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[Xarpho's Return]

So the system isn't being used enough to justify costs, partially because people ride bikes, so they scale it back, and you get mad because your taxes ARENT being wasted??? r/fuckcars truly are euro weebs

Even a minor change could fuck over your commute if you ride the bus, but it isn't worth complaining about if you don't use that route, and if you other, more flexible modes of transportation you can use that anyway.

I didn't like it when bus routes changed when I was still at college, but I rode my bicycle everywhere. However, these people probably aren't sympathizing with the routes being altered, they're just mad at the principle of it all.

 

[WelperHelper99]

Even a minor change could fuck over your commute if you ride the bus, but it isn't worth complaining about if you don't use that route, and if you other, more flexible modes of transportation you can use that anyway.

I didn't like it when bus routes changed when I was still at college, but I rode my bicycle everywhere. However, these people probably aren't sympathizing with the routes being altered, they're just mad at the principle of it all.

That I can sympathize with, but the costs are a different matter. If the busses aren't getting full you're burning cash and putting wear on the vehicles. State cash. Not yours, like with a car. That's my concern.

 

[CFC-12]

They think induced demand is real. Like that you can invest whatever amount of money you want into transit and ridership will just appear out of thin air, and if you build more roads they will just fill up with more car traffic.

Interesting how "induced demand" only ever occurs on roads that are already always busy all the time and often have an increasing number of people who want to use them. If I add a lane to a busy expressway into a city, it fills up with cars. If I build one, or two, or even five extra lanes on a rural highway, the same number of people travel it. Hmmm.

Jason knows about this thread. Hi Jason!
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Nothing says "I've made it" like finding a forum thread dedicated to documenting how stupid your claims usually are.

 

[WelperHelper99]

Jason admits that crossovers aren‘t any larger than cars (but only in Europe):

From Subaru's own website on the outback:

Trying to cope that a 5 SEAT suv doesn't count as a SUV is chuckle worthy.

Jason knows about this thread. Hi Jason!

Nothing says "I've made it" like finding a forum thread dedicated to documenting how stupid your claims usually are.

Ah, we're far right because we want to keep our cars. Guess I'll get my Klan hood lol.

 

[reptile baht spaniard rid]

It amuses me to no end that transit freaks will NOT ADMIT buses suck! They only really have exceptional value in things like travelling from a parking garage to the airport or similar or for large group excursions - and that later they get their value FROM the already existing car network (roads). And the bikers know but may not admit that bikes can BTFO buses depending on how often the busses have to stop, but bikes on buses or trains is a fuck of various magnitudes.

Trains/trams/subways can be workable because they don't have the disadvantage of buses, and if done right (rarely) they can even beat out cars. And guess where those work best? In older cities and those actually designed around them (see: Japan, older Europe, even some places in the USA). What kills them? Going to shit because of crime.

 

[WelperHelper99]

It amuses me to no end that transit freaks will NOT ADMIT buses suck! They only really have exceptional value in things like travelling from a parking garage to the airport or similar or for large group excursions - and that later they get their value FROM the already existing car network (roads). And the bikers know but may not admit that bikes can BTFO buses depending on how often the busses have to stop, but bikes on buses or trains is a fuck of various magnitudes.

Trains/trams/subways can be workable because they don't have the disadvantage of buses, and if done right (rarely) they can even beat out cars. And guess where those work best? In older cities and those actually designed around them (see: Japan, older Europe, even some places in the USA). What kills them? Going to shit because of crime.

Buses are also loud, stop a lot, have poor visibility, and stopping one takes a lot of effort. They weigh as much as armored vehicles, which is hell on the road compared to a F-150 even, and then you have crime. Plenty of pictures and video of guys shooting up heroin on them.

Trains and trams have many of the same issues, but on a larger scale. If they go to shit, it's a lot easier to hide and do sketchy shit. Not to mention unique crimes, like the infamous groping in Japan. Not to mention when a bus or train crash, there's a MUCH higher death toll than a car. That's yet another thing, maintenence. You're relying on a city to keep these trains and buses running, which if the budget is thin... you get Ohio.

 

[reptile baht spaniard rid]

Trains and trams have many of the same issues, but on a larger scale. If they go to shit, it's a lot easier to hide and do sketchy shit. Not to mention unique crimes, like the infamous groping in Japan. Not to mention when a bus or train crash, there's a MUCH higher death toll than a car. That's yet another thing, maintenence. You're relying on a city to keep these trains and buses running, which if the budget is thin... you get Ohio.

One interesting thing is that the modern train/tram style with an internal walkway between seats is, well, modern - ancient early trains had little rooms that only opened to the outside, so you couldn't move from room to room except at stations. Something like that would be nice; but it wouldn't allow the densities necessary for them to 'work' economically.

there's a weird 'mass transit is needed to make dense urban cities work' and 'dense urban cities are needed to make mass transit work' loop that kind of hides the implied assumption that it's somehow good on its own. They claim to have a carbon/climate change argument why the bughives are more energy efficient or something, but I'm not sure how well researched it is. Every city I ever seen looks like it uses a hell more energy than a small town, and the earth handles a small town better than a city, too.

 

[WelperHelper99]

One interesting thing is that the modern train/tram style with an internal walkway between seats is, well, modern - ancient early trains had little rooms that only opened to the outside, so you couldn't move from room to room except at stations. Something like that would be nice; but it wouldn't allow the densities necessary for them to 'work' economically.

there's a weird 'mass transit is needed to make dense urban cities work' and 'dense urban cities are needed to make mass transit work' loop that kind of hides the implied assumption that it's somehow good on its own. They claim to have a carbon/climate change argument why the bughives are more energy efficient or something, but I'm not sure how well researched it is. Every city I ever seen looks like it uses a hell more energy than a small town, and the earth handles a small town better than a city, too.

The heating and lighting bill in a city like New York is enormous, and that isn't counting any other electrical uses, like trams. Multiple towns could be powered from all the coal burned powering one of these mega cities, with the plus of owning your own home.

 

[Markass the Worst]

New Daily Rake.

https://dailyrake.ca/2023/04/10/psa-deboonking-the-traffic-soyboys-part-27-blitzing-through-the-absence-of-ponzi-scheme-evidence/

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It's interesting how much of Marohn's early work is based on a whole bunch of nothing, but later he and Jason claw at the few examples of cities going bankrupt to prove their point (even though it doesn't), or if they're really desperate they'll go on about how cities don't go bankrupt, acksually, and insolvency manifests in other ways like the water supply being cut off.

 

[Lobster Cult High Priest]

New Daily Rake.

https://dailyrake.ca/2023/04/10/psa-deboonking-the-traffic-soyboys-part-27-blitzing-through-the-absence-of-ponzi-scheme-evidence/

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It's interesting how much of Marohn's early work is based on a whole bunch of nothing, but later he and Jason claw at the few examples of cities going bankrupt to prove their point (even though it doesn't), or if they're really desperate they'll go on about how cities don't go bankrupt, acksually, and insolvency manifests in other ways like the water supply being cut off.

Well of course it isn't the corrupt Black Mayors (Kirkpatricks) who caused Detroit to go bankrupt. It was all the Racist Whites moving to the Suburbs.

 

[CFC-12]

Ah, we're far right because we want to keep our cars. Guess I'll get my Klan hood lol.

It really is just the all-purpose deflection for these kinds of people. Anyone who disagrees with you on any topic, for any reason, regardless of what points they're talking about? Alt right!

 

[ilovejews]

/r/fuckcars user proves that you don’t need a truck to transport a fridge:
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One of the comments suggests /r/killthecar which is a subreddit full of this type of thing.

That's one of us taking the piss, right? I mean you'd have to be literally retarded to post that in earnest.

 

[Xarpho's Return]

It really is just the all-purpose deflection for these kinds of people. Anyone who disagrees with you on any topic, for any reason, regardless of what points they're talking about? Alt right!

To any community that nukes any vaguely right-wing opinion KF does seem "extremely right wing".

 

[WelperHelper99]

It really is just the all-purpose deflection for these kinds of people. Anyone who disagrees with you on any topic, for any reason, regardless of what points they're talking about? Alt right!

To any community that nukes any vaguely right-wing opinion KF does seem "extremely right wing".

It does get annoying really having to justify wanting a F-150 and then getting called "alt right" because of it, especially if it's one of those old V10 models lol. They can't accept people like cars and need trucks, and even if they don't NEED a truck, they want one with a big ass V8 for the hell of it (which you can order from Ford directly, wink). Personally I want a truck because of my job, and I want a minivan for future kids, and a Ford Bronco for fun, but I shouldn't have to justify that; if I have the money I should be able to get it regardless of the bug people in the cities

 

[Lobster Cult High Priest]

I wonder how many of the Traffic Soyboys get triggered by this Alan Jackson country music classic (right behind it's 5 o clock somewhere) "When Daddy let me drive".

They probably call people carbrains for being nostalgic for the good times of first learning to drive with your old man. (but to be fair I doubt the traffic soyboys had good relationships with their fathers / father figures or even had fathers in the picture)

 

[WelperHelper99]

I wonder how many of the Traffic Soyboys get triggered by this Alan Jackson country music classic (right behind it's 5 o clock somewhere) "When Daddy let me drive".

They probably call people carbrains for being nostalgic for the good times of first learning to drive with your old man. (but to be fair I doubt the traffic soyboys had good relationships with their fathers / father figures or even had fathers in the picture)

Actual fathers in their lives? Silly! Single motherhood and a copy of SimCity is all you need to grow up completely functional. None of this dad teaching you to drive shit *cries internally*

 

[quaawaa]

Jason complains that paying for your own infrastructure is proof of the Suburban Growth Ponzi Scheme:

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If all services are privatized then the residents are paying for themselves and therefore are not a drain on the taxpayer, which means that the suburbs aren’t a Ponzi scheme. If anything, they’re subsidizing the dense parts of the city because being in a HOA doesn’t decrease property taxes.

 

[WelperHelper99]

Jason complains that paying for your own infrastructure is proof of the Suburban Growth Ponzi Scheme:
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If all services are privatized then the residents are paying for themselves and therefore are not a drain on the taxpayer, which means that the suburbs aren’t a Ponzi scheme.

Last time I checked the bank can take your house if you stop paying your mortgage. How many times has NYC been broke and ran it's services at a loss?

 

[reptile baht spaniard rid]

Jason complains that paying for your own infrastructure is proof of the Suburban Growth Ponzi Scheme:
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If all services are privatized then the residents are paying for themselves and therefore are not a drain on the taxpayer, which means that the suburbs aren’t a Ponzi scheme. If anything, they’re subsidizing the dense parts of the city because being in a HOA doesn’t decrease property taxes.

just because it's privatized doesn't mean it isn't paid for via the tax system; many trash pickups are privatized, but negotiated via the city and paid for out of property tax

(personally I'm against "utilities" whatever those may be considered being privatized, but I understand why it can happen; i also like them to be as local as possible; a suburb with its own trash trucks vs a giant metro-wide trash collecting enterprise)

 

[General Emílio Médici]

I remembered this video, and it seems exactly the type of thing that these "people" see to be running towards. Perfect efficiency, no cars or congestion, all the "needs" of the people "met" and all urban design has been meticulously planned and optimized.

From the creator: "Sims don't need to travel long distances, because their workplace is just within walking distance. In fact they do not even need to leave their own block." OMG SO WALKABLE AND URBANIST!

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I've a quote from one of your Facebook status updates here: "The economic slave never realizes he is kept in a cage going round and round basically nowhere with millions of others." Do you feel that sums up the lives of the citizens of Magnasanti?

Precisely that. Technically, no one is leaving or coming into the city. Population growth is stagnant. Sims don't need to travel long distances, because their workplace is just within walking distance. In fact they do not even need to leave their own block. Wherever they go it's like going to the same place.

Heavy.

There are a lot of other problems in the city hidden under the illusion of order and greatness--suffocating air pollution, high unemployment, no fire stations, schools, or hospitals, a regimented lifestyle--this is the price that these sims pay for living in the city with the highest population. It's a sick and twisted goal to strive towards. The ironic thing about it is the sims in Magnasanti tolerate it. They don't rebel, or cause revolutions and social chaos. No one considers challenging the system by physical means since a hyper-efficient police state keeps them in line. They have all been successfully dumbed down, sickened with poor health, enslaved and mind-controlled just enough to keep this system going for thousands of years. 50,000 years to be exact. They are all imprisoned in space and time.

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Tour of the City and save file for download. Gotta love that ticker. Sims Want More Fun In Their Lives - Sims Want More Fun In Their Lives - Sims Want More Fun In Their Lives - Sims Want More Fun In Their Lives