Ukrainian Defensive War against the Russian Invasion - Mark IV: The Partitioning of Discussion

is there a thread "Russia vs Ukraine, who is winning?"?
You can try the /k/ board on 4chan but expect casual shit slinging that everyone retarded but my side screaching that will end in just porn posting that will force the jannys there to delete the thread in its entirely or some ironic vatnik posters that think it's funny to be edgey and fish for >(You)
 
Dunno how credible, but I find the idea that Putin is only watching Russian state TV (propaganda) both hilarious and plausible
in reality it’s a very autistic set up of multi colored binders which his staff prepare for him. Putin himself likely doesn’t read much further than the briefs, ongoing events are curated for him.
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Add his increasing paranoia + covid isolation and its a pretty volatile mixture of schizo autism
 
Of course, the grain of truth is that everyone in the Russian chain of command is corrupt to a greater or lesser extent. So he is still being given lies.
It must be frustrating to someone in a position like Putin's to have your certainty undermined by reality getting exposed from the rubber hitting the road. Sure, you knew there was systemic corruption in the armed forces but you thought it was only half as bad as it really is. You thought your brave soldiers wouldn't sell half their diesel to Belarussians because they thought this was just a big maneuver exercise. They are YOUR army, of course they'd be on top of things so that you could shape history to your will. They're your implement to shape the future, not a bunch of rapey thieving drunks that have trouble putting their pants on during a good morning.

You should probably have someone going around making sure that the nukes actually have warheads on them at this point.
 
It must be frustrating to someone in a position like Putin's to have your certainty undermined by reality getting exposed from the rubber hitting the road. Sure, you knew there was systemic corruption in the armed forces but you thought it was only half as bad as it really is. You thought your brave soldiers wouldn't sell half their diesel to Belarussians because they thought this was just a big maneuver exercise. They are YOUR army, of course they'd be on top of things so that you could shape history to your will. They're your implement to shape the future, not a bunch of rapey thieving drunks that have trouble putting their pants on during a good morning.

You should probably have someone going around making sure that the nukes actually have warheads on them at this point.
There's good change that "someone" would take his fair cut from those warheads.
 
A twitter fag did an analyst of Russia winter offensive and how it failed hard.
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Military analysts around the globe share the same as I do: The Russian winter offensive has entirely failed. We can see that in all sectors. No matter whether you look at Vuhledar, Kreminna, Kupyansk, Zaporizhzhia and, yes, even Bakhmut the Russian advances were little or not even existent. Russia wasted huge amount of resources and gained almost nothing in return. In the contrary, they are no more than ever under threat to lose more. But that's the next episode. Based on all Russian attempts I have drawn maps of their intention. The operation, indeed, was aimed to take the entire Donbas, as well as all areas east of the Oskil river.
 
Check out this thread it's full of retarded vatniggers cope posting. I posted a bunch of videos of Russian helicopters and jets getting shot down and they got all salty and claiming the videos were too old. They were about 6 months to a year old. I went and got some even newer videos of the same stuff happening ranging from a few weeks ago to 3 months ago. Then they got even saltier and started cope posting even harder about the videos being ARMA 3 videos and saying "theres no location and date". Like that fucking matters. LOL

These vatniggers are beyond fucking retarded and delusional. LOL

The vatniggers giving this post top hats are, ironically, themselves MATI.
 
"Ukrainian Armored Vehicles" company resumes production of 60mm mortars...
... and has already supplied the Armed Forces of Ukraine with more than 100,000 units.

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"At the moment, "Ukrainian Armored Vehicles", using the principles of distributed production, has restored the possibility of serial production of such ammunition needed by the Defense Forces at the relocated sites"
Ukrarmor Website

"Ukrainian armored vehicles" used the NATO approach for the first time in Ukraine and manufactures not a mine of 60 mm caliber, but a shot. A classic post-Soviet model mortar is a case without an installed cartridge and detonator, all components of which are already screwed into position, which requires gunners to have a higher level of training and more time to perform a combat mission. Our mortar shot is a shot fully equipped with the maximum powder charge, hermetically packed in an individual tube. It can be used immediately in positions without additional training, which adds mobility to our soldiers. Today, this is the only Ukrainian mortar shot produced by the domestic military industry," explained the company's general director, Vladyslav Belbas.

While it sounds like a small thing, this is actually a pretty big deal; and they're definitely not wrong about NATO-standard mortar rounds being faster & easier to use.
Edit:. .... it also takes weight off Western ammunition supplies, and afford them spare tonnage to ship other weapons that can't be made domestically. 100k mortar rounds would probably equal quite a few ATGMs, MANPADS, etc.

And speaking of mortars, Merkava-3 has one built-in, but we'll probably never see any on Ukrainian battlefields because TNSTAAFL, and no way will the heebs want to ruin their tank's record. Which is unfortunate; regardless of any lost, those tanks would still do very well.

The only way I could see any Merkavas ending up in Ukraine is if they're bought & paid for after the active fighting ends.

A few more interesting finds:
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Exploded AGL from defective round.
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And for the numismatic autists amogus:
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Vatnigger over in the cope cage sperging about how Russia could win the war if poor old pacifist Putin would just get really ruthless:

I'm actually happy to see UA doing assassinations in big Russian cities, as it's the one thing that might change how the RU MOD as been operating. Downright stupid of the Ukrainians to poke the bear like that. Strelkov, for all his craziness, said that even if Ukrainian troops take all of the Donbas, Russia will not respond or change their strategy. And he's right, maybe even about Crimea as well frankly. The one thing that might change this war is if Putin himself is injured or killed in an assassination attempt by the SBU. I cannot imagine anything else would motivate them.
 
If Russia is so full of missiles, why has it done "big" missile barrages like 3 times a week, for two weeks, twice, then crickets. Ukraine has been able to keep utilities running enough to carry on with the war because Russia, for whatever the reason is, won't or can't do a heavy enough or long enough bombardment to overwhelm Ukraine's ability to defend, and then repair/replace

And I say "big" because compared to say what America can and has done in the last 20 years, these have been pathetically small attacks. If the US were trying to destroy basic utilities in Ukraine from the air, they would have been destroyed within a month and would not have come back until Ukraine surrendered
 
If Russia is so full of missiles, why has it done missile barrages like 3 times a week for two weeks twice, then crickets. Ukraine has been able to keep utilities running enough to carry on with the war because Russia, for whatever the reason is, won't or can't do a heavy enough or long enough bombardment to overwhelm Ukraine's ability to defend, and then repair/replace
It's a good will gesture.
 
Since I have long documented my amusement at various "professional" russia shills in the info sphere, allow me to share an amusingly hyperbolic schizo rant about the fact the moscow patriarchate is getting evicted from its comfy offices in Kyiv

Kiev’s Kristallnacht
Women at prayer being terrorised by devils in human form. Haven’t we been here before?


Women at prayer being terrorised by devils in human form. Kiev Churches being sacked. Kiev priests being roughed up. Haven’t we been here before?

November 1938. Kristallnacht, the Night of Broken Glass, an orgy of Nazi violence when even the most blinkered of Germany’s Jews were left under no illusions regarding what awaited them. If they saw any of that, British and Irish tourists, who were still pouring into Germany, sheepishly looked away. It wasn’t their problem; they were there to drink, make merry and have a good time. Plus ça change, plus c’est la même chose.

Fast forward to Zelensky’s rump Reich, where the tourism sector is enjoying a bumper year as the Reich’s fat cats, taking a break from snorting their nose candy, amuse themselves and their mistresses on Lviv’s ski slopes. Dear Lviv, scene of countless Kristallnachts that helped lay the groundwork for today’s outrages.

You have probably seen the videos of Kiev-Pechersk Lavra, Kiev’s Monastery of the Caves, where Orthodox Christians have worshipped for the last 1,000 years. It is as much a part of their fibre as Jerusalem’s Church of the Holy Sepulchre is to Palestine’s Christians or Al Aqsa Mosque is to that country’s Muslims. A place of prayer and pilgrimage, of quiet devotion and novenas to Our Lady of Vladimir, Our Lady of Kazan, the Holy Trinity of Rublev and, of course, Theotókos of Smolensk authored, it is said by St Luke the Evangelist but destroyed by Hitler’s Nazis whose worst elements, it seems, have arisen from their graves to again haunt the Russians of Ukraine.

Have a look at these savages mocking this brave woman, before whom even Joan of Arc would bow in reverence, praying in front of the Monastery of the Caves, whose priests have been beaten up and electronically tagged as if they were Untermenschen, animals. Look at the well-groomed young men and women scoffing at this living saint, who is old enough to be their mother. No close quarters with the Wagner Group for these pampered brats. No different from the scum who took their selfies as they incinerated other saints in Odessa in 2014.

And not that different from the scum who blew up Vladlen Tatarsky in St Petersburg or journalist Darya Dugina in Moscow. What is interesting about those two murders is how the BBC and other NATO mouthpieces boast about it, as if, to use the parlance of the IRA, Tatarsky and Dugina were “legitimate targets” and if, by extension, that bravest and holiest of Kiev women was also one of NATO’s legitimate targets.

Here, for example, is RTÉ, Ireland’s state-funded broadcaster, describing the main suspect in Tatarsky’s murder (killing, as they euphemistically call it) as an “anti-war protester”. In their mutilation of the English language, the BBC and its clones echo Kiev’s knuckle-dragging online trolls and show themselves to be nothing more than Banderite thugs with privileged backgrounds, plum accents and the moral compasses of sewer rats. It is because of these NATO Lord Haw-Haws that we craved bloggers like Tatarsky, so we might have some idea of what is happening in Ukraine and why our own hotels are full of military-aged Ukrainian parasites, who want for nothing.

To compare these Ukrainian savages to Kristallnacht’s Nazis is, in a sense, to do an injustice to the Nazis as not all Germans were then onboard with Banderite barbarities against Germany’s Jews, who were in no position to defend themselves. Whatever about Berlin 1938, there can be no doubt about Kiev 2023, where the war crimes of Zelensky and his fellow criminals enjoy the widespread support of these crazed barbarians.

Now would be the appropriate time to quote First They Came from Nazi cheerleader Rev Martin Niemőller, who lamented the incremental purging of group after group by the Nazis, and that, when his turn to be purged came, there was no one left to oppose Hitler. But that is factually incorrect.

Although Tatarsky and Dugina are now silent, other brave souls are not. Following Kristallnacht, over 35 million men and women joined the Red Army, whose sacrifices put an end to bullying orgies like Kristallnacht. Today, Russia’s General Gerasimov has a no-less impressive array of land, sea and air forces poised to do a Zhukov on Zelensky’s rump Reich. If Pope Francis, in his infinite wisdom, still thinks that Russia’s Chechens and Buryats are the rump Reich’s worst nightmares, he best think again as Zelensky’s Kristallnacht against old women and older priests will have stirred the same passions in Gerasimov’s troops that the Nazis and Napoleon’s storm troopers did in Russian men and women of earlier times. Heaven help anyone who gets in their way.

These latest war crimes are, of course, only the latest chapter of this decade-old war, where Ukraine’s Nazis openly boast about how they take no prisoners. If they’re happy enough to do these war crimes, then they must also be happy enough to do the time, to pay with their lives for their crimes. Much the same goes for the BBC, the Economist, the Wall Street Journal and NATO’s other Lord Haw-Haws, who cheer on these muck savages. As they have made their bed, they should be made lie face downwards on those beds and pay the appropriate penalty for their collusion in these ongoing crimes.

Ecclesiastes 31-8 tells us that “for everything there is a season… a time to love, and a time to hate; a time for war and a time for peace”. As Ukraine’s muddy (and skiing) season is now coming to an end, the time for war has arrived. No matter whether it is Russia or NATO’s Ukrainian proxies who launch the first spring offensive and irrespective of who else dies, Gerasimov’s Army will see to it that this war ends very badly for those who bullied that woman and those priests. Although their crimes are indefensible, to the Wagner Group and their chums, whose mothers and grand mothers would like to pray to their icons at Kiev’s Monastery of the Caves, that point is moot. Though these Banderites have sewn the wind, few of them will survive the whirlwind Gerasimov is sending their way and none of them can argue it is not their due. May God help these devils because nobody else this side of Hades will.

Incidentally the same author has a uh.....storied record of even more unhinged schizo rants throughout the course of this three day war, from North Korea riding to russia's rescue and annihilating ukraine back in august, to how russia's hundred million strong army would annihilate NATO back in february, and ofcourse, muh holy general armageddon
 
And speaking of mortars, Merkava-3 has one built-in, but we'll probably never see any on Ukrainian battlefields because TNSTAAFL, and no way will the heebs want to ruin their tank's record. Which is unfortunate; regardless of any lost, those tanks would still do very well.

Unlikely unless Russia gets short of modern(ish) ATGMs. They didnt' do so hot in the latest Lebenon war.
The Merkava is heavily disadvantaged in a modern battlefield, especially ukraine. The forward mounted engine is great for survivability in tank-on-tank battles but terrible against heavy artillery or top-down ATGMs. Which tbf were not things Israel needed in a tank when they were being designed.

OTOH when you're taking on T-55s, how good does your tank really need to be?

The real issue with Merkavas ever seeing the battlefield are the same issues with French Leclercs: Israel lacks the industrial base to crank out large numbers of tanks/parts, and the Merkava's replacement is upgrades on existing Merkava chassis. So there is no point trying to get Ukraine's greatest ally to send them tanks (and all the other logistical issues).

They make money selling oil and steel to the world...except the rest of the world has largely stopped buying it, including their biggest customers. Now, Russia is basically giving their oil away to India and China at a discount. The economy is imploding on itself, which directly cuts into the oligarch's bottom line. All that foreign travel to places like the Italian Riviera? That shit's just ended. All the places they used to park their money overseas? That's gone too. Sanctions are a bitch. The Russian oligarchs had a nice gravy train lined up; now its all falling apart. And for what? To whose benefit? Not theirs.
They are still selling to China (and india to a lesser extent), so they're going to be fine. And that's before we get into all the laundering that happens. The Oligarchs are not going to turn on Putin unless a more pliable and equally competent successor presents themselves, and Putin is a master at making sure that doesn't happen.

in reality it’s a very autistic set up of multi colored binders which his staff prepare for him. Putin himself likely doesn’t read much further than the briefs, ongoing events are curated for him.
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Add his increasing paranoia + covid isolation and its a pretty volatile mixture of schizo autism
Actually this is pretty smart - have your reports in color coded binders so you know what's what at a glance.

Putin is a KGB ghoul (and maybe CIA deep cover operative) but I really hate it when people try to ad hominem on him. Its like the smooth brains going "Pee Tape! Small Hands!" about Trump, or "Where's the Birthcertifcate?!" for Obama. Its just lobbing playground level insults at someone because you've got no better arguments.
 
If Russia is so full of missiles, why has it done "big" missile barrages like 3 times a week, for two weeks, twice, then crickets. Ukraine has been able to keep utilities running enough to carry on with the war because Russia, for whatever the reason is, won't or can't do a heavy enough or long enough bombardment to overwhelm Ukraine's ability to defend, and then repair/replace

And I say "big" because compared to say what America can and has done in the last 20 years, these have been pathetically small attacks. If the US were trying to destroy basic utilities in Ukraine from the air, they would have been destroyed within a month and would not have come back until Ukraine surrendered
Assuming they have missiles in spades, worth noting that there might be other reasons besides Putin's hypothetical magnanimity (rofl). Regardless of what anyone says, he's likely quite concerned about his image on the international scene still, and doesn't want to be seen as another Hitler, even though being as ruthless as possible is probably the only way for him to have any chance of winning (whatever that means at this point).

But I personally think they're being conscious of their supply because consumption far exceeds production. And while they probably still have a lot of S-300, they're highly inaccurate in this role, resulting in more collateral damage and PR nightmare than taken out targets, while more precise purpose-built cruise missiles aren't as numerous and much harder to build. Even just transporting them is probably a pain in the ass, it's not like they're launched straight from storage. They can't afford to spam them like artillery. It's my conjecture though.
Actually this is pretty smart - have your reports in color coded binders so you know what's what at a glance.

Putin is a KGB ghoul (and maybe CIA deep cover operative) but I really hate it when people try to ad hominem on him. Its like the smooth brains going "Pee Tape! Small Hands!" about Trump, or "Where's the Birthcertifcate?!" for Obama. Its just lobbing playground level insults at someone because you've got no better arguments.
Putin was intelligent enough to manage usurping power in Russia, which is no small task, I'll give him that. But he's not omniscient, and relies on his subordinates to keep him properly informed, and we all know how that whole situation worked out. He's also getting old (and I personally believe rumors regarding paranoia), so I wouldn't be surprised if some cognitive decline is taking place. He might not be retarded, but one could say he fell a victim to his own empire of lies.
At the end of the day, he's just one man.
 
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Actually this is pretty smart - have your reports in color coded binders so you know what's what at a glance.

Putin is a KGB ghoul (and maybe CIA deep cover operative) but I really hate it when people try to ad hominem on him. Its like the smooth brains going "Pee Tape! Small Hands!" about Trump, or "Where's the Birthcertifcate?!" for Obama. Its just lobbing playground level insults at someone because you've got no better arguments.
To be fair being a KGB ghoul did give him an enormous amount of experience in keeping information organized. Not at the same level of the Stasi but still pretty comprehensive.
 
But I personally think they're being conscious of their supply because consumption far exceeds production. And while they probably still have a lot of S-300, they're highly inaccurate in this role, resulting in more collateral damage and PR nightmare than taken out targets, while more precise purpose-built cruise missiles aren't as numerous and much harder to build. Even just transporting them is probably a pain in the ass, it's not like they're launched straight from storage. They can't afford to spam them like artillery. It's my conjecture though.
From what I remember, Russia can domestically produce most of the 5V55 family of missiles with no (or few) external requirements. The per-unit production was never super high, and I doubt its improved since the USSR's collapse.

Russia has the launchers to spam them, but wouldn't be able to sustain it. Reloading the mobile launcher tubes takes time and attention - as you said, they can't launch them from the warehouses. So you'd see what you saw over the winter: Sustained saturation barrages with a goal (freezing grandma). But the long term damage was light: they were targeting electrical substations. Substations are very easy to take out, you can take one out with a branch. But because of this, they are also very easy to replace. Putin burned a lot of missiles for very little long term effect.

At this point though, I'd wager missile attacks are down as they weren't doing much and Russia are probably needing for their SAMs to remain as SAMs incase the US decides to use the newly opened Finnish airspace to sack-tap Moscow, or Ukraine gets F-16s.

Putin was intelligent enough to manage usurping power in Russia, which is no small task, I'll give him that. But he's not omniscient, and relies on his subordinates to keep him properly informed, and we all know how that whole situation worked out. He's also getting old (and I personally believe rumors regarding paranoia), so I wouldn't be surprised if some cognitive decline is taking place. He might not be retarded, but one could say he feel a victim to his own empire of lies.

This is also correct. I'm not saying he's superman or some supergenius. He has enough low-cunning to run the Russian political inner circle, and to do that you just have to be smarter than the average Russian. Which as we've seen isn't a high bar.

But over the summer there were the "100% totally really. source: trust me bro" emails from his Doctor about how Putin had 6 months to live were leaked and all the yookniks were being complete embarrassments analyzing Putin's face and saying how he was clearly dying from impacted urine in his testicles. Dude's fucking 70, he's not going to be doing backflips and karate-chopping dudes heads off. Trying to paint that to more than it is makes someone look like they're coping as hard as the Vatniks. Its embarrassing.

Laugh at him for his terrible foreign policy decisions. Don't start making up shit and being the copelord the Vatniggers say you are.

tl;dr: Putin will die of acute buttitius in 4 weeks, two weeks after the Russian army secures Bakhmut.
 
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