The Holocaust Thread - The Great Debate Between Affirmers, Revisionists and Deniers

[Betonhaus]

There is nothing stopping you reading actual revisionist research, essays and books on this. So why haven't you?

Where's a good place to start? Like a compiled book or something? I've seen bits and pieces but it would be nice to finally read a comprehensive investigation.

 

[mrolonzo]

Where's a good place to start? Like a compiled book or something? I've seen bits and pieces but it would be nice to finally read a comprehensive investigation.

Good question;

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Go there and look for the beginners guide. They offer a free file or you can order a hard copy.

 

[DDR Yoga]

@mrolonzo

So you are saying the quotes offered by the History guy are fake. Interesting. I await their response on the "6 million dead in a holocaust" being reported repeatedly since 1890.

As for why don't I read about it, I'm not interested enough and too lazy. If you have any links to filmed to debates though, I will watch them.

Thanks.

 

[mrolonzo]

@mrolonzo

So you are saying the quotes offered by the History guy are fake. Interesting. I await their response on the "6 million dead in a holocaust" being reported repeatedly since 1890.

As for why don't I read about it, I'm not interested enough and too lazy. If you have any links to filmed to debates though, I will watch them.

Thanks.

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[Lemmingwiser]

No governments. No armies. No companies. It’s all a conspiracy theory.

All a conspiracy theory.



(ps I don't think they control everything, but to say they have no power or influence is delusional)

 

[Male Idiot]

I am required by law to say thr Lolocaust happened.

It can not be denied. It is the cornerstone of existence to which all must bend to.

But I can say a completely unrelated question. Does truth needs laws to ban any discourse? Big thunkful moment.

 

[Chugger]

As for why don't I read about it, I'm not interested enough and too lazy. If you have any links to filmed to debates though, I will watch them.

this debate was pretty funny in retrospect, probably watching it again would change my opinion

This debate is nearly unlistenable lol but I liked this part https://youtu.be/aRpWoY8IRdw?t=3214 "hundreds of thousands of documents FAWGED"

 

[mrolonzo]

this debate was pretty funny in retrospect, probably watching it again would change my opinion

Jesus even that debate was a revisionist win and Jim Rizoli ain't no serious debater. Jim just knows alot more about it so it's tough to get it all out in conversation. History Speaks has tried his luck on codoh of course. Chugger are you taking a break from the bombs away thread while you think up your next dodge? Looks like they're cornering you good now. Be fascinated to see how you break out of your position now..

One more thing. Do you feel better now that some utter retards have come out the woodwork to post that the holocaust happened just because? Did you put them up to this embarrassing display?

 

[Bonesjones]

Jesus even that debate was a revisionist win and Jim Rizoli ain't no serious debater. Jim just knows alot more about it so it's tough to get it all out in conversation. History Speaks has tried his luck on codoh of course. Chugger are you taking a break from the bombs away thread while you think up your next dodge? Looks like they're cornering you good now. Be fascinated to see how you break out of your position now..

Its funny watching them reuse my own arguments months later, I doubt many of them read the farms, so I'm guessing it's fairly organic.

 

[mrolonzo]

Its funny watching them reuse my own arguments months later, I doubt many of them read the farms, so I'm guessing it's fairly organic.

Yeah it's organic but while you make pointed rebuttals they'll make long points not letting him away with anything while being extraordinarily polite. Plus they'll throw in a few extra details too. He's trying to get out now though saying he 'doesn't want to continue the back and forth ' because they're being 'too antagonistic'. They just told him he's not being honest... they obviously don't know the half of it...

 

[Betonhaus]

In other news we're experiencing another DDoS attack. Reason unknown. Possibly Related.

 

[Gog & Magog]

Maybe you should work on that instead of participating in things that don't bring you joy.

But this is fun. And I can tell you all find this fun too.

He had misgivings about what side he was on in the conflict between germany and the soviet union when he saw what things were like on the ground level. As he took berlin he famously said "We have defeated the wrong enemy".

He meant the order they should killed them in, not whether they ought to have been friends with the Fascists.

How do you know what he always does?

I read his posts.

Have you lurked this thread for a while?

I read the thread.

Are you someone's alt?

?????????

Why the duplicity?

Name a single instance I've lied to you. If you can't come up with one don't worry, you can always make facts up like you usually do.

If you love white people, then tell us directly. Tell us how thankful you are for white people putting their necks on the line to save the jews from oblivion.

I don't. I don't love any race. I love the human race <3 (even if i do feel like genociding others every now and then.)
Also why the "white people" line? Why not just spell whites instead of tacking on people at the end?
Plus you nor any other slow-in-the-heads here are among the whites who did anything useful for the world.

Tell us how without white people, you wouldn't exist

I'm a mutt. Without whites or coloreds I would not exist. Considering how mixed Americans are, some of you wouldn't either.

Why doesn't the Jewish people do this?

?????????????? I don't think anyone says that shit. I've never heard whites say shit like this.

Or is it because they are awful people Hitler said they are, and are incapable of even the tiniest bits of gratitude towards white people?

1. Groveling before those you hate your race is pathetic. You are pathetic for simping for a 'master race' that would have gassed you for being an autist.
2. Jews are white.

Do you have a heart for the Germans during and post WW2, the ones that suffered the most in Europe?

I've read plenty of stories that humanize the Germans. If you think they're not humanized enough, you haven't payed attention.

The fact that most revisionist are simple seekers of truth

XD

You know he's just dodging everything all the time just like Chugger

Maybe he doesn't like you? You're rude, spiteful, petty and not smart. You guys are on par with America First's brightest minds. In fact what's the difference between them and you guys?

 

[Lemmingwiser]

He meant the order they should killed them in, not whether they ought to have been friends with the Fascists.

If he writes wrong enemy, it obviously means he thinks of both of them as enemies, but one worse than the other.
From what do you surmise that I think he would have wanted to be friends with fascists?

 

[The Tall Man]

I've read plenty of stories that humanize the Germans.

Can you link me some?

 

[No Memory]

Just popping in this thread to dab on Stan being doxed.

 

[Johan Schmidt]

Just popping in this thread to dab on Stan being doxed.

Stan got doxxed? When and where

 

[History Speaks]

I did a debate (well, the first round of a debate) with Thomas Dalton, one of Zo's beloved "Holocaust handbooks" authors.

History Speaks Debates Thomas Dalton

Below are my and Thomas Dalton's opening statements for this debate. It should be noted that these are "cold" openings; neither of us wrote our statements in response to the statement of the other. Two rounds of rebuttal will follow in the days and weeks to come.

historyspeaks.substack.com

 

[History Speaks]

@mrolonzo

I await their response on the "6 million dead in a holocaust" being reported repeatedly since 1890.

I don't even understand this argument. Is the claim that these (cherrypicked) newspaper articles from up to half a century ago before the Holocaust constitute proof of a longstanding conspiracy to fake the Holocaust? I am sorry but I cannot even take that argument seriously enough to respond. We need actual evidence of a conspiracy, and we have none.

If you're asking about victim estimates, I consider the figure to be much closer to five million than six.

 

[DDR Yoga]

I don't even understand this argument. Is the claim that these (cherrypicked) newspaper articles from up to half a century ago before the Holocaust constitute proof of a longstanding conspiracy to fake the Holocaust? I am sorry but I cannot even take that argument seriously enough to respond. We need actual evidence of a conspiracy, and we have none.

If you're asking about victim estimates, I consider the figure to be much closer to five million than six.

Providing the newspaper articles are not faked, the NY Times repeatedly claimed that 6 million Jews had died in a holocaust, or were imminent danger of dying in a holocaust, in the decades leading up to 6 million Jews dying in a holocaust. How is that not unusual?

Could you cherrypick any examples where newspapers repeatedly reported other genocides as having happened, with the exact official death toll figure, decades before they happened?

 

[History Speaks]

How is that not unusual?

People prefer using big round numbers to describe things that are in reality messier (e.g. Hitler always talked about "six million unemployed" in Germany, when the exact figure was less precise). I do not see this as evidence of a conspiracy to fake the Holocaust going back decades. Do you see it this way?

As to numbers, the best historians to have written on this subject (Benz, Hilberg, etc) have provided death estimates closer to five million than six.