Russian Special Military Operation in the Ukraine - Mark IV: The Partitioning of Discussion

Secret Asshole said:
Everyone with a fucking brain knew this wasn't just Ukraine vs. Russia, this is NATO vs. Russia, which is what a proxy war is. If you still believe that NATO isn't shooting at Russians and its 'just' Ukrainian soldiers, you're too fucking stupid to talk about geopolitics.
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Sir, this is Russian disinformation.
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Secret Asshole said:
Everyone with a fucking brain knew this wasn't just Ukraine vs. Russia, this is NATO vs. Russia, which is what a proxy war is. If you still believe that NATO isn't shooting at Russians and its 'just' Ukrainian soldiers, you're too fucking stupid to talk about geopolitics.

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We've had anecdotal evidence of this for months. The Austrian general talking about, "Well, if they drop out of the military and take a Ukranian contract, they're not NATO military anymore, right? *wink wink*" And the Wagner PMCs who had a metric ton of patches from NATO countries as well as US, UK and AUS.
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Angela Merkel straight up admitted that the Minsk agreements were nothing but a ruse to trick Russia into thinking there could be peace so that NATO had more time to arm Ukraine and go back to war.
 
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Computer Guardian said:
I wonder how long its going to take untill they end up having to start them back up due to the infinitely less power they'll be able to generate.
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Reactors take hours to shut down in an orderly fashion and days to "cool off" to their minimum expected temperature with fuel still present. It similarly takes hours to cold-start a reactor and get it synchronized to the power grid. And that's under normal conditions. The upside is that even if they really do start turning off the reactors Saturday, they've still got to wait for them to cool down before they can be accessed for any purpose at all, and that's a window of time for sanity to briefly visit them.

If they're stupid enough to actually start decommissioning these reactors, restarting them gets expensive and time-consuming really fast. If they've "only" defueled them and left things mothballed (and the fuel in a local cooling pool) with a skeleton crew on-site keeping the lights on, they can conceivably refuel and restart them in a couple weeks. If they actually take all the fuel offsite, they're looking at months to restart -- between bureaucracy (folks like to keep track of that amount of nuclear material moving all at once), safety concerns and actual work time (it's slow, high-precision work) there is no "fast path" to restarting a reactor at a plant with no fuel.

Any decommissioning steps taken after defueling is going to delay any potential restart up to a point, until the time comes to disassemble the reactor itself or any of its major supporting systems. By that point, it's done and over, and you're better off building a new plant than trying to rebuild the plant you've been tearing down for months again.

It cannot be understated how fucking stupid this decision is. They can't replace this power production with their own natural resources. They're utterly destroying their self-sufficiency with this blunder. Their only option is to buy expensive fossil fuels (potentially from the very enemy their venomous ally to the west is warring with) and piss away even more money. That or let the German people freeze to death this winter. And the fuckers are insane enough to go with the latter rather than admit they fucked up.
 
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I faked the autism said:
The alleged doxes of a CIA operatives in Moscow and Ukraine.
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Archive (if true) it's important to note it was 4chan who doxed an actual glownigger, specifically /pol/. (If true) this could be on the news in the next 24hrs.
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Gay larp without proof until there's any evidence. God I hate (current) 4chinz, of the dozens of replies there's only 1-2 people asking for sources or evidence and nobody looking into it further. 99.999% chance it's completely fake and those names are just anagrams for something funny, this guy's friends/IRL enemies, or just random fakes chosen to sound Cyrillic-but-not-ethnic-Russian. There's no reason for anyone with this info to post it publicly, on an English-speaking website, and on fucking 4cuck of all places shortly after 2 of their postertards got identified & arrested for their dumb fedposts (with full cooperation from the site's administration).
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However, in the off-chance it's real (which it's not, but if it was), it would be almost as funny as when /sg/ got a russian drone strike called in on ISIS by geolocating their coordinates.
 
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moocow said:
potentially from the very enemy their venomous ally to the west is warring with
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What options do they have? Norway already doesn't have the capacity and the USA are operating at a deficit and would never risk running dry themselves just to keep Germany afloat. Making the matter worse for them, the deadline they gave themselves for electrification of private vehicles is fast approaching.
 
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Gay larp without proof until there's any evidence. God I hate (current) 4chinz, of the dozens of replies there's only 1-2 people asking for sources or evidence and nobody looking into it further. 99.999% chance it's completely fake and those names are just anagrams for something funny, this guy's friends/IRL enemies, or just random fakes chosen to sound cyrillic-but-not-ethnic-russian. There's no reason for anyone with this info to post it publicly, on an English-speaking website, and on fucking 4cuck of all places shortly after 2 of their postertards got identified & arrested for their dumb fedposts (with full cooperation from the site's administration).

However, in the off-chance it's real (which it's not, but if it was), it would be almost as funny as when /sg/ got a russian drone strike called in on ISIS by geolocating their coordinates.
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I remember when that happened, and that thread.
 
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Is it over for Bakhmut, Ukraine's Verdun?
Every day more of the city is taken, and apparently the only road is fucked.
 
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Abyssal Bulwark said:
It'll be over soon enough; maybe expect corpopress articles about "Why Bakhmut wasn't important, and that's a good thing".
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I know most of you probably don't spend a lot of time over in the other thread, but the new narrative for weeks has been that Bakhmut was never important, and was designed as a trap to bait Russians into a meat grinder (extremely successfully, according to them). Expect them to stick with that. Bakhmut finally taken after the Ukrainian defenders casually withdraw after 6 months, after having finally expended the last of their munitions gunning down hundreds of thousands of orcish invaders.
 
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moocow said:
It cannot be understated how fucking stupid this decision is. They can't replace this power production with their own natural resources. They're utterly destroying their self-sufficiency with this blunder. Their only option is to buy expensive fossil fuels (potentially from the very enemy their venomous ally to the west is warring with) and piss away even more money. That or let the German people freeze to death this winter. And the fuckers are insane enough to go with the latter rather than admit they fucked up.
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The only reason I could see the government doing this, thinking on it, was to counter the US blowing up the pipeline by increasing pressure on German infrastructure and blame the war in Ukraine, driving down support for the war. But this is so retarded I had to think like a retard to come up with it.

Abyssal Bulwark said:
It'll be over soon enough; maybe expect corpopress articles about "Why Bakhmut wasn't important, and that's a good thing".
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Kane Lives said:
That or "Russia took six months to take Bakhmut. Putler's downfall is imminent!!!"
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The responses "WELL RUSSIA DIDN'T TAKE BAHKMUT LIKE THE US TOOK IRAQ" which is a tired point. But the other point is that Russia situated it so Ukraine would throw so much at it to deplete their skilled soldiers. Pretty much all of their skilled personnel are tied down in Bakhmut and can't really participate in the offensive or have been killed in an intentionally made meatgrinder by Russia.

But yes, the US will push aside Bakhmut like it will push aside Ukraine, if we don't fucking start WWIII over this fucking shithole.

TheGreatDodongus said:
I know most of you probably don't spend a lot of time over in the other thread, but the new narrative for weeks has been that Bakhmut was never important, and was designed as a trap to bait Russians into a meat grinder (extremely successfully, according to them). Expect them to stick with that. Bakhmut finally taken after the Ukrainian defenders casually withdraw after 6 months, after having finally expended the last of their munitions gunning down hundreds of thousands of orcish invaders.
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That's going to be the media line anyway, even if the West was begging Zelinsky to pull out before he made it the holy ground.
 
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TheGreatDodongus said:
I know most of you probably don't spend a lot of time over in the other thread, but the new narrative for weeks has been that Bakhmut was never important, and was designed as a trap to bait Russians into a meat grinder (extremely successfully, according to them). Expect them to stick with that. Bakhmut finally taken after the Ukrainian defenders casually withdraw after 6 months, after having finally expended the last of their munitions gunning down hundreds of thousands of orcish invaders.
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Meatgrinder? For that to work, the Russian casualties would have to match or ideally, far exceed, the hohol's own.

All indications so far is that they're actually coming ahead on that front lol. For a country that is already bigger and hasn't fully mobilised even.
 
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Kane Lives said:
Meatgrinder? For that to work, the Russian casualties would have to match or ideally, far exceed, the hohol's own.

All indications so far is that they're actually coming ahead on that front lol. For a country that is already bigger and hasn't fully mobilised even.
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Also kind of funny since it was the Russian's decision to make Bakhmut a meatgrinder, not the other way around.
I saw some videos from Bakhmut yesterday and it looked like shooting fish in a barrel. The salient is getting tighter and tighter and the area the Ukrainians are in is shrinking and shrinking, and the Russians were just pulverizing this area with artillery nonstop.
 
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TheGreatDodongus said:
Bakhmut was never important, and was designed as a trap to bait Russians into a meat grinder (extremely successfully, according to them).
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It's kind of true, I suppose. The Russians have been cranking that handle for weeks, now.

It's not often you hear pigs cheering for more sausage.
 
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