Las Vegas-to-California bullet train gets bipartisan backing - Federal taxpayers get to spend at least $3.75 billion to build ANOTHER high-speed rail line in California

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This undated illustration provided by Brightline West shows an illustration of the Brightline West High Speed Rail project train from Las Vegas to Rancho Cucamonga, Calif. A bipartisan congressional group from Nevada and California asked the Biden administration on Monday, April 24, 2023, to fast-track federal funds for a private company to build a high-speed rail line between Las Vegas and the Los Angeles area. (Brightline West via AP)

LAS VEGAS (AP) — A bipartisan congressional group from Nevada and California asked the Biden administration Monday to fast-track federal funds for a private company to build a high-speed rail line between Las Vegas and the Los Angeles area.

All six of Nevada’s elected federal lawmakers and four House members from California sent the letter to U.S. Transportation Secretary Pete Buttigieg. They said they’re on board with a proposal from Brightline West to spend more than $10 billion to lay tracks along the Interstate 15 corridor.

Traffic jams on the interstate often stretch for 15 miles (24 kilometers) near the Nevada-California line as motorists head home after weekend or holiday travel to Las Vegas.

The Mojave Desert is largely open space, and the electric-powered trains could potentially cut the four-hour trip in half, carrying passengers at speeds of nearly 200 mph (322 kph).

“This project is a major priority because it will make southern Nevada more accessible to millions of visitors each year,” said U.S. Sen. Jacky Rosen, the Nevada Democrat leading the group. She said it “will boost our economy and create more good-paying jobs.”

Union labor will be used during construction, the company and the Southern Nevada Building Trades Union have announced in recent weeks.

Brightline West is seeking $3.75 billion in federal funding from the Biden administration-backed federal infrastructure law.

The project could be “the blueprint for how we can connect major city pairs that are too short to fly and too far to drive,” said Mike Reininger, CEO of Florida-based Brightline Holdings LLC, the only privately owned and operated intercity passenger railroad in the United States.

The lawmakers’ letter pointed to company projections of 35,000 construction jobs, 1,000 permanent jobs and reduced planet-warming greenhouse gas emissions from vehicles.

A draft environmental assessment of the Nevada-California project was made public last October 2022 and the Federal Railroad Administration is expected to finalize permits in July. The company said about 70% of funding will be private, using a combination of debt and equity.

Amtrak passenger service to Las Vegas ended in 1997 with the demise of a train called the Desert Wind. The concept of building a bullet train through the Mojave Desert dates back to at least 2005 under various names. It has seen starts and stops over the years and became sidetracked during the COVID-19 pandemic.

In Florida, Brightline West’s sister company began sharing the Florida East Coast freight line between Miami and West Palm Beach in 2014 and is building an extension to Orlando. High-speed trains running through urban areas have drawn criticism for numerous crashes with vehicles at rail crossings. Investigators found deaths were not the railroad’s fault, determining that many were suicides or drivers or pedestrians trying to beat the trains.

Other places where high-speed trains have been proposed include the 240 miles (386 kilometers) from Dallas to Houston in Texas, and a 500-mile (805-kilometer) system linking Los Angeles and San Francisco.

The California line depends on funding and other unknowns.

A 2023 report by the California High-Speed Rail Authority says environmental clearance has been obtained for 422 miles (679 kilometers) and construction is underway for 119 miles (191 kilometers) in California’s Central Valley.

Cost estimates have swelled to more than $100 billion — far greater than the $33 billion that voters approved in 2008.

In Texas, a study published last month by Reason Foundation, a libertarian think tank, concluded the state’s fast rail project is stalled by climbing costs, lack of legislative support and opposition from farmers, ranchers, and other landowners “who objected to having their land bisected by a train traveling at 200 miles per hour over 30 times each day.” It noted the Texas Legislature passed a law prohibiting spending any funds on the project.

Brightline West trains would connect Las Vegas, Victorville, California, and Rancho Cucamonga — a city in San Bernardino County with a passenger station on a suburban Los Angeles light rail line.

U.S. Sen. Catherine Cortez Masto, a Democrat, and Nevada’s four House members including Republican Mark Amodei signed the letter with Rosen seeking federal-state partnership funding through the Federal Railroad Administration’s Intercity Rail Grant Program.

California Democratic House members Nanette Barragán and Jimmy Gomez from the Los Angeles area and John Garamendi of the East Bay area signed on, along with Republican Jay Obernolte, who represents the Victorville and San Bernardino County area.

“This bipartisan delegation from Nevada and California are pleased to support the federal resources necessary to develop essential transportation access between this highly trafficked corridor,” the lawmakers said.

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This story was updated to correct that Amtrak service to Las Vegas ended in 1997, not 1991.

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Ok cool idea, how exactly is this gonna work? Have there been any sort of studies made on how this train is supposed to run? Is there actually demand for a train service from L.A. to Las Vegas? How do they plan to keep it running? Are the tickets gonna be able to cover it or is the US tax payer gonna be stuck subsiding it? How fast is "high speed" here? Is the train gonna be electric, and if so how do they plan to supply it with power given California's failing electric grid? How exactly do they plan to compete with the airline service for the same trip? Will it be a direct line or are they gonna be stopping along the way?

I just put more thought onto this than any of the "people" involved in passing this shit haven't I?
 
I hope this get's pushed back by some even worse Tesla hypertube knock-off.
Ok cool idea, how exactly is this gonna work? Have there been any sort of studies made on how this train is supposed to run? Is there actually demand for a train service from L.A. to Las Vegas? How do they plan to keep it running? Are the tickets gonna be able to cover it or is the US tax payer gonna be stuck subsiding it? How fast is "high speed" here? Is the train gonna be electric, and if so how do they plan to supply it with power given California's failing electric grid? How exactly do they plan to compete with the airline service for the same trip? Will it be a direct line or are they gonna be stopping along the way?

I just put more thought onto this than any of the "people" involved in passing this shit haven't I?
I'm sorry dude but there is a reason most first world countries have rail. We are definitely behind in that area.
 
I don't get this.

Brightline just opened, or is about to open in the next month, a line from Orlando to Miami, a 235 mile trip.

But one-way tickets on the line are $79, with $149 round trips.

To put that in perspective, in Miami and Orlando, you could get round-trip airfare to half a dozen Caribbean islands for less than that. A vehicle getting 25mpg would cost under $50 in gas each way to make the trip, and then you don't have to take taxis once you arrive at your destination.

The only people it makes sense for are people without cars, but neither city has a ton of "no one has cars here" residential space or culture, it's very car oriented. As soon as you have kids, it's obviously a stupid idea and much cheaper to drive. If you are a couple with 3 or more children, it's literally cheaper to take a Lyft XL city-to-city than it would be to get tickets for the train.

Oh, but it's high speed and direct! OK, but riving from one station to the other would take 3 hours and 15 minutes, and the train takes...2 hours and 59 minutes. You save 16 minutes versus driving, as long as you don't count any time spent parking and waiting for the train.
 
I hope this get's pushed back by some even worse Tesla hypertube knock-off.

I'm sorry dude but there is a reason most first world countries have rail. We are definitely behind in that area.

Oh you misunderstand, I like trains. Trains are cool. There are good arguments about the US needing to upgrade their rail networks.

I am just shitting on this idea because it sounds retarded. This money would be far better used upgrading and retrofitting already existing cargo freight lines before any sort of Japanese bullet train LARP shit they are going for.
 
I hope this get's pushed back by some even worse Tesla hypertube knock-off.

I'm sorry dude but there is a reason most first world countries have rail. We are definitely behind in that area.
Most first world countries have a population density greater than your average morgue. We are not most first world countries.

Honestly, it wouldn't surprise me if this was some kind of public-private partnership with the casinos. After all, their business is separating fools from their money, and California has an abundance of both.
 
all they have to do is follow i-15 and just fucking deal with making tunnels cause it'll be cheaper in the long run than the sf to la train thats in development hell
 
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all they have to do is follow i-15 and just fucking deal with making tunnels cause it'll be cheaper in the long run than the sf to la train thats in development hell
Its definitely a cheaper route to develop, I only question how much research they've done to see if there's an actual market for a mid-range option between car and plane, and if it can be economically viable without perpetual taxpayer support.

Because until proven otherwise, I always assume that the "research" is just "More people went to Vegas than rode a train last year, so, it's clear that building a train to Vegas will fix that discrepancy!"
 
*checks calendar*

Sorry, I thought I time traveled back to 1998.

The California line depends on funding and other unknowns.
The big unknown will be how to get through Cajon Pass, or go around and not waste too much time. BNSF has the right of way to that track and there isn't much room to build anything, let alone a heavy construction project that will make it amenable to a bullet train; all without disrupting the normal I-15 and rail traffic that already exists. I'm not saying it's impossible, I'm saying California doesn't have the political will (or budget) to handle such a massive feat. And seriously, Cajon Pass is too important to shut down for an extended period of time; the only times it closes is when the state sets itself on fire, or ice conditions occur. It is one of the major arteries in and out of Southern California, you can't just say "closed for construction, ETA to open is 3 years."

To put that in perspective, in Miami and Orlando, you could get round-trip airfare to half a dozen Caribbean islands for less than that. A vehicle getting 25mpg would cost under $50 in gas each way to make the trip, and then you don't have to take taxis once you arrive at your destination.
Gas is anywhere from $4.49/gallon and up for the cheap stuff. Los Angeles to Las Vegas is a 4 hour trip (speed limit and no problems). Another thing this article doesn't mention is that I-15 is one of the most dangerous stretches of land between Los Angeles and Las Vegas due to the amount of traffic collisions; and to put it in another perspective, the Interstate is packed on Fridays and Sundays as people between the two cities. As for taxis, most people get to their hotels and walk/taxi everywhere anyway, especially with how casinos no longer offer free parking, not even to in state visitors (they used to). This idea has been floated for well over 20 years and it'd be good for a commuter train not just for Los Angeles, but for the high desert towns like Victorville, Barstow, or Baker; towns where you have to decide to make an all-day trip to Los Angeles or Las Vegas for city shopping.

As for everyone else with questions; I remember it being discussed back in the late 90's, when I was still in middle school. California has only become more retarded with time, so even if everything got cleared, I'd be willing to bet it would be indefinitely delayed... like their attempted Los Angeles to San Francisco train.
 
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I'm sorry dude but there is a reason most first world countries have rail. We are definitely behind in that area.
Most first world countries are the size of individual US states whose rail network is entirely government owned or wholly subsidized.
Most first world countries have long long standing cultures of use of public transportation via canal or train.
Most first world countries have gas prices higher than the US.

Public transportation has never been popular in the US for various reasons:
  • Historically private transportation was cheap and readily available for all but the poorest Americans.
  • US population density is and was far too low to make proper efficient use of public transportation except for a few coastal metropolises.
  • all the rail lines are privately owned and dedicated for freight service. the Track owner's trains will always take priority.
and so on. When the national road network and interstates came online, combined with affordable automobiles passenger rail was finished in the US. Automobile lobbying against city light rail was another nail in the coffin. Freight consolidation of former passenger rail lines was the final nail.

any passenger rail outside of say NYC or similar environments will never make a profit whether its AMTRAK style passenger service on freight lines or dedicated high speed rail and bullet trains. its just not in demand.

Even most Airlines don't turn profits and instead rely on government subsidies to stay airborne.
 
This is a much better idea than LA to SF, especially if the trains run on the hour or something super frequent and reliable.

I'm sure the people who looked at this counted the cars back and forth every weekend and thought it looked like a good investment.

One thing that's different from the LA to SF train is that this one's not going to have 10 stops in shitty little ag towns.

One other thing is that a lot of the land is BLM or other federal land, so they don't have to worry about buying out thousands of landowners. As far as I know, the only issues are desert tortoises, and if they stick to the existing corridor, that can be easily mitigated. Might be a couple plants but nobody gives a shit about those.

One person upthread suggested private investment, and that's cash money right there. Have a family car with a clown, have a gentleman's car with busty stewardesses and a cigar bar, have a staff car with maids and croupiers riding back and forth for the weekend rush. Private train cars used to be a thing, why not now?

I'm not sure what the laws are on trains but this might be the Old West with blackjack and hookers.
 
Private train cars used to be a thing, why not now?
Because those people owned or were close friends of those who owned the railroads, and thus had their own private car as well as their own staff. They still exist, but the last time I heard anyone using a private car was either the late 60's or maybe the 70's; knew someone who was an Amtrak Conductor back then, and the private staff offered them tea, complete with fancy cup and saucer.
 
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