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Toxinophile said:
It's only ragebait propaganda if you're a social media addict
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frankly i'd say it's the other way around
if you're not a social media addict then it's possible that you don't share the creators' views, which would make watching these shows where they're put front and center constantly quite tiring and obnoxious- especially if it's done in shows you want your kid watching
see: Velma, Baymax, Owl House, Proud Family 2022, that one toddler show with the nonbinary bison, Blue's Clues 2021(? might've been 2022?), that one dogshit show about Trump from 2017, etc
not all of these are for kids obviously, but all of them have some element of social justice that they very prominently feature in their otherwise-forgettable show (Velma as a character, an entire episode about trans kids and periods, Luz's love interest, constant BLM preaching, etc) and most of their creators act out on Twitter to try and make that shit a big deal
either they do it because they're genuinely circlejerking how inclusive they are, they're circlejerking it to make everyone else mad at how inclusive they are for free promotion and an excuse to lecture the Straight White Male demographic, or they're doing both
 
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Commander X said:
I still think it's funny how quickly a lot of "Animation Is Cinema/Animation is For Everyone" types pivoted to "it's stupid shit for kids and shouldn't be expected to be good" when the Mario movie got the lightest criticism. A lot of the "Animation is Cinema!" people don't even try much anymore to pretend that their feelings about animation don't depend on box-office numbers and acknowledgement from generic movie critic outlets.
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As far as I can tell there's no such thing as an animation fan, only a cartoon fan with false pretense. Cartoon fans like to call themselves animation fans but their tastes and interests rarely ever reach outside of the child-friendly mainstream media.

It wouldn't be such a problem if cartoon fans weren't so thin-skinned about it, or at the very least had broader tastes. I just saw the Mario Movie yesterday and I agree it's very fun to watch, but obviously the movie was more preoccupied into priming you to buy more Mario product. It plays itself incredibly safe and doesn't challenge the audience, besides testing them to spot all the references.

I think the real reason why Mario Movie fans are so defensive because of the sheer devotion to the brand. Mario is special to a lot of people and they view the Mario Movie as special too. The critics meanwhile, having no emotional investment within the product, just see the Mario Movie as objectively nothing special. This absolutely shatters the narrative that fans have been conditioned to believe in. They could argue the nuances all day but ultimately those people are biased as hell, which should be perfectly fine yet these fans don't seem to handle any wrongthink.
 
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Commander X said:
I still think it's funny how quickly a lot of "Animation Is Cinema/Animation is For Everyone" types pivoted to "it's stupid shit for kids and shouldn't be expected to be good" when the Mario movie got the lightest criticism. A lot of the "Animation is Cinema!" people don't even try much anymore to pretend that their feelings about animation don't depend on box-office numbers and acknowledgement from generic movie critic outlets.
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The moment they keep dickriding anything with a Disney brand or anything else with a progressive leftist agenda propaganda is the moment I do NOT take this whole "animation is cinema/for everyone" argument seriously. If you wanna use that argument, try doing something simple like using adult animated works of Ralph Bakshi or other adult animated movies/shows from the 70s-2000s real examples (and no, please do not use sitcoms like Simpsons, Beavis & Butthead, King of the Hill, South Park, Family Guy, Futurama, Aqua Teen, American Dad, Robot Chicken, Rick & Morty or BoJack Horseman as examples).
 
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A Grey Cat said:
Timmy: Millard fillmore 13th president...your mother called you flippy.


Crocker: there's only one way a child could be prepared for my pop quizzes and know that my mother called me flippy. Timmy Tuner has given himself mind reading powers with the help of his...

FAIRY!!!

GOD!!!


PARENTS!!!
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By the way, I was actually referring to Crocker as a character. He's bit of a schizo.
 
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Oats12345 said:
Wait did they serously. I miss that. I do remember them being upset when their shitty Disney movie didn't win an Oscar
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Yes they hyped up a panic attack scene and where a dog jumped over something.

Also are you talking about Turning Red? I only seen a small amount of people upset since most of the animation is cinema crowd hyped up Pinocchio or Puss in Boots to win.
 
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Doctor of Autism said:
Yes they hyped up a panic attack scene and where a dog jumped over something.

Also are you talking about Turning Red? I only seen a small amount of people upset since most of the animation is cinema crowd hyped up Pinocchio or Puss in Boots to win.
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There were a few spergs who were upset that turning red didn't win
 
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Anonitolia said:
frankly i'd say it's the other way around
if you're not a social media addict then it's possible that you don't share the creators' views, which would make watching these shows where they're put front and center constantly quite tiring and obnoxious-especially if it's done in shows you want your kid watching
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Shows can push an agenda onto the audience, and that may be tiring or obnoxious to some but that's hardly a problem. The average consumer will simply change the channel or stop watching if they feel they are being lectured through the screen. No amount of progressive marketing can force an adult or child to watch these shows.

Anonitolia said:
see: Velma, Baymax, Owl House, Proud Family 2022, that one toddler show with the nonbinary bison, Blue's Clues 2021(? might've been 2022?), that one dogshit show about Trump from 2017, etc
not all of these are for kids obviously, but all of them have some element of social justice that they very prominently feature in their otherwise-forgettable show (Velma as a character, an entire episode about trans kids and periods, Luz's love interest, constant BLM preaching, etc)
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Exactly what is the ratio of regular cartoon to ragebait propaganda within these shows? I know Velma has plenty but you can't just drop title names I've never heard of and expect me to instantly understand. You could be exaggerating for all I know.

Anonitolia said:
and most of their creators act out on Twitter to try and make that shit a big deal
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I don't use twitter but I feel like it's fairly normal for a creator to advertise their own show, progressive or not.

Anonitolia said:
either they do it because they're genuinely circlejerking how inclusive they are, they're circlejerking it to make everyone else mad at how inclusive they are for free promotion and an excuse to lecture the Straight White Male demographic, or they're doing both
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Again this stuff will only make you angry if you go looking for it. You act like progressive agitprop is fucking everywhere but I am unconvinced by your examples.
 
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Toxinophile said:
Exactly what is the ratio of regular cartoon to ragebait propaganda within these shows? I know Velma has plenty but you can't just drop title names I've never heard of and expect me to instantly understand. You could be exaggerating for all I know.
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I have no idea of the ratios but these are probably what he's talking about.
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Commander X said:
I still think it's funny how quickly a lot of "Animation Is Cinema/Animation is For Everyone" types pivoted to "it's stupid shit for kids and shouldn't be expected to be good" when the Mario movie got the lightest criticism. A lot of the "Animation is Cinema!" people don't even try much anymore to pretend that their feelings about animation don't depend on box-office numbers and acknowledgement from generic movie critic outlets.
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Pretty sure I've seen this exact post made somewhere else online, but "Animation is cinema" people would have been better off just sticking with making Little Dark Age videos on how bad most western animation is now. Puss in Boots having a panic attack, and it's consequences, have been a disaster for 30-year olds trying to justify why liking media primarily aimed at children is deep and compelling.
 
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So....

I thought of doing a spinoff topic, one that is specifically about animation in the 1980s and 1990s.... but....

Okay, I gotta rant. I'll except my tism ratings now.

....................

Thing is, animation topics always feel like they have a bit of a problem. To put it as honestly as possible I'm trying to create a topic I would enjoy. But the problem is....

Well I was thinking, should I include anime? I feel like I should because of Voltron, Battle of the Planets (technically 1970s but still), Robotech, Ninja the Wonder Boy etc... it feels wrong to exclude.those since old enough fags could legit have fond memories of them or an interest in their westernization history......

But you know how that's gonna go: the weebs and spergs are gonna see it as an excuse to say "hey some company just released a bluray of Galaxy Cyclone Braiger!" or "hey someone actually did a fansub of Layzner!" or endless talks about Dragonball or Fist of the North Star, maybe some asshole will try to say Jojo should be allowed because the comics began in the 1980s even though the animation didn't.... I've seen it happen.

It's at these moments I understand why Weebs have a bit of a bad rep. I don't hate anime, but sometimes I want to talk about something else, ya know? But weebs always want to insert their autistic fixation into everything, regardless of what anyone else wants. So allowing it... suddenly people trying to have an honest discussion of Bravestarr or Asterix vs Caesar get drowned out. And frankly, we have like 20 anime topics anyway.

I also wondered how much wiggle room the decades mentioned should give, since some 80s shows began in the 70s, and some show from the 1990s could have continued into the 2000s. With the latter I think I already decided "fuck no" since.... fuck the 2000s, just fuck them. But if I give too much pre-1980s wiggle room, then suddenly people take it as carte blanche to make it a Looney Tunes topic by some autistic loophole. I've seen it happen.

But even thinking about that.... well, the fact that this topic would include the 1990s bugs me too. Because it would have a similar problem. Suddenly every other post is about Courage the Cowardly Dog or Dexter's Lab, and the one lone voice who says "hey who remembers Sky Commanders?" gets drowned out.

Its almost like, what's the point. Because if its not one-franchise-only its gonna get corrupted.

It's like the problem with video games. If I were to make a Sega Genesis topic, it would be nothing but Sonic autists. SNES topics end up always being about Mario, Zelda, or Star Fox. So on.

Like.... how hard can it be to meet other people who have a similar interest?
 
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Odd Opossum said:
Puss in Boots having a panic attack, and it's consequences, have been a disaster for 30-year olds trying to justify why liking media primarily aimed at children is deep and compelling.
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To be fair it has been a thing long before Puss in Boots, that movie just made it worse due to autists comparing it to a scene in Velma that it reached a point where panic attacks became a box to check for an animated movie.
 
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A Grey Cat said:
This...this is why I made that fairly oddparents quote at random. Just trying to find some levity in all this. ...wouldn't be my first time quoting a show at random.

Btw...dinkleberg

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So is Chris Hartman dad or dinkleberg?
 
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