The Holocaust Thread - The Great Debate Between Affirmers, Revisionists and Deniers

[870EVO]

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Hey if you compare notes here, they overcounted jews in America by almost a million. Damn that would suck if people could compare and contrast population disparity to find millions of people emigrated to America instead of dying in Camps.

Nazi leader Adolf Hitler was a fan of Chaplin films, but according to cultural historian Ron Rosenbaum, "there is no evidence (though some speculation) that Hitler modeled his 'stache on [Chaplin's]".

Professor Einstein, who spent several days with Charlie Chaplin at his home in Hollywood, told the J.T.A. here before he sailed for New York on his return to Europe that Chaplin is a half-Jew, his grandfather having been a Jew.

 

[The Tall Man]

The 6 million figure is given just for Eastern Europe in the 1920s (population would have grown by 1939). There were also Jews in Central, Western, and Southern Europe.

But yeah, the Jewish population in Poland was devastated. In the 30s it was the second largest Jewish community in the world, and after the war it had been reduced by 90%, and there's nothing there now.

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The only countries where Jews survived in great number in were the Nazi ally states Hungary and Romania, who shielded their Jews from the Nazis to a certain extent, and the USSR, where many fled in the wake of the Nazi advance.

This is a typically harebrained revisionist argument, though I haven't heard it before, so congrats on that.

I made a little visual aid of Jewish world population from 1500 to 2022.
Seems totally legit.

From 1880 (7.8mil) to 1939 (16.7mil) according to the Jewish virtual library Jews had a population growth like rabbits.
Is this why the word rabbi is so close to the word rabbit?

One Third of the Holocaust, Dean Irebodd, Denier Bud, 4hr,15min, Reposted Jan 23, 2023

COMPLETE DOCUMENTARY - BELZEC, SOBIBOR, TREBLINKA ONE OF THE BEST Detailed Examinations of Holocaust Hoax, Reposted, Jan 23, 2023

odysee.com

 

[Betonhaus]

Quick question: based on how the US has an actually declassified history of using deception and interference to get what they want, it does seem like they consider lying and defamement as acceptable war tactics. My question is: how long have they been doing this, and how far would they go to get what they want?

 

[The Tall Man]

Quick question: based on how the US has an actually declassified history of using deception and interference to get what they want, it does seem like they consider lying and defamement as acceptable war tactics. My question is: how long have they been doing this, and how far would they go to get what they want?

The Civil War, the Banana Wars, Vietnam War, etc.
War always starts with lies, you have to get the common people emotionally engaged enough to tolerate war and perpetrate violence.

I recommend

https://www.podbean.com/podcast-detail/4cnkx-2167df/Understanding-Propaganda-Podcast

especially the first few episodes to get a little introduction into how propaganda works.

 

[Bonesjones]

Quick question: based on how the US has an actually declassified history of using deception and interference to get what they want, it does seem like they consider lying and defamement as acceptable war tactics. My question is: how long have they been doing this, and how far would they go to get what they want?

The Gulf of Tonkin incident never happened, the Vietnam War was started entirely on lies. The Son of the Admiral in charge of the fleet it supposedly happened to? Jim Morrison.

 

[Chugger]

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I made a little visual aid of Jewish world population from 1500 to 2022.
Seems totally legit.

From 1880 (7.8mil) to 1939 (16.7mil) according to the Jewish virtual library Jews had a population growth like rabbits.
Is this why the word rabbi is so close to the word rabbit?

One Third of the Holocaust, Dean Irebodd, Denier Bud, 4hr,15min, Reposted Jan 23, 2023

COMPLETE DOCUMENTARY - BELZEC, SOBIBOR, TREBLINKA ONE OF THE BEST Detailed Examinations of Holocaust Hoax, Reposted, Jan 23, 2023

odysee.com

ehhh notice anything about the population of Japan? something was happening in the developed world in the 1800s

bro thought he cracked the code lol. it's not that easy when you believe in something that didn't happen

 

[mrolonzo]

ehhh notice anything about the population of Japan? something was happening in the developed world in the 1800s

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bro thought he cracked the code lol. it's not that easy when you believe in something that didn't happen

On this sharp drop population therefore the holocaust drivel obviously the orthodox wants to avoid the details about this so we can let them swing for a while.

The new line by HC bloggers is well used by now, the holocaust not happening didn't happen.

It's fascinating why they persist so. But crucially the HC blogger type aka Chugger is curiously less interested im the wide debate among scholars and researchers and instead what he can persuade people on this forum to accept about this conspiracy theory.

 

[Betonhaus]

Immediately after the war was over all Nazi symbolism or discussion of support was immediately banned. Nobody was allowed to dispute the official narrative of the event, and any exculpatory evidence that existed would've slowly been burned or buried. With so much of the claims about the Holocaust turning out to be true or questionable, when Germany starts swinging right-wing and pulling away from America they'll slowly realize how badly they've been lied to and castrated for American interests.

 

[EpicGamerMoment]

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the hall of cost isn't the only reason people hate those ideologies

 

[mrolonzo]

the hall of cost isn't the only reason people hate those ideologies

What other reasons were you thinking of?

 

[870EVO]

It's fascinating why they persist so. But crucially the HC blogger type aka Chugger is curiously less interested im the wide debate among scholars and researchers and instead what he can persuade people on this forum to accept about this conspiracy theory.

People who are completely silent and non-responsive when you bring up certain points on topics, has suggested to me in the past. That they have an Agenda, they aren't interested in figuring out of the truth of a situation. They have their conclusion, and will work backwards.

 

[mrolonzo]

People who are completely silent and non-responsive when you bring up certain points on topics, has suggested to me in the past. That they have an Agenda, they aren't interested in figuring out of the truth of a situation. They have their conclusion, and will work backwards.

Indeed. Chugger is more quiet here these days because he is in fact a poster called bombsaway who is trying the same arguments on codoh.

It is necessary to create sock puppets on codoh because to assume the same voice as before will require answering the various questions that have been raised. Chugger cannot even admit where the holocaust evidence is lacking because he knows this is a wedge in the entire conspiracy theory. Therefore further communication on codoh must continue through sock puppets who are not obliged to answer previous questions.

 

[mrolonzo]

Time for a thread summary, see attached

 

[Chugger]

Indeed. Chugger is more quiet here these days because he is in fact a poster called bombsaway who is trying the same arguments on codoh.

It is necessary to create sock puppets on codoh because to assume the same voice as before will require answering the various questions that have been raised. Chugger cannot even admit where the holocaust evidence is lacking because he knows this is a wedge in the entire conspiracy theory. Therefore further communication on codoh must continue through sock puppets who are not obliged to answer previous questions.

lol you can believe whatever conspiracies you want about me (I was banned off codoh) but I'll leave this here

I'm not sure if you realize this but we've exchanged probably hundreds of messages over the past year. Most of this was debating your self-proclaimed 'strongest evidence against the mainstream story', namely that German steps taken to preserve the lives of Jewish forced laborers was evidence that there was no generalized killing program.

You're boring to talk to because you so often link back to some Codoh thread or article instead of making the case yourself. If you don't have an original thought, you should at least paraphrase so I can know what your exact arguments are.

Nevertheless, if you want to continue with me, you can address the following questions in your own words.

Do you agree with leading revisionists Mattogno/Graf/Kues that millions of Jews were resettled in occupied USSR, the majority of which were unfit for work?

In the past you stated there was some evidence of resettlement, so in this case can you describe (with witness or documentary evidence) what happened to some of the Jews during their resettlement in German occupied USSR?

If there is no direct documentary or witness evidence of resettlement in German occupied USSR, how does this jibe with the very high level of documentary and witness evidence for a much smaller amount of Jews being resettled in Romanian occupied USSR, or the Nazis resettling the 100k Poles of Zamosc?

I am pretty much done with this thread yeah and don't mind if you fill it up with hundred more pages of "memes" and "infographs"

 

[Bonesjones]

Looks like Chugger's handlers funding ran out after he got constantly owned. Not a surprise, since he is mentally a toddler.

 

[mrolonzo]

Nevertheless, if you want to continue with me, you can address the following questions in your own words.

Do you agree with leading revisionists Mattogno/Graf/Kues that millions of Jews were resettled in occupied USSR, the majority of which were unfit for work?

In the past you stated there was some evidence of resettlement, so in this case can you describe (with witness or documentary evidence) what happened to some of the Jews during their resettlement in German occupied USSR?

If there is no direct documentary or witness evidence of resettlement in German occupied USSR, how does this jibe with the very high level of documentary and witness evidence for a much smaller amount of Jews being resettled in Romanian occupied USSR, or the Nazis resettling the 100k Poles of Zamosc?

I've answered this over and over.

In no way do Mattogno et al specify exactly how many or where millions of Jews are settled by the Whermact.

Rapechu, painted an excellent picture about what happened. Ghettos are filled with Jews from the west. These increasingly begin attacking soldiers and are broken up leading to an end to resettlement attempts. This is in concordance with documents showing the final solution was clearly for AFTER the war.

As Rapechu showed, some Jews were sent to Stutthof. As for how it "jibes", it jibes because the main Soviet front Belarus and Ukraine areas were less settled in conflict terms than other places so orderly camps are more easy to maintain both in terms of physical infrastructure and other hard evidence.

 

[Chugger]

I've answered this over and over.

In no way do Mattogno et al specify exactly how many or where millions of Jews are settled by the Whermact.

I never said they gave an exact figure, but it's reasonable to assume it's a lot, more than 2 million. Kues, who worked closely with Mattogno here, says this in the most exhaustive study on the whereabouts of the "gassed" Jews ever conducted by a revisionist:

"Taken together, this means that the number of Jews who reached the occupied eastern territories almost certainly amounted to somewhere between 1,800,000 and 1,900,000."

You can see he takes the Korherr report at its word. But Kues's study only looks at Jews coming from the west, he doesn't count those already in the east, of which Korherr states an additional 633,000 were evacuated (and these are partial figures). These were the Jews deported from ghettos in Russian territory which were also summarily dissolved. This puts the total figure well above 2 million.

Mattogno, as far as I know, unlike Sanning, has no objections to German documents giving population figures and also speaks of mass resettlement of Jews in the East, even beyond what is mentioned in the Korherr report.

Eg here he says evidence indicates the "611,000 missing Jews" of Auschwitz were sent into Russia.

 

[mrolonzo]

I never said they gave an exact figure, but it's reasonable to assume it's a lot, more than 2 million. Kues, who worked closely with Mattogno here, says this in the most exhaustive study on the whereabouts of the "gassed" Jews ever conducted by a revisionist:

"Taken together, this means that the number of Jews who reached the occupied eastern territories almost certainly amounted to somewhere between 1,800,000 and 1,900,000."

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You can see he takes the Korherr report at its word. But Kues's study only looks at Jews coming from the west, he doesn't count those already in the east, of which Korherr states an additional 633,000 were evacuated (and these are partial figures). These were the Jews deported from ghettos in Russian territory which were also summarily dissolved. This puts the total figure well above 2 million.

Mattogno, as far as I know, unlike Sanning, has no objections to German documents giving population figures and also speaks of mass resettlement of Jews in the East, even beyond what is mentioned in the Korherr report.

Eg here he says evidence indicates the "611,000 missing Jews" of Auschwitz were sent into Russia.

Okay.

We've established and we both agree that mass killing did not occur in the camps you mention. So where did they go?

 

[Betonhaus]

Also I've heard that there were a significant number of French in the same camps as the Jews, but we don't talk about them. When they finally got home they were branded as traitors when they tried to talk about what they've been through.

 

[mrolonzo]

Also I've heard that there were a significant number of French in the same camps as the Jews, but we don't talk about them. When they finally got home they were branded as traitors when they tried to talk about what they've been through.

That's weird why were they branded as traitors?