Star Wars Griefing Thread (SPOILERS) - Safety off

[dustnight]

I FINALLY got to the part where you meet the other bounty hunter. And I died. And I was on my last continue. And now I have to start the ENTIRE FUCKING LEVEL OVER.

I quit. I can't believe that wasn't a fucking checkpoint. I fucking hate games that outright waste my time and making me play the entire level over and over is fucking jewing my time.

Just save the game just before you fight him.

 

[IDanceonTrannyGraves]

Just save the game just before you fight him.

You can't.

I am playing on a Gamecube, not PC.

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

Just save the game just before you fight him.

It saves automatically.

 

[Oilspill Battery]

Oh, dear. We're getting more of Temuera Morrison lamenting his neglected station as Boba Fett. He was apparently going to have a role in Blandalorian S3, but got cut out.

And much like Hamill, Morrison is being very transparent about his disappointment.

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While I understand why Morrison might be bitter a third of his show got hijacked by the mandalorian, mando didn't ruin his show, the writers did.

That said it is good to see actors speak out, and the writers are ultimately still at fault for fucking up his show then ripping appart mando's season 3 (ruining that too in the process) to try and fix it.

 

[IDanceonTrannyGraves]

It saves automatically.

Well I got to the swamp planet.

I got to a certain point where there's a ravine. You have to jump to a tiny ledge, then jet pack across. The trouble is that there are guys on the opposite side behind you, shooting you in the back where you take massive fucking damage and die because when you jetpack across, you can only hang onto the ledge to climb up. It is cheap bullshit. There is nothing to do with "practicing and getting better" with that.

That is just a waste of my fucking time. Jesus Christ, it started off so well.

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

Well I got to the swamp planet.

I got to a certain point where there's a ravine. You have to jump to a tiny ledge, then jet pack across. The trouble is that there are guys on the opposite side behind you, shooting you in the back where you take massive fucking damage and die because when you jetpack across, you can only hang onto the ledge to climb up. It is cheap bullshit. There is nothing to do with "practicing and getting better" with that.

That is just a waste of my fucking time. Jesus Christ, it started off so well.

Watch a guide and see how they get through it. That's hardly the hardest level in the game.

That would be the Tatooine level where even people like me who've played the game before get really tested in the second part of it.

While I understand why Morrison might be bitter a third of his show got hijacked by the mandalorian, mando didn't ruin his show, the writers did.

That said it is good to see actors speak out, and the writers are ultimately still at fault for fucking up his show then ripping appart mando's season 3 (ruining that too in the process) to try and fix it.

The biggest flaw with the Book of Boba Fett is that it's supposed to be a story about a crime lord, yet there's surprisingly little crime. Not much stealing, drug smuggling, or selling/buying illegal weapons to shady buyers. Temuera Morrison as Space Tony Montana/Michael Corleone should've been a hit. Instead, they made him into a squeaky-clean sheriff fighting the spread of drugs, when a real crime lord would just take control of the action, and at most, try to turn it into a "legitimate business":

 

[Oilspill Battery]

The obvious conclusion was that the Force is far stronger than the Death Star. Vader said as much in the original movie. The tie-in media only proved to expand upon what he was saying. Hence why despite being early in the EU's history, the fans did not have a problem with OP Force powers in works like the Thrawn Trilogy, Dark Empire, and Tales of the Jedi, since one of the main characters already stated as a fact that blowing up a whole planet is pussy shit compared to the Force.

I don't agree with you on this, I don't think that dark vader literally meant that the force can blow up more planets than the deathstar, he was being more metaphorical. Force users are shown to be calm, collected and basically buddhist monks with laserswords, the point wasn't that the force is literally a goku tier kamehameha, but more that its useful in many more ways.

Of course I agree that the implication was that the force can do far more than the movie shows us (mindbend, force push, force pull, force choke) but not in the way of raw power.

It was more along the lines of, the deathstar can blow up a planet, but a couple of force users with their varied skillset can conquer one.

The death star only solves 1 problem, a jedi can solve millions.

 

[starborn427614]

The biggest flaw with the Book of Boba Fett is that it's supposed to be a story about a crime lord, yet there's surprisingly little crime. Not much stealing, drug smuggling, or selling/buying illegal weapons to shady buyers. Temuera Morrison as Space Tony Montana/Michael Corleone should've been a hit. Instead, they made him into a squeaky-clean sheriff fighting the spread of drugs, when a real crime lord would just take control of the action, and at most, try to turn it into a "legitimate business":

The idea of Boba being an hourable scoundrel isn't bad per se, but like you said they went too far in the wrong direction. He shouldn't be taking suggestions from street rats now matter how honourable he's trying to be.

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

I don't agree with you on this, I don't think that dark vader literally meant that the force can blow up more planets than the deathstar, he was being more metaphorical.

There's nothing that suggests he was being metaphorical. And given that Star Wars (1977) alludes to both a mythical past with Kenobi's tales of Jedi Knights and future conflicts with Vader getting away, it obviously wasn't a self-contained story, and what we saw of the Force in the OT was just a small taste of it.

Force users are shown to be calm, collected and basically buddhist monks with laserswords, the point wasn't that the force is literally a goku tier kamehameha, but more that its useful in many more ways.

Dark-Siders would tend to disagree. They're all about anger, hatred, and would basically laugh at the Buddhist monks at how stupid their code is. And by the time of the films, the Dark Side is winning. And their mentality practically is in line with Goku and the Saiyans. Get pissed, get more powerful, break the shit out of the enemy. Even Luke won against Vader when he got angry about his "proposal" with Leia. A powerful Sith would be at home with the Saiyans using high-tier Force powers against them and destroying the landscape, whereas a high-level Jedi would probably put a Saiyan to sleep with a powerful mind-trick or bribe them with food to get them on the same side.

Of course I agree that the implication was that the force can do far more than the movie shows us (mindbend, force push, force pull, force choke) but not in the way of raw power.

Size is just an illusion of the mind. Is that not what Yoda stated? "Size matters not!" And again, a lot of the works that portrayed OP Force powers came out BEFORE the Prequels; they're very early in the EU blitz. First we had Battle Meditation in the Thrawn Trilogy where some yahoo can just sit on his ass and make one army stronger than the other; then we had Dark Empire where the Emperor was literally wiping the floor with the Rebel Fleet using the Force itself, and then we had Tales of the Jedi where causing suns to go supernova was something the Ancient Sith knew.

And if the Force isn't capable of such great destruction, then the admiral who back-talked Vader would've been telling the truth. Vader has been menacing the Rebellion for quite some time, but they barely care about taking him down. They see him as an outrageous bully at most, but they don't even bother coming up with plans to defeat him. Some random fucking coke-pusher managed to fuck him up back on Yavin IV. The Death Star, however, is what caught their attention twice, and got them to put all hands on deck, because a being who can mind-rape, choke, and aim better than the average yahoo is obviously nowhere near as threatening as something that can disintegrate a planet with a push of a lever.

It was more along the lines of, the deathstar can blow up a planet, but a couple of force users with their varied skillset can conquer one.

I don't think so. A couple of Force-users might do better than most, but at the end, would get killed by sheer numbers of enemies. Otherwise, Kenobi wouldn't have used stealth on the Death Star, he'd have just lightsabered everyone between him and the gravity beam projectors.

The death star only solves 1 problem, a jedi can solve millions.

I'm sure the threat of a Death Star is far more effective than any single Jedi if the Jedi were left at OT levels of power. Hence why the Rebels barely cared about taking Vader down, despite him being an extremely powerful fallen Jedi, but taking down the Death Star was priority #1 for them.

The idea of Boba being an hourable scoundrel isn't bad per se, but like you said they went too far in the wrong direction. He shouldn't be taking suggestions from street rats now matter how honourable he's trying to be.

He can still be honorable, but still be a scoundrel. Like how the guy who wanted to do drugs in that Godfather clip I posted wanted to keep the drug-pushers away from kids or schools. I'm imagining someone with a sense of honor and high taste, especially since he's a rich bounty hunter who got wealthy off the Empire's back, but he'd still be involved in all sorts of icky shit that people like Ahsoka Tano would be disgusted at.

This would be a very good plot point, especially with how corrupt the New Republic is in the Disney canon. I can imagine at the end of a well-written season, Boba Fett would be a powerful drug kingpin with a lot of power and political capital, kind of like Alejandro Sosa from Scarface, where he has corporate magnates, military men, and politicians in his pocket, which would've been useful for his old buddy Mando/Din who wants to rebuild Mandalore. Just imagine the picture where Din and the Mandalorians need capital and workers to help clean up and rebuild Mandalore, as well as some politicians to vouch for them and give Mandalore some legitimacy in the Republic Senate. Boba Fett hooks them up, in exchange for a favor, of course. Maybe he has Din ice some journalist who's threatening to reveal his operations to the Senate:

 

[Godzilla@1989]

Boba Fett being a crime boss is a legit interesting idea, but when you have Disney in charge, you’re not going to get shit with it.

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

Boba Fett being a crime boss is a legit interesting idea, but when you have Disney in charge, you’re not going to get shit with it.

That's the problem. That's why Morrison is so salty about it. The idea of Boba Fett being a crime lord is basically peanut butter and chocolate, and yet they still didn't carry through with it.

 

[Michael Wade]

Ive discovered this channel recently. It's stupid but it's made me laugh.

 

[Oilspill Battery]

There's nothing that suggests he was being metaphorical.

You need to consider the actual implications of any powers introduced and how they would shape the world.

If there's individuals running around that can literally blow up planets by flicking their wrist the galaxy in star wars would not be mostly modern society in space, it would be shaped closer to the imperium, worshipping these individuals as god emperors because at that point they literally are gods.

Your setting cannot have literal gods capable of smiting entire worlds with their mind running among mortals and still look like that, there needs to be some sort of cap on their power level for the setting to work.

The way I interpreted it at least is that a master force user is closer to colonel rank psi-operative + templar + ranger from xcom 2 in power level.

Incredibly formidable in combat offensively and defensively, both in martial arts and "magic", physically incapable of losing a 1v1 or even a 1v10 vs mere mortals, but also capable of infiltration and apparently diplomacy.

No, you're not gonna send 10 jedi masters to fight 10.000 soldiers, but you can send 10 jedi masters to infiltrate the palace of an emperor and take him hostage.

Jedi are "stronger" than the death star because they're a swiss army knife, while the deathstar is an oversized hammer.

The biggest flaw with the Book of Boba Fett is that it's supposed to be a story about a crime lord, yet there's surprisingly little crime. Not much stealing, drug smuggling, or selling/buying illegal weapons to shady buyers. Temuera Morrison as Space Tony Montana/Michael Corleone should've been a hit. Instead, they made him into a squeaky-clean sheriff fighting the spread of drugs, when a real crime lord would just take control of the action, and at most, try to turn it into a "legitimate business":

My issue with the book of boba fett is that he's a total pussy. Him allying with the punks using the power ranger motorcycles was the absolute dumbest shit ever and the point where anyone watching should have stopped giving a shit. It genuinely reads like it was writen by a rightwinger trying to parody liberals.

The evil enforcer hired to evict the multicoloured group of racially diverse youths having a sudden change of heart when he sees how expensive rent is and turning on the landlord while giving them jobs.

Btw, the multicoloured group of racially diverse youths can't afford rent/water but can somehow afford expensive clothes, pristine power ranger chrome vespas and high end augments, when everone else in the city is dressed in rags and farms water for a living, alright.

This reads more like a self insert fanfiction. I have no idea how the fuck it made it into the final product.

Boba Fett was originally that guy that had to be specifically told by darth fucking vader to not disintegrate his target, and now he helps the people that enslaved him and sympathises with the "poor disadvantaged youths". This is the guy that 5 minutes before the start of the show was working for literal nazis because the pay was good.

Mark Hamill complains about the murder of his character but Temuera Morrison has WAAAYYY more to complain about in that regard.

 

[The Ugly One]

I don't agree with you on this, I don't think that dark vader literally meant that the force can blow up more planets than the deathstar, he was being more metaphorical. Force users are shown to be calm, collected and basically buddhist monks with laserswords, the point wasn't that the force is literally a goku tier kamehameha, but more that its useful in many more ways.

Of course I agree that the implication was that the force can do far more than the movie shows us (mindbend, force push, force pull, force choke) but not in the way of raw power.

It was more along the lines of, the deathstar can blow up a planet, but a couple of force users with their varied skillset can conquer one.

The death star only solves 1 problem, a jedi can solve millions.

And it wasn't the Death Star in particular the famous line is about:

“The ability to destroy a planet is insignificant next to the power of the Force.”

Over the course of the movie, we're not shown that actually, the Force can destroy way more planets, that a Force user can totally blow up whole solar systems with his mind if he charges up for a while. We're shown that the Jedi use the Force to subtly manipulate everything to their advantage, sensing people's feelings, moving with supernatural precision and timing, being aware of the whole galaxy at once, even events light-years away.

That's what the Death Star is no match for. Vader knows it. It's why he's far more concerned about Obi-Wan than the rebel fleet.

 

[Quarterback Rex Grossman]

The kid who played Boba in AOTC should have played adult Boba, who's like 45 or something according to the canon. A man in his 60s should never be playing a character so much younger; it's just not believable. Like Tom Cruise in The Mummy.

Splinter of the Mind's Eye has me wondering what would have happened if Star Wars was only a modest success. Would he have adapted the book into a cheaper movie? Would ROTJ been a dimension hopping adventure where Luke gets stranded on Earth like in Masters of the Universe and has to fight Vader with the help of some totally tubular Earth teens?

 

[Uranus Pink]

Deal with the Death Star and Obi-Wan is George Lucas wasn't insulting the audience intelligence by putting blatant Obi-Wan is doing [fill in check] inserts of some sort every two seconds.

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

And it wasn't the Death Star in particular the famous line is about:

“The ability to destroy a planet is insignificant next to the power of the Force.”

Over the course of the movie, we're not shown that actually, the Force can destroy way more planets, that a Force user can totally blow up whole solar systems with his mind if he charges up for a while. We're shown that the Jedi use the Force to subtly manipulate everything to their advantage, sensing people's feelings, moving with supernatural precision and timing, being aware of the whole galaxy at once, even events light-years away.

That's what the Death Star is no match for. Vader knows it. It's why he's far more concerned about Obi-Wan than the rebel fleet.

And yet the Rebellion, despite facing Vader more than once before (Leia even knows who Vader is) isn't really that concerned about him. They've been dealing with this guy and his psychic powers for years on end, and yet it was the Death Star which got them to put everything together to fight back. He's at most, a nuisance to them, not a real threat, since they didn't even bother planning to take him down. And "moving with supernatural precision and timing" does not come along in the movies until the Prequels. Kenobi got past the enemy by being smart and sneaky, not by using the Force on everyone. The most he did was use a trick to fake outgassing.

@Oilspill Battery

If there's individuals running around that can literally blow up planets by flicking their wrist the galaxy in star wars would not be mostly modern society in space, it would be shaped closer to the imperium, worshipping these individuals as god emperors because at that point they literally are gods.

Your setting cannot have literal gods capable of smiting entire worlds with their mind running among mortals and still look like that, there needs to be some sort of cap on their power level for the setting to work.

Uh, yes you can. Basically, Ben Kenobi alludes to a mythic past where the Jedi were the literal gods of Republic society, where they were in charge of dispensing justice and keeping things in line. Then some whack-job betrayed them and helped some corrupt Empire wipe them out. And Vader alluding to a time when Force-sensitives were stronger than they are now isn't really that strange, considering that yes, this story starts in media res, where there's a past and a future alluded to by the dialogue and events of the story. Kenobi talking about the Jedi of the past alludes to the past when the Jedi were stronger and were in charge of the galaxy, while Vader leaving alive means that he's coming back for round 2.

That is not a self-contained story in the slightest. The next time you people try to call something a "self-contained story", it helps to know what "self-contained" means. It means that all the plot points are tied up nicely once the story ends, they don't allude to other stories as major plot points, and if that was the only story in the series, (ie. imagine Lucas and his mates all died from an accident and no one else made Star Wars movies after the first one) people would be satisfied with how the first movie ended and won't need a sequel. Which, with Vader walking away alive, even if you take the whole "Force vs. Death Star" thing out of the picture, is just begging for a sequel, because they left a plot point dangling, meaning that the Star Wars story would be incomplete without a sequel.

The way I interpreted it at least is that a master force user is closer to colonel rank psi-operative + templar + ranger from xcom 2 in power level.

Incredibly formidable in combat offensively and defensively, both in martial arts and "magic", physically incapable of losing a 1v1 or even a 1v10 vs mere mortals, but also capable of infiltration and apparently diplomacy.

No, you're not gonna send 10 jedi masters to fight 10.000 soldiers, but you can send 10 jedi masters to infiltrate the palace of an emperor and take him hostage.

Jedi are "stronger" than the death star because they're a swiss army knife, while the deathstar is an oversized hammer.

But the Jedi weren't even that formidable in the first movie. The most you get is Kenobi awkwardly swinging a saber along with Vader. And even then, the most he did was sneak past the enemy army and turn off a few switches; if he was capable of more, he'd have taken Tarkin hostage for the Rebellion to use as a bargaining chip. Since obviously, a place as big as the Death Star would have men in charge, and getting one of them would be helpful for the Rebellion just in case the Empire DOES find out where they live.

Also, Kenobi was kind of lousy with diplomacy in the first movie. Instead of calming down those guys who were bothering Luke, he lopped off their arms. Which brought more attention from the local Imperials. We've never seen Jedi be diplomats until the Prequels; prior to that, they've always been just as much a crude hammer as the Death Star, only on a smaller scale.

At most, that makes the Jedi into very good special forces, but even in the real world, good special forces is no replacement for a nuke.

My issue with the book of boba fett is that he's a total pussy. Him allying with the punks using the power ranger motorcycles was the absolute dumbest shit ever and the point where anyone watching should have stopped giving a shit. It genuinely reads like it was writen by a rightwinger trying to parody liberals.

The evil enforcer hired to evict the multicoloured group of racially diverse youths having a sudden change of heart when he sees how expensive rent is and turning on the landlord while giving them jobs.

Btw, the multicoloured group of racially diverse youths can't afford rent/water but can somehow afford expensive clothes, pristine power ranger chrome vespas and high end augments, when everone else in the city is dressed in rags and farms water for a living, alright.

This reads more like a self insert fanfiction. I have no idea how the fuck it made it into the final product.

If anything, Fett should've broken those Vespa-driving idiots and forced them to smuggle space coke for him in exchange for him not killing them. Again, having him fight against the promulgation of spice makes no goddamn sense when he's supposed to be a crime lord making money off the stuff.

Boba Fett was originally that guy that had to be specifically told by darth fucking vader to not disintegrate his target, and now he helps the people that enslaved him and sympathises with the "poor disadvantaged youths". This is the guy that 5 minutes before the start of the show was working for literal nazis because the pay was good.

Mark Hamill complains about the murder of his character but Temuera Morrison has WAAAYYY more to complain about in that regard.

He should've gone back to disintegrating targets without mercy now that Vader isn't there to stop him. I suppose like Mark, Temuera's character got butchered because he's too much of a boy's fantasy, so they had to knock him down a peg and make him a pussy who relies constantly on getting saved and getting healed in a bacta tank.

 

[Oilspill Battery]

Uh, yes you can. Basically, Ben Kenobi alludes to a mythic past where the Jedi were the literal gods of Republic society, where they were in charge of dispensing justice and keeping things in line. Then some whack-job betrayed them and helped some corrupt Empire wipe them out. And Vader alluding to a time when Force-sensitives were stronger than they are now isn't really that strange, considering that yes, this story starts in media res, where there's a past and a future alluded to by the dialogue and events of the story. Kenobi talking about the Jedi of the past alludes to the past when the Jedi were stronger and were in charge of the galaxy, while Vader leaving alive means that he's coming back for round 2.

There's a difference between "stronger than now" and "literal gods". They can both be stronger than depicted in the movies while also not being able to crush suns with their fingertips.

Dispensing justice and keeping things in line could also easily be done with xcom psionic tier power level without completely shattering the setting.

You seriously underestimate how having literal gods walking among men would affect the setting. You think if zeus was walking among us for 2000 years smiting mountains and armies people would forget about him in 10 after he left?

That is not a self-contained story in the slightest. The next time you people

I don't know who "You people" is supposed to be, the only thing I've disagreed with you on the implied power level of the jedi.

 

[Male Idiot]

I think Vader may have implied more than a sheer explosive power.

Sith in the ancient era did planetkills, like Naga Sadow, Nihilus and Vitiate, but it was usually a very rare one off. Like the Blind King in 40k that mind controlled a thousand planets before he got spacemarined. It can happen but is very far from the norm, usually constrained to the mythic times of ancient past.

But one has to consider, that a somewhat lucky Darth or unscrupulous Jedi master -could- easily manipulate powerful politicians.

Darth Edgecore may be able to blow a planet up. But Darth Slywhisper can corrupt the noble leaders of a dozen planets with less effort and have them fight for him.

In the end, the Death Star required a shitton of resources, while a cunning enough Sith only needs to be able to travel with a small entourage and achieve a better result, as you aren't the Imperium, xenos giving you money is ay-okey.

Palpatine corrupted an entire Republic to his side, and Creamy Sheev didn't have much more than any other Naboo noble. Some cash and a ship.

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

There's a difference between "stronger than now" and "literal gods". They can both be stronger than depicted in the movies while also not being able to crush suns with their fingertips.

They were in charge of society and were literally the ones enforcing the law, with the power of life and death over everyone. That sounds godly to me, the way Kenobi put it.

Besides, the ones who do fuck with suns are Sith. Jedi are more meditative. But the Jedi aren't the only ones wielding the Force, now are they?

Dispensing justice and keeping things in line could also easily be done with xcom psionic tier power level without completely shattering the setting.

With how low-level the Force powers are in ANH, the most they could be is rent-a-cops. A serious military would be laughing at them.

You seriously underestimate how having literal gods walking among men would affect the setting. You think if zeus was walking among us for 2000 years smiting mountains and armies people would forget about him in 10 after he left?

If they all died and the new society that slaughtered them all like animals was a dictatorship that put them through IN DAMNATIO MEMORIAE and forced everyone to stop talking about them for 19 years? YES. Propaganda is one hell of a weapon. Have you forgotten the fact that the Empire is NOT a free society?

I don't know who "You people" is supposed to be, the only thing I've disagreed with you on the implied power level of the jedi.

The Jedi aren't the only ones with the Force, for obvious reasons. Considering the fact that choking someone with the Force isn't a Jedi thing to do.

I think Vader may have implied more than a sheer explosive power.

Sith in the ancient era did planetkills, like Naga Sadow, Nihilus and Vitiate, but it was usually a very rare one off. Like the Blind King in 40k that mind controlled a thousand planets before he got spacemarined. It can happen but is very far from the norm, usually constrained to the mythic times of ancient past.

My point exactly. There's Battle Meditation, mind-melding, and LIVING FOREVER. There's ways to be stronger than blowing up planets without literally engaging in a DBZ dick-measuring contest, since that's what the Sith do, but the Jedi have their own ways of outshining planet-busting in the early EU.

That, and Vader stated that the Force as a whole (both Light and Dark) is stronger than planet-busting, not specifically the Jedi. The Jedi aren't the only ones with the Force.

But one has to consider, that a somewhat lucky Darth or unscrupulous Jedi master -could- easily manipulate powerful politicians.

In Kenobi's description of the Old Republic, they were in charge of enforcing laws or justice, so that implies that if a politician gets hanged by his constituents for being corrupt, a Jedi's judgement would be the difference between the lynch mob being set free or killed on the spot.

Darth Edgecore may be able to blow a planet up. But Darth Slywhisper can corrupt the noble leaders of a dozen planets with less effort and have them fight for him.

Basically, Dark Empire Palpatine is the former, Prequels Palpatine is the latter. Lucasfilm decided both sides are valid.

Palpatine corrupted an entire Republic to his side, and Creamy Sheev didn't have much more than any other Naboo noble. Some cash and a ship.

His greatest weapon was his silver tongue. The Death Star was a toy in his grasp, and his OP Force Storms were a last-resort weapon.