Ukrainian Defensive War against the Russian Invasion - Mark IV: The Partitioning of Discussion

I copy/pasted directly from the tweet I linked from the WSJ journo.

This is the highest resolution version of the real 'leak' I was able to find in a quick twitter search:

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If this is real, I am pretty MATI that a Joint Staff powerpoint presentation has to have a LITERAL GUIDE on what the various symbols mean. Do the fucking illiterates in the JOINT STAFF and the various intelligence agencies reading this not know the different between the symbol for a friendly Infantry Brigade and an enemy mechanized artillery battalion? This is like having a bunch of accountants who don't know how to use spreadsheets. wtf.
 
If you can convince @Feline Supremacist and @Elämällä on väliä to exist in the same thread, I'll consider it.
I will not go near that tranny. I have some standards and didn't enjoy STD's.
That is the photoshopped version.
Our beloved @borsabil AFAIR was seriously disputing about alleged capturing of Leo 2 crewed with polish soldiers.

So he will not miss a opportunity to not get catched by photoshop.

Armenia will join Defender 23. Also Moldova and BiH will take their part.

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Bro, ruzzia just cannot stop wunnyng. Bro, this is a sneaky plot.

If this is real,
What you are asking about?

If this paper exists? No doubt it exists.

If it is from Pentagon? Well, I doubt. Data from oryx, zero top-secret info, no rainbows at all
 
I copy/pasted directly from the tweet I linked from the WSJ journo.

This is the highest resolution version of the real 'leak' I was able to find in a quick twitter search:

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FIRST SOURCES:
original: https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/422407070/#422410051
zigger photoshop: https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/422429201/#422431230
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Therefore merging the threads wouldn't improve the quality of the discussion in any way. For that to happen both sides would need to be arguing in good faith.

We are arguing in good faith, we just consider the NYT, the WSJ, etc as US-State media. Which is why we try to avoid State Media outlets, like Russia Today, or Sputnik.

You have complete trust in state media, we have very little trust in state media. That's it, that's the difference.
 
We are arguing in good faith, we just consider the NYT, the WSJ, etc as US-State media. Which is why we try to avoid State Media outlets, like Russia Today, or Sputnik.

You have complete trust in state media, we have very little trust in state media. That's it, that's the difference.
Shtfu and go back to your containment thread. Same applies to the rest. The threads stay seperated. Period. I'm not reading the mental garbage from tranny feline and all the Spic/Amerimutttrash in the Russnigger thread.
 
I wonder if the legacy of the Mongol-Tartar Golden Horde yoke is why Russia is so...flexible with what it considers to be an unity East Slavic Russian identity.

Any many of these "Asian Russians" even Russian citizens? There are loads of central Asians in Russia as undocumented foreign nationals from the -stans doing menial work.
Russia has been, how do I put it... Ethnically dubious for the longest time. Slavic demographic tends to look down on ethnic minorities, and the term "Russian" itself is rather nebulous. And of course muscovites look down on anyone outside of their respective city-tumor. The subject of Russian national identity is a vast subject we could spend a lot of time discussing.

As for citizenship, Russian authorities started generously giving them out to these Asians willing to sign up for Ukraine trip. Heard of some dude who waited for years to get citizenship, he and his girlfriend were happy for all of one day before he was mobilized (many such cases).
There's a lot of undocumented people of course, working in construction and the like. They're basically our Mexicans, Americans will understand.
Beyond that, the people living in the Donbas who don't like living under Ukraine's government should be more than welcome to emigrate to Russia.
You'd think, but they insist the land is Russian and it's Ukrainians who should leave.
 
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We are arguing in good faith, we just consider the NYT, the WSJ, etc as US-State media. Which is why we try to avoid State Media outlets, like Russia Today, or Sputnik.

You have complete trust in state media, we have very little trust in state media. That's it, that's the difference.
I'm quite sure that you won't find anyone in this thread who uncritically believes everything Western media says about Ukraine. However, to believe that everything is going according to plan for Russia, you must believe in Russian state media and use it as your only source because independent Russian milbloggers are often critical of the Russian MoD. For example, Igor Girkin was sounding the alarm in April of last year because he correctly predicted that Russia would run out of manpower without mobilization. Eventually he got his mobilization, after a planned regrouping that just happened to coincide with a Ukrainian offensive. Similarly, some Russian milbloggers correctly pointed out that the Ukrainian strategy in Kherson was to destroy the bridges to starve Russian units and perhaps completely cut them off.

But other than listening to alternative Russian sources, you can also use your brain. It's common sense to not assault a city head-on if you have any other options. We can see on the map that the Russians did the logical thing and tried to encircle Bakhmut, and pro-Russian sources were predicting a cauldron even a few weeks ago. However, something seems to have happened and instead of doing the logical thing, they started assaulting Bakhmut head-on.

If we go back even further, we can find more outlandish predictions. After the 'feint' at Kyiv, most pro-Russian commentators were predicting a massive cauldron in the Donbas.

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A year ago nobody said "In a year's time we will probably have started to take Bakhmut". I would challenge anyone saying that things are going according to plan to find predictions from a year ago that line up with current Russian goals or ambitions. You won't find it. A year ago, Russia was going to take all of Ukraine, or at least everything east of the Dnieper. Now they are happy to have almost taken Bakhmut.
 
We are arguing in good faith, we just consider the NYT, the WSJ, etc as US-State media. Which is why we try to avoid State Media outlets, like Russia Today, or Sputnik.

You have complete trust in state media, we have very little trust in state media. That's it, that's the difference.
You say "we", but majority of local ziggers swear by RT and countless dubious telegrams with zero credibility. I've seen it enough times to know that you're bullshitting us.

@Super Saiyan Hitler Thanks for reminding me of this hilarity. GONNA CULDRON ANY SECOND NOW!
 
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I'm sorry but the pro-ukranian one is very clearly tampered with.

The pro ukraine image has:
1. Very clear pixelation/seams that often cut into the text, you wouldn't see this unless you're photoshoping at a higher resolution than the image itself.
2. The casualty numbers are of an inconsistent font size compared to the rest of the text, the text seems off by about 1 font size.
3. The casualty text also seems very slightly higher resolution than the rest of the text.

The pro russian image also has some minor signs of tampering but at a lower resolution edits are a lot easier to spot and a lot harder to hide so that would suggest either the photoshoper is really fucking good at photoshoping or the pro russian map is less heavily edited. So there was probably an original map with numbers that didn't flatter anyone, then came the two edits being posted here.
 
We are arguing in good faith, we just consider the NYT, the WSJ, etc as US-State media. Which is why we try to avoid State Media outlets, like Russia Today, or Sputnik.

You have complete trust in state media, we have very little trust in state media. That's it, that's the difference.
"Don't just blindly swallow state media"

Alright. Who then do we trust? Privately owned mainstream news outlets? But you say they're basically state media. Milbloggers and random Twitter users who may or may not be ideologically biased and/or spitting out state media kayfabe themselves? Or do we think for ourselves under so many assumptions (which you paint as reasonable) that we arrive "independently" in the other side's propaganda hive-mind?
 
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We are arguing in good faith, we just consider the NYT, the WSJ, etc as US-State media. Which is why we try to avoid State Media outlets, like Russia Today, or Sputnik.

You have complete trust in state media, we have very little trust in state media. That's it, that's the difference.
Oh fuck off with that noise. The only things you trust are things that confirm your preconceived notions. I've even seen the Dread Feline post Newsweek articles whenever they say something she likes.

Should be noted however the sources supporting Russias position have been wrong, consistently in provable fashion. 2 more weeks!
 
I'm sorry but the pro-ukranian one is very clearly tampered with.
We have visual evidence of more than 8 Russian Aircraft shotdown as well as photos and videos of more than 600 Russian ground vehicles destroyed, with more than 600 unique post USSR Russian vechiles captured and put into Ukr Military service alone. To claim the DoD is unaware of this and would generate publications that far off is total bullshit.
 
I'm sorry but the pro-ukranian one is very clearly tampered with.

The pro ukraine image has:
1. Very clear pixelation/seams that often cut into the text, you wouldn't see this unless you're photoshoping at a higher resolution than the image itself.
2. The casualty numbers are of an inconsistent font size compared to the rest of the text, the text seems off by about 1 font size.
3. The casualty text also seems very slightly higher resolution than the rest of the text.

The pro russian image also has some minor signs of tampering but at a lower resolution edits are a lot easier to spot and a lot harder to hide so that would suggest either the photoshoper is really fucking good at photoshoping or the pro russian map is less heavily edited. So there was probably an original map with numbers that didn't flatter anyone, then came the two edits being posted here.
Do you have brain damage?
Serious, do you have it or what!?
as Mg-34 said, we have visual proof that Russia has lost way more stuff then it is claimed in this photoshoped shit.
Is this what Russia supporters have been reduced to? Blindly beliving everything that is put up on /chug/ and other shit!?
 
Do you have brain damage?
AFAIR (((they))) was arguing that every single photo of blowed ruzzkie shit on oryx or similar sites is fabricated.

After that they was starting to dispute if it was one or more polish crews captured in Leo 2's.

Also (((they))) are so assmad that they are trying to rewrite history, and are calling muscovie-polish truce from of 1582 a white peace - well, Muscovia was forced to abandon most of their baltic ports and it was just before ruzzkies Time of Troubles (a major event inthat time: lets say for few decades ruzzia was a free ride for everyone, AFAIR one of polish aristocrats captured Moscow with private armyor so). On this moment ruzzian propaganda and they parrots in West are just full orwellian, but without pyramid office buildings.

I was curious why the hell they are sperging about polish history, and viola! I found:



KYIV, April 6 (Reuters) - Ukraine's state arms producer said on Thursday it would launch joint production of 125-mm rounds for Soviet-era tanks with Polish arms producer Polska Grupa Zbrojeniowa (PGZ).
 
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Do you have brain damage?
Serious, do you have it or what!?
as Mg-34 said, we have visual proof that Russia has lost way more stuff then it is claimed in this photoshoped shit.
Is this what Russia supporters have been reduced to? Blindly beliving everything that is put up on /chug/ and other shit!?
fyi most vatniks consider osint stats like oryx to be fake nato shills, and claim that their numbers are inflated because
>this is actually multiple pictures of the same vehicle, not pictures of multiple destroyed vehicles!
>this is shopped, i can tell by some of the pixels and having seen quite a few shops in my time!
>this is actually an old picture from syria/georgia/chechenya/donbas and not from the special military operation!
>this picture is actually an intact vehicle that is falsely claimed to be destroyed!
 
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