs, there has thus far been absolutely no sign of them.

The Russians are wide open to the "hit em where they ain't" maneuver. A Stryker has an operational range of 500 Kilometers on a single tank of fuel. That is fucking huge in the context of the Donbass Front where the Russian Army has moved 50 kilometers in a YEAR. Ukraine could have an entire brigade ripping into the back line hundreds of kilometers away from the front line forces who are fixed in position on a world war 1 style trench front.

I'm holding judgement until we see what happens, but I think the vatniks who are saying "Ukraine is going to meatgrindering its own soldiers frutilessly into hardened Russian defenses (while ignoring Russia has been doing the same, but I agree with them: Russians aren't people) ignores the late summer rope-a-dope. Russia has been duped before, and Russia hasn't shown itself to be a speedy learner.

OTOH, Ukraine populated and run by a bunch of slavs so I won't say a Verdun scenario is impossible.

inb4 the push is to Belgorod.

 

[Fanatical Pragmatist]

Wagner was initially made out of ex-military types, including VDV and naval infantry; very similar to how Blackwater and Triple Canopy over here were staffed with former Navy SEALs and Army Rangers.

It was only as Wagner started getting attrition'ed in Ukraine that the former military Wagnerites didn't want to get used as canon fodder, so they started using prison labor volunteers as machinegun fodder & semi-suicidal probing forces to identify weak spots; which the actual trained guys would then hammer with arty and assault under the cover of darkness.

 

[Ghostse]

It was only as Wagner started getting attrition'ed in Ukraine that the former military Wagnerites didn't want to get used as canon fodder, so they started using prison labor volunteers as machinegun fodder & semi-suicidal probing forces to identify weak spots; which the actual trained guys would then hammer with arty and assault under the cover of darkness.

This isn't new. This is essentially how Wagner operates in Syria/Africa. You have local militia (2nd-string Wagnerites if you gotta) you use as cannon fodder to scout out enemy positions and then the ex-special forces guys roll in in the middle of the night, with heavy support from the host army.

I suspect that Donbro militia were opperating as the cannon fodder, but the casualty rates got the local commanders to start saying "fuck that" so they had to go open the prisons.

 

[DumbDude43]

I wonder what was the trigger for the funkoboom and if it went off prematurely.

the easiest trigger to put on a homemade bomb is just a static timer. set it to go off in 5 minutes, go in and give it to the guy, leave, 2 minutes after you're gone the thing goes boom.

another staple is remote control. a classic way to do this is to put a cell phone in there and rig it to trigger the detonator on receiving a call or a text message. you can also use custom homemade radio/wireless stuff, like taking out the signal transmission parts from a remote control toy car/plane/drone and using that as a remote trigger.

there are also pressure triggers, kind of like what is used in land mines, it will go off when you put weight on it (person steps on it or car drives on it) but this does not apply here obviously.

and finally you could make an impact trigger, something that goes off when the sensor experiences strong acceleration forces, like being dropped to the ground or thrown against a wall. but these things are finnicky and volatile, and the thing wasn't exactly thrown at him with force, so i don't think it's that.

 

[Beebo]

And as of some 10 minutes ago, Finland is now legally and technically in NATO.
Finland's first act as a member was to deliver its papers for Sweden's membership ratification.

Russia's entire war for Ukraine has now officially strategically failed, as the stated purpose of the "special operation" was to contain NATO's expansion near Russian borders.

 

[Odd Opossum]

https://twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1643239181651517441

Disclose.tv on Twitter: "JUST IN - Finland has officially joined #NATO, doubling the military alliance's border with Russia." / Twitter | Ghostarchive

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[No bullying allowed]

And as of some 10 minutes ago, Finland is now legally and technically in NATO.
Finland's first act as a member was to deliver its papers for Sweden's membership ratification.

Russia's entire war for Ukraine has now officially strategically failed, as the stated purpose of the "special operation" was to contain NATO's expansion near Russian borders.

Let's be fair, Russias stated purpose of the war changed on a daily basis in the beginning. I'm not even sure what the purpose supposedly is anymore. Are we still on globohomo nazi or are we doing biolabs, still?

 

[Astro Galactic Megalul]

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