Russian Special Military Operation in the Ukraine - Mark IV: The Partitioning of Discussion

As for the R̶e̶d̶d̶i̶t̶ Ukrainian thread, a lot of the information we report is coming from the lips of the Ukrainians or foreign fighters fighting with Ukraine. When they were sperging about Wagner being wiped out, the Australian fighter in Bakhmut told us Wagner suffered very few casualties and the ones that were killed were fresh recruits. Ukrainian soldiers in Bakhmut have said in multiple interviews they rarely see Russian soldiers, because they fly their drones, get enemy positions, shell the fuck out of the area and then move in to reduce casualties.

You can easily and readily find all of this information, but the problem is they only buy the propaganda the west pumps out and then they regurgitate it as their own thought, which they don't possess. Obama made it so the US government could use propaganda against their own people, what do you think they are doing on the nightly news? They lack any kind of critical thinking skills whatsoever, this is how leftists who scream Nazi at everything got suckered into rooting for Nazis.
 
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"fortress of unassailable truth" is a statement that is usually used by individuals that have extreme difficulty with objective analysis and use blind faith as a crutch. And "stinky" is an insult usually used by juvenile children whole higher brain functions haven't kicked in yet.

We should have a wager of who does a better job of predicting the month-to-month timeline of events. Technically we have enough commentary on hand to already do so, but trawling the archives is a level of spite I'm indifferent to.
>The thing is our thread is the correct one and is a fortress of unassailable truth
lol random.txt material?
Also wasn't this guy pro-Russia in the old threads?
 
I am curious about this too. I know NPC programming can be completely rewritten, but this is significantly harder to back out of, than say Covid. They were just able to sell the idea, that the virus got less dangerous, because almost everyone was a good goy and took the shots, plus "we were lucky" that the virus evolved to be less lethal. No one can really verify or deny any of this, as normies have no equipment/knowledge, to inspect the virus on their own. Still, there are some true believers left, whom are deathly afraid of the virus and cannot comprehend why daddy government stopped enforcing the lockdowns and mask mandates.
Hiding the fact that a war has been lost, is not easy, it cannot be just explained away. I expect a lot of anger and resentment towards the tptb, from the pro-ukie side, if Ukraine loses.
I quickly posted the picture in the Ukraine thread to see how the Reddit bros would cope. TLDR it's a fake LARP from /pol. It's real but my version is shopped with the casualty numbers switched. Look here's a badly shopped pic posted on Reddit proving it. Well which one is it faggot? Dunnow?

Telling that they immediately started sperging about the KIA numbers and ignored the rest even though I made zero comment.

I get this is the pointy end of coomer retardation but I think we have our answer, it's real but fake and can be safely ignored. They've spent the last 20 pages on the thread wishing we would come back to talk to them interspersed with the normal NATO wunderwaffe spergathon.
 
Yup, turns out they are. Not fucking good, but too late. Besides the Russians were prepping tons of anti armor. Its going to be bloody as hell. All for the sake of propaganda. Jesus fucking christ.
Perhaps they are hoping this'll be Ukraine's Tet Offensive, i.e. losing the battle but proving they are still capable of continuing the war.

I am convinced that the support isn't to help Ukraine win, but to maximise the amount of dead Russians.
Part of me also suspects that all the dead Ukrainian men is a feature and not a bug to those fiends.
Whether the string pullers goal is for (((New Khazaria))) or to save European demographics with all those fertile young widows I cannot be sure.
 
Russia is moving ICBMs 38km from Finlands border after the announcement of Finland joining NATO

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Doubtful, Russians don't house road mobile ICBM in cities. Storage for road mobile ICBMs are separate from inhabitants and not located in cities. With an exception probably being the (And this is me assuming) closed cities AKA closed administrative-territorial formations" However support facilities that are located in the radius of the patrol area, are and can be in the cities.

It's also very rare road mobile ICBM's to be near a border. In all likely hood they are their for a quick/small repair or and refuel.


You can easily and readily find all of this information, but the problem is they only buy the propaganda the west pumps out and then they regurgitate it as their own thought, which they don't possess. Obama made it so the US government could use propaganda against their own people, what do you think they are doing on the nightly news? They lack any kind of critical thinking skills whatsoever, this is how leftists who scream Nazi at everything got suckered into rooting for Nazis.

The thing is. That thread lacks people with intelligences. Because if you really though about this even for a second.


This would be the logical conclusion.

My post from a while back
As far as the Russian loses. Ukrainians where already claiming before the Russian mobilization absurd loses up to 100000 men for the Russians. Which is simply not possible as the entire Russian force along with the rebels consisted of 250000 to circa 270000 men. If the Ukrainians truly did inflict such high losses. Russian Army and "Allies" would have crumbled long ago. Same with Americans claiming that 20000
Russians have already died. No mention of rebels. That would indicate that around 60000 to 70000 Russians have been killed captured missing and wounded. A figure that would pretty much collapse the entire Russian force months ago. But that hasn't happened along with Russia running out of tanks, cruise missiles and artillery shells or zillion other things Western and Ukrainian propaganda claims.
 
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I quickly posted the picture in the Ukraine thread to see how the Reddit bros would cope. TLDR it's a fake LARP from /pol. It's real but my version is shopped with the casualty numbers switched. Look here's a badly shopped pic posted on Reddit proving it. Well which one is it faggot? Dunnow?

Telling that they immediately started sperging about the KIA numbers and ignored the rest even though I made zero comment.

I get this is the pointy end of coomer retardation but I think we have our answer, it's real but fake and can be safely ignored. They've spent the last 20 pages on the thread wishing we would come back to talk to them interspersed with the normal NATO wunderwaffe spergathon.

Given that the Pentagon tried to get the images off the internet, it's definitely real. And the fact they announced they're hunting for the leaker. The document is marked Secret so a lot of people have that clearance. Good luck.

Also the casualty figures closely mirror the Mossad numbers posted.

Basically they believe the media and Ukranian numbers that they've destroyed the Russian army multiple times now and the 'orcs' just keep coming to kill themselves in Bakhmut.

There's really no point in rejoining the threads if they don't believe a leaked document that is obviously real if the Pentagon is freaking about it. What are we going to debate if they can't believe it from the horses mouth? There isn't a point.

Enough about them. This war is incredibly saddening, because it could have been avoided. NATO expansionist ambitions and the Minsk Treaty being bullshit antagonized Russia.

Tens of thousands of Ukranians are being killed and that demographic graph shows their entire young population dead or displaced. It paints a grim picture. Now they're doing a telegraphed and announced offensive, complete with leaked documents. All for a propaganda victory.

My bets is China will act as mediator rather than the US and make us look the fool. In any event, this will be a diplomatic win for China. While we're distracted they're chopping away at us slowly economically. Which I do celebrate because fuck capitalists and our 'elite' class of inbred retards.
 
@Secret Asshole by “China mediating” do you mean “You will end your fighting and you will both be vassals of Beijing. And beggars can’t be choosers now, can they?”

Because that’s the only way I can see China doing things.

No, I mean 'mediating' by just sitting there and let them hash it out. China will look more attractive on the world stage than the US and appear to be a better option. They've already done it before with the Saudis and Iran. It'd be a huge foreign policy win for them to do it here.
 
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From the look of it the one that says Ukraine suffered more casualties is a photoshop job, considering how wonky the lettering is. I also highly doubt the intel is accurate but that's on the DoD, not me.
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Tens of thousands of Ukranians are being killed and that demographic graph shows their entire young population dead or displaced. It paints a grim picture. Now they're doing a telegraphed and announced offensive, complete with leaked documents. All for a propaganda victory.
This. And to think that a year ago, their early successes had forced Russia to the negotiation table. Donetsk and Luhansk would have remained legally a part of Ukraine, just with guaranteed autonomy. Ukraine would have been enriched as the middleman facilitating Russian and EU trade, and most importantly, ~100,000 Ukranian men would have still been alive. But oh no, Boris Johnson just had to come in and fuck it all up.
 
As for the R̶e̶d̶d̶i̶t̶ Ukrainian thread, a lot of the information we report is coming from the lips of the Ukrainians or foreign fighters fighting with Ukraine. When they were sperging about Wagner being wiped out, the Australian fighter in Bakhmut told us Wagner suffered very few casualties and the ones that were killed were fresh recruits. Ukrainian soldiers in Bakhmut have said in multiple interviews they rarely see Russian soldiers, because they fly their drones, get enemy positions, shell the fuck out of the area and then move in to reduce casualties.
When I want to laugh at delusional losers larping as if they aren't losers I read that thread. It's a circus over there, the mental gymnastics are hilarious between talking about a "based mixed race entho nationalism with southern pride" to Ukraine is going to take back Donbass and Crimea While the Nato never stops sending them money to sperging about people over here.
Uaf counter offensive is cancelled. The Pentagon leaks are legit,
New York times
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"One of the slides said 16,000 to 17,500 Russian soldiers had been killed while Ukraine had suffered as many as 71,500 troop deaths."
Everything according to the analysts Seems to be accurate except the death count. The absolute cope I guess that's what happens when you share intelligence over discord.
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I am convinced that the support isn't to help Ukraine win, but to maximise the amount of dead Russians.
Part of me also suspects that all the dead Ukrainian men is a feature and not a bug to those fiends.
Whether the string pullers goal is for (((New Khazaria))) or to save European demographics with all those fertile young widows I cannot be sure.
It's about money and geo political influence. The US does not want Europe being reliant on Russia for gas as Ukraine is a pipeline from Russia to Europe. Because Europe being energy dependent on Russia is bad for the US and weakens Nato as a whole (basically the US) At the same time for the continued "support" it's great for weapons manufacturers with the current biden administration going threw a recession with the GDP being around 2-3% early 2021-2022 since the war in Ukraine GDP for the US has jumped up to 4-5%. War is always good for a flat lining economy. Not to mention essentially making any "sovereign" part of Ukraine that's left in debt to Nato (The US) for the next 250 years. Before I got mass reported on that thread they genuinely had no idea what the lend lease act was. They thought Nato members were just gifting Ukraine all this aide not expecting to be paid back.
 
Tens of thousands of Ukranians are being killed and that demographic graph shows their entire young population dead or displaced. It paints a grim picture. Now they're doing a telegraphed and announced offensive, complete with leaked documents. All for a propaganda victory.
Here's a good example-Ukraine,which is losing and on life support, is giving Russia an ultimatum over Crimea. Instead of negotiating an end, they're just posturing for their benefactors, and sending their soldiers to die just they can secure more gibs.

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It's about money and geo political influence. The US does not want Europe being reliant on Russia for gas as Ukraine is a pipeline from Russia to Europe. Because Europe being energy dependent on Russia is bad for the US and weakens Nato as a whole (basically the US)
The definition of missing the forest for the trees; denying Europe Russian gas and petroleum is the real reason for this clusterfuck, although I believe inflation is going to get worse in the US to reduce the debt. The only ones benefiting from increased military spending are those heavily invested in the MIC, namely the parasites in Congress/DC.
 
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From the look of it the one that says Ukraine suffered more casualties is a photoshop job, considering how wonky the lettering is. I also highly doubt the intel is accurate but that's on the DoD, not me.
I'm on team bogus. This is classified as top secret then it's not really a top secret document, the classification of restricted/secret/top secret have levels which correlate to the damage to the host nation that could occur from this information getting into the wrong hands. Nothing on this document screams top secret and "zomg we gun die". It seems more likely that Top Secret has been added to make the soyboy redditors believe it's super real.

The pentagon pulling the rug on this thing and trying to find the leaker seems more probable that they want it to seem like it was a legitimate leak, whereas if it was an official, top secret document that was leaked, they would say little, admit little, deny everything and say it was a forgery.

Correct me if Im wrong but I can't remember a time when a top secret document has leaked and the host nation has said "Oh yeah, that's ours, our bad". It's usually along the lines of denial or no comment.

Leaking it on social media works as it is full of pro-MIC arm chair analysts fighting the cyber-propaganda war, which can be just as damaging to the front lines as artillery. Doubly so when this information can help your side and the disinformation could hurt the other side. Britain did this a lot in WW2; sending out false information to the Germans to demoralise the troops.
 
It's about money and geo political influence. The US does not want Europe being reliant on Russia for gas as Ukraine is a pipeline from Russia to Europe. Because Europe being energy dependent on Russia is bad for the US and weakens Nato as a whole (basically the US)

Soviets been supplying gas to Europe consistently even throughout major potential flare ups with NATO. Russia also been a reliable supplier bar when Ukrainian's were syphoning off gas and demanded bigger price cut and bigger transfer costs along with other shenanigans

What America doesn't want. Is for EU too be competitive. And to do that it needed too cut EU from Russia and it's cheap energy and resources.
 
From the look of it the one that says Ukraine suffered more casualties is a photoshop job,
As per NYT the "photoshop job" one is accurate:
The Pentagon leaks are legit,
New York times
Archive
"One of the slides said 16,000 to 17,500 Russian soldiers had been killed while Ukraine had suffered as many as 71,500 troop deaths."
Everything according to the analysts Seems to be accurate except the death count. The absolute cope I guess that's what happens when you share intelligence over discord.
 
I'm on team bogus. This is classified as top secret then it's not really a top secret document, the classification of restricted/secret/top secret have levels which correlate to the damage to the host nation that could occur from this information getting into the wrong hands. Nothing on this document screams top secret and "zomg we gun die". It seems more likely that Top Secret has been added to make the soyboy redditors believe it's super real.

The pentagon pulling the rug on this thing and trying to find the leaker seems more probable that they want it to seem like it was a legitimate leak, whereas if it was an official, top secret document that was leaked, they would say little, admit little, deny everything and say it was a forgery.

Correct me if Im wrong but I can't remember a time when a top secret document has leaked and the host nation has said "Oh yeah, that's ours, our bad". It's usually along the lines of denial or no comment.

Leaking it on social media works as it is full of pro-MIC arm chair analysts fighting the cyber-propaganda war, which can be just as damaging to the front lines as artillery. Doubly so when this information can help your side and the disinformation could hurt the other side. Britain did this a lot in WW2; sending out false information to the Germans to demoralise the troops.

When Bradley Manning leaked all that shit, and everything Julian Assange leaked. The only 'Top Secret' document in the leak is the one with the casualty numbers. Which could absolutely do damage to the host nation. They've been touting they've been killing 'hundreds of thousands' of Russians, when they've only killed MAYBE 16k - 17k, when the Ukraine has lost far more than that. This damages the nation politically, drives down support for the war and increases public agitation for calls to stop throwing money into a pit that is a failure.

I mean, they've been caught in a massive lie that they're winning and its only a matter of time before Russia surrenders and it turns out that isn't true. That's massively damaging to everything and everyone involved and could have a severe impact on the war effort. So I don't see how it wouldn't be Top Secret. You'd want to hide the real numbers as much as possible, because it breaks the illusion things are going well for the Ukrainians and they're going to take back everything.

Why would you release a document that conflicts with your own narrative and paints you as a liar and would only stir up agitation among the populace and allies? It makes no sense. If the numbers were reversed, you could have a case for it. But releasing the actual casualty numbers only proves that you're lying about how well everything is going and makes people question the value of continuing in a fruitless struggle that is only prolonging the inevitable.

Contradicting your biggest point of support for the war is not something you do. Not even with 'fake' documents. It doesn't seem like propaganda. Just doesn't make sense to release a document that paints NATO and the US as serial liars wasting tons of money on a pointless dickwaving contest.

Not to mention if Russia didn't know actual casualty numbers, and now they do know, the likelihood of them surrendering or you getting a deal is out and out impossible. And they're still not going to stop prepping for a counteroffensive. So it serves no purpose other than to boost enemy morale, sow dissent at home, weaken support for Ukraine and decrease morale for the Ukrainians.

The only thing I do see is possible if its an OP, is that the CIA released it in order to weaken support for the Ukrainian conflict so they can pour resources into countering China. Because China is chipping away at the dollar and the CIA does not like that. And if it is fake, its the most fucking retarded thing they could have done, because Russia has its own intelligence to compare to the documents and if they don't match up, well, they won't trust it.
 
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Assuming. with those 600 vehicles they mean armored vehicles. That's a equivalent of a division wiped out or two divisions badly mulled.

Well, we don't actually know. It could be trucks, APCs, MBTS, AA, who the fuck knows at this point. And are they destroyed or just knocked out and can be repaired? Dunno, I'm assuming destroyed. But it makes sense to me since Russia lost a lot of fucking armor last year. That also makes me think the document is legit.
 
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