US US Politics General - Discussion of President Biden and other politicians

 

[Meat Target]

I cant remember if it was a Roman or a Greek that said a democracy will fail once the voting populous realizes they can vote to keep the money printers turned on.

I dunno if you're being literal, because I don't think a Greek or Roman would know about money printers 2,000 years before the printing press was invented and economics was coalesced as a science.

But point taken.

 

[Antenna7]

When is this "pendulum" gonna "swing back"? Because it sure as hell isn't happening fast enough.

Thanks to the control of media, most people don't even know whats going on. And thanks to academia, probably wouldn't believe it if they found out.

Trump and Musk made a small dent, but they are just two guys.

 

[spaztocate9000]

I do not believe that to be possible anymore. So many US dollars were printed in the past three years, and it's being dropped faster then a steaming turd. There is now way to roll things back to a former status quo where things worked, and attempting to do so will only make things steadily worse.

The only way is to push through, and figure out a new path forward. I do not believe a RINO-controlled Republican party can do so. A Trump-controlled one that's prepared to do bankruptcy proceedings may be, but things need to play out more first. Unless things fall apart in time for the election enough that tptb have exhausted all methods for blocking Trump from becoming president, a continued near-deadlock may be the best path forward. And with elections continually being fortified that seems likely.

Defaulting on debts, and switching to a new currency are not new. They have happened to our own country before, and countless times throughout human history.

Things might get worse, but the US in general is not in a bad place for the long term. We have plenty of infrastructure, smart people, and resources. The rest of the world needs us keeping the peace far more than we need their garbage imports.

The future is bright, we're just in a transition period. I try not to dwell on it too much.

 

[Some Dumb Faggot]

It was supposed to be a wave election, on par with 1994 or 2010.

And now the R's are getting ready to waste this paltry comeback. Instead of using their majority as a weapon for long-term agenda wins (like Pelosi did in Trump's second half), they're trying to crawl back under the rock of Zombie Reaganism and "compassionate conservatism."

How does cutting spending and using the debt ceiling to bargain like everyone has been asking, "wasting" it?

 

[pwnest injun]

You can brush them all under the rug with "remember that one time the Chuds refused to compromise, and it led to the world economy imploding?"

Biden's first term has been a shitshow of inflation, war, crime, and international humiliation. The Right couldn't turn that into a Red Wave. Why?

When is this "pendulum" gonna "swing back"? Because it sure as hell isn't happening fast enough.

The percentage of the electorate who know about these things or understand them is completely insignificant. The idea of "voters punishing you for X" only exists for meme shit like muh Roe v Wade.

 

[Meat Target]

How does cutting spending and using the debt ceiling to bargain like everyone has been asking, "wasting" it?

Haven't you been paying attention?

You're giving the Dems perfect campaign ads to peel off boomers. "Republicans caused the Great Debt Crisis/recession because they wanted to cut your Social Security! "

What will these cuts win them, other than the resentment of wrinkled old grouches?

The percentage of the electorate who know about these things or understand them is completely insignificant. The idea of "voters punishing you for X" only exists for meme shit like muh Roe v Wade.

Apples to oranges. Social Security is a kitchen table issue for the demographic most likely to vote, and vote Republican at that. Cutting off people from their gibs will lose them.

They don't understand the implications of it now, but when election season rolls around, they'll fall for the scaremongering and perfidy in the ads. You underestimate how gullible the "conservative" neighborcattle are.

 

[Forest Portal Triumph 747]

Biden's first term has been a shitshow of inflation, war, crime, and international humiliation. The Right couldn't turn that into a Red Wave. Why?

I've said this multiple times before but this bears repeating: in this new era, the GOP needs to turn out the low propensity working class voters out in order to compensate for the fact that libtards are now high enthusiasm politics obsessed loons who make voting part of their religious practice, and the Democrats have built up a decent election infrastructure that aside from using the mail-in system to commit voter fraud, also facilitates a lot of money being sucked up from libshits with more money than sense via ActBlue and on top of all that, they're just more committed to the game of communicating with voters to actually get them to turn out

Robert Barnes spoke about how in Nevada last year, he was on the contact list for both the GOP and the Dems. The Republicans would just spam him with solicitations for donations (they are a soulless party that worships at the altar of the dollar). The Democrats would also ask for donations BUT they would also repeatedly give information on *how* and *where* to vote, they would also send texts to communicate information out of the blue like "hi, if you haven't voted yet, it's not too late! The deadline may have passed but here's how you can still get your ballot in."

Note that in 2010&2014, the Democrats did NOT have the solid campaign infrastructure they have now, and libs for the most part were not as zealous. In fact, many of the millennials who make up the reliable energetic Demofag activist base that does the most legwork for them now, were apathetic slackerish college kids (or high school kids) in 2010. Many of us remember 2010 and 2014 - they were red waves in part because a lot of people (especially people who aren't over age 65 and minorities) aren't as tuned as they are now. American society at large is more political in general.

The standard conventional knowledge on midterms has been that because lower propensity voters that Democrats need, don't turn out as much in midterm cycles, that they are mostly guaranteed to perform better in Presidential cycles. However, that is no longer true in this new era! The lower propensity voters are mainly the white working class which the Republicans need to turn out. Trump is by far the best candidate to turn them out for him. Therefore, 2024 is likely to be a redder year than 2022.

In 2010, the Republicans only got 44 million votes. They got around 54 million in 2022, but the thing is the Democrats have a good enough election infrastructure and $ to spend, that in 2022 the Dems got 51 million. Note that in 2018, the GOP got 50 million to vote for them while the Dems got 60 million.

I argue that comparing 2022 to 2018 is a more appropriate comparison than comparing 2022 to 2020 or comparing it to 2010/2014. This is because like 2018, the white working class by and large did NOT turn out in 2022, which is why the Republicans got only 4 million more votes nationwide relative to 2018. Interestingly enough, despite all the hubbub about "muh Roevember" and "muh drumpf/maga/election denialism", and the billions of dollars spent (along with the fact that fraud was easier to commit in 2022 than in 2018 ), the Democrats got 9 MILLION FEWER votes in 2022 than they did in 2018.

Now, think of the kind of voter who refused to vote Democrat in 2022 but did so in 2018. Are these the partisan diehards? No, because for the most part the partisan diehards *did* turn out in 2022. I argue that the 9 million who voted Dem in 2018 but did not in 2022, are mainly moderates - some of whom did vote Republican in 2022, but many of whom opted to stay home partly because the GOP wasn't good at messaging to them. I argue that many of these are lower income, lower propensity voters who view the GOP as out of touch empty suits but are more easily reached by someone like Trump, who can run on the fact that conditions were better when he was in the Oval Office. If Chomo Joe gets 9 million fewer votes in 2024 than he did in 2020, Trump wouldn't even need to increase from his 2020 vote total - and he is likely to increase from his 2020 vote total because millions of lower income voters are *ripe for the picking.*

Prediction: no matter what the outcome is, 2024 will see the best Republican Presidential performance among lower income voters in over a century (maybe Eisenhower did very well with them but I think Trump is quite possibly going to outperform Reagan and Nixon with lower income voters)! The Dems are increasingly the party of out of touch elites obsessed with transitioning your kids. Yes, Trump will do worse than Reagan/Nixon among higher income voters because a lot of them have been poisoned with the ideology of libtardism since 1984/1972 (and many of those voters have passed away because it's been decades; their descendants have been tainted by colleges and pro-libtard status signaling), but it is quite possible he'll still improve his 2020 performance with the higher income crowd given how bad Chomo Joe has been. So in a nutshell - when you factor out fraud, Trump is on a trajectory to do better than any Republican in many decades with the white working class *AND* the nonwhite working class (both groups mainly stayed home in 2022), and he may do at least slightly better than 2020 with the professional class because Chomo Joe is more unpopular now than he was in 2020 (note that the Repubs did do better with these voters in 2022 than they did in 2018&2020 for the most part, which does imply that Chomo Joe will likely do worse with them in 2024 than he did the first time around).

 

[Some Dumb Faggot]

Haven't you been paying attention?

You're giving the Dems perfect campaign ads to peel off boomers. "Republicans caused the Great Debt Crisis/recession because they wanted to cut your Social Security! "

What will these cuts win them, other than the resentment of wrinkled old grouches?

Apples to oranges. Social Security is a kitchen table issue for the demographic most likely to vote, and vote Republican at that. Cutting off people from their gibs will lose them.

They don't understand the implications of it now, but when election season rolls around, they'll fall for the scaremongering and perfidy in the ads. You underestimate how gullible the "conservative" neighborcattle are.

They aren't cutting welfare services it's all stupid shit like the green new deal.

 

[Weppers]

Haven't you been paying attention?

You're giving the Dems perfect campaign ads to peel off boomers. "Republicans caused the Great Debt Crisis/recession because they wanted to cut your Social Security! "

What will these cuts win them, other than the resentment of wrinkled old grouches?

Apples to oranges. Social Security is a kitchen table issue for the demographic most likely to vote, and vote Republican at that. Cutting off people from their gibs will lose them.

They don't understand the implications of it now, but when election season rolls around, they'll fall for the scaremongering and perfidy in the ads. You underestimate how gullible the "conservative" neighborcattle are.

Oh NO, the Democrats are going to blame everything bad on the Republicans?!? That's never happened before, it will be a disaster! Do you hear yourself?

Biden is president. Bad thing happens, bad thing is the president's fault.

 

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Will be interesting if it passes
Yes, Thats the LGTQ is concerned about it.

Isn't the EARN IT act one of those 230 faux-reforms that would kill the Farms? I think @Null mentioned it at least once or twice. IIRC it lets a cabal of deep staters and industry insiders decide which companies and websites get 230 protections and which don't, which if it sounds familiar is what the banking cabal already does with deciding who gets to spend money online.

Imagine a day in which a cabal of jewish niggerfaggot worshipping DEI priests get to decide, in secret, if you are allowed to be online or not, and if so, what unspoken new pseudo-laws you have to adhere to in order to do so. Twitter, for example, would be forced to re-implement every single fucking change Musk rolled back, especially shit like the no-"deadnmaing" rule, or lose 230 protections and thus be taken offline by the first troll posting child porn - because MUSK and TWITTER would be liable for that, and thanks to SESTA/FOSTA, they'd be liable for it even if they didn't know it happened.

 

[Null]

Earn It effectively makes Section 230 something you earn by obeying an unelected council of government boomers. Evil. Everyone signing it belongs in a Nuremberg trial.

 

[Car Won't Crank]

Things might get worse, but the US in general is not in a bad place for the long term. We have plenty of infrastructure, smart people, and resources. The rest of the world needs us keeping the peace far more than we need their garbage imports.

Speaking of imports, I've actually seen a lot of non garbage and high dollar imports used with frequency here. Lately I've seen quite a few Korean heavy equipment used for stuff like snow plowing or simple front end loaders and skid steers by the name of Taesung. You also have the more name brands like Komatsu and Kubota but those are Japanese. Most interestingly enough I've seen billboard ads for Indian made Mahindra tractors, target audience being presumably farmers or homesteaders. Cat and John Deere are probably the Snap-on for heavy equipment as more people seem to buy the cheaper but just as capable imports. This is all speculation as I'm no expert in any capacity with heavy equipment.

 

[The Ugly One]

There is, but it involves heaping hefty taxes upon Bill Gates, George Soros, Jeff Bezos, and Larry Fink. But that won't happen, because Libby rhetoric about "paying your fair share" suddenly evaporates once it's directed at the donor class.

Social Security, 2022: $1,220 billion
Medicaid, 2022: $914 billion
Medicare, 2022: $755 billion
TOTAL: $2,889 billion

Now, we'll take those four guys and force them to sell all their assets, take 100% of the proceeds, and fund the program:
Bill Gates: $114 billion
George Soros: $9 billion
Jeff Bezos: $127 billion
Larry Fink: $1 billion
TOTAL: $251 billion

Okay, so those guys paid for January 2022. Who pays for February? And then when we've wiped all them out, how do we pay for 2023?

 

[X Prime]

Most boomers would literally sacrifice their children to an eclipse Griffith style if it made big line go up slightly.

I object to this comparison. Griffith is the hero in Berserk and did (almost) nothing wrong.

 

[Kuritan Deplorable]

On the topic of the debt negotiations and spending cuts - Stop being cowards and accept that nothing can be achieved without opening opportunities for retaliation.

If you fear that your actions to improve things may give your opponent a talking point, you'll never improve anything. Your yielding initiative on a problem today, for the hope that maybe eventually there will totally be a perfect time somewhere in the future. But the reality of many things is there is no perfect time, and there is always consequence to change. There is no good time to cut government spending because in bad economic times, everyone is acutely aware of how important debt management is and how painful it can be to be struggling with, but they also fear losing government services because they are aware of the debt pain as they suffer under it. If you try to cut it during good times, nobody cares because the money feels endless and its not like you need to worry about it, it feels good to 'help' people. You don't want to hurt people when we can totally afford it, right?

Don't let a good opportunity to actually win something pass you by because you feared that you might in fact lose if you tried. Nothing is ever won with that attitude. The entire point of the goddamned system is that things are negotiated as representatives trade votes for one thing with concessions in the moment.

 

[spaztocate9000]

As a college student this really made me have hope that the system will be reformed, and I'm excited to vote for Trump for it.

I go to a smallish school in a red state, and even here it's run by commies. DIE bullshit everywhere, tons of invitations to internships and opportunities that actively discriminate against me. I'm so fucking sick of it.

 

[Romulus augustulus]

As a college student this really made me have hope that the system will be reformed, and I'm excited to vote for Trump for it.

I go to a smallish school in a red state, and even here it's run by commies. DIE bullshit everywhere, tons of invitations to internships and opportunities that actively discriminate against me. I'm so fucking sick of it.

so did I, one of my teachers had the gall to rant against the mining industry when he had mentioned that he paid his way through college working in the mines. infuriating.

 

[spaztocate9000]

so did I, one of my teachers had the gall to rant against the mining industry when he had mentioned that he paid his way through college working in the mines. infuriating.

Last semester I had an English teacher who never took her double mask off (literally no one else on campus wears masks for like the past year). She was insane. Could barely understand her muffled lectures most of the time, not that it matters in an English class if you can hear them. The dumb bitch would touch and adjust the mask frequently, and likely never changed it all day.

In my History class 2 of the 3 learning objectives in the syllabus on day 1 were diversity & oppression. FML, and he stuck with it too. Every part of American history we focused on how this affected women, indians, and blacks, and how racist white people are.

The dept lead for my major sends out emails monthly for opportunities to apply for, and without fail they are always for minorities or women. The students in my major are 90% white men, I don't get it. Maybe he just wants to piss people off? Here's shit you can't apply for, enjoy!

Next semester I am refusing to take any gen ed classes, I need a break from the crazy. Only STEM classes thank god. Those professors are also leftist nutters, but rarely bring it up (their pronouns in their email sigs give it away too). I hate how the entire admin and faculty are of one mind politically. At least half the students don't respect their bullshit and just keep their heads down to get through it. You would think there would at least be a few conservative staff in colleges in a red state, but no, evil all the way through.

Trump save us!

/rant

 

[Meat Target]

Most boomers would literally sacrifice their children to an eclipse Griffith style if it made big line go up slightly.

When I think of irrational, insatiable greed, I don't think of Jews. I think of old people. I've seen them get belligerent over fucking pocket change.

And that's why I'm worried about Social Security cuts as a talking point. Libs are manipulative, and boomers are greedy.

 

[George Floyd Sneed]

Mostly spics and black people surprisingly. Also White males must make some difference because the GOP got the popular vote for the midterms and still won the house.

The only time so far in the 21st century an incumbent party made gains in the midterms was in 2002 when everyone was gearing up for Iraq. Just barely ekeing out a slim majority in the House without gaining the Senate is not much of a victory. At least Kevin McCarthy will be able to play pretend to be powerful for a couple years. He’ll be able to land some sweet K Street gigs.

When is this "pendulum" gonna "swing back"? Because it sure as hell isn't happening fast enough.

Has there been any actual evidence of this pendulum existing? Because it’s only been going one way since 1945 and you can probably argue 1913 or 1933 as well. Conservatives believe the idea of invisible forces that are going to save them, much like liberals believe in invisible forces that oppress them.

The only way to fix the books is to cut spending. Massively. And it means cutting a lot of shit.

I agree but demographics don’t allow it. Only one demographic group is a net contributor and they happen to be the ones who are actively being reduced. Furthermore all those other demographics are promised even more social spending. The flow of gibs have to keep going or else what we saw with the 2020 Summer of Love will be child’s play.

I think America in current year plus eight is a bust out state. The last bits of wealth are being sucked away so America is a shriveled husk. Then when there’s no choice but to default, any shreds of rights will get turned over to the banks and other private interests. The Sopranos covered this pretty well. Tony and other gangsters are how banks currently treat Weimerica.