When feminist parenting feels pointless

FEMINIST CONSCIENCE QUESTION

When feminist parenting feels pointless​

The boys scuffle while the girls play nuclear family. Does education without gender stereotypes achieve anything at all?
Beate Hausbichler May 18, 2023, 10:00

First the children just let themselves wear anything, as long as it doesn't scratch or pinch. And then suddenly it's only allowed to be a dress for the daughters, and under no circumstances a pair of trousers, especially not in blue. And for sons only pants and dark colors - that's clear anyway. And this despite the fact that moms and dads have made an effort to convey to their children: All colors are there for everyone, dolls and diggers as well, of course. But all this is obviously of no use - the boys fight, while the girls play nuclear family. Users also say that it often seems to them that it "has" to be like that after a certain age.

Educator and author Susanne Mierau knows such stories from many parents. "According to neurobiologist Lise Eliot, there are indeed small differences between boys and girls in terms of cognitive abilities, school performance, motivation, emotions and relationship styles," but these are small compared to the influence of society. "At the age of four or five, many children begin to assign themselves more strongly to one gender," Mierau says. It's the age when children define their selves more: "What is my position in society? Who am I? And how do I transport that to the outside world?" All of that plays a big role for children at this age or in the transition between kindergarten and school, he says. "Paw Patrol" or princess. "The feeling of wanting to belong is an inner human drive," Mierau says. Studies even show that social exclusion can actually cause physical pain in people. Belonging to a group is therefore enormously important for children, he says. They also express this through "Paw Patrol" shirts or princess dresses. Gender stereotypes are often exaggerated by children of preschool age; according to Mierau, this is also related to how they are often portrayed in society.

There are also still too many stereotypical play activities, even in kindergarten. That's why it's important, she says, for children to be offered a variety of play activities and also to be involved in a wide range of areas in everyday life. "Boys can be involved in different care work in the family and girls in repairs," Mierau says.

A limiting perspective for children on their self-expression or potential interests is only one problem. Simply sitting back, saying, "Boys will just scuffle," is the other. Boys won't learn to deal with strong feelings like anger that way from the start, Mierau says. With girls, he says, there's more of a tendency to go the opposite way and teach them to suppress anger. Says Mierau, "It's very important to show boys that they can express themselves in other ways than fighting with each other and saying that's just normal for boys." The author understands that parents often feel at a loss in the face of strongly counter-gendered consumer products, such as martial figures for boys and unicorns for girls. That's why it's so important to get together to change the structures. At parents' evenings, they can exchange ideas and possibly discuss gender-sensitive materials for school or kindergarten. (Beate Hausbichler, 18.5.2023)

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I'm a staunch traditionalist in most respects, but am not altogether hostile to the concept of girls taking interest in or participating in traditionally masculine pursuits within reason. If a little girl wants to go hunting with her daddy or takes an interest in watching football or wants to learn a thing or two about fixing up cars, what's the harm? I feel as though that's something that should be encouraged as a potential bonding activity, further leading to a more well-rounded individual. Having said that, the issue becomes when women intrude upon traditionally masculine areas and further demand that they change to suit them. The same goes for young boys taking an interest in traditionally feminine pursuits within reason, like learning to bake or sew.

Traditional gender roles exist for a reason, as the overwhelming, vast majority of individuals are comfortable in them. Both nature and society have contributed to it in equal parts. By lamenting your daughter's traditionally feminine pursuits or inclinations, you have effectively created the inverse environment of what you've fought so hard against, environments which limit their ability to be who they want to be and pursue their interests. You have effectively accomplished nothing aside from creating a gross mirror version of what you so despise, limiting their horizons. That's where "feminism" falls apart for me in practice rather than in concept. Support and be proud of your daughter and her freedom in choosing to be her own person.
 
Whatever happened to treating people like individual human beings with their own personalities, characters, quirks, likes and dislikes?
I've really enjoyed finding out who my kids are, not trying to imprint them with some sort of conditioning or ideology but just guide them, teach them right from wrong. Keep them safe, protected and nurture their best selves.
Fuck ideologues and people who treat their children like little political or social projects, to show off and gain prestige and capital in society.
 
I thought the wokies already went back to gender stereotypes now because how else will trannies express themselves as their imagined gender if girls =/= pink and long hair and boys =/= blue and baseball caps? If a boy can like barbies and a girl can like trucks then how are we supposed to know what kids to put on irreversible hormone therapy and mutilate them for life?
 
I've really enjoyed finding out who my kids are, not trying to imprint them with some sort of conditioning or ideology but just guide them, teach them right from wrong. Keep them safe, protected and nurture their best selves.
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All these people do is lie. They don't want kids to be who they are. Because most kids will fall into (mostly) standard, gendered interests, and normal kids aren't suitable as progressive accessories.

How many of the "I'm totally cool with you being gay/lesbian/trans" parents are actually happy with their kid being normal and "super straight?" You know they're disappointed when Billy doesn't want to kiss other boys.

God damn I hate these people. Gimme muh hats.
 
We have known this for decades but every few years they try again and are shocked it fails.

Stereotypes exist for a reason. Some girls might play with cars and machines and some boys might get into playing family and dolls but on average some 95% of them do as is he natural and expected. It's nature, simple as.

Remind me of one other attempt at this where the feminist just straight up mixed up the toys and had boys with girls toys and girls with boys toys. It ended up with the boys using Barbies and Suzies to pretty much remake Charlie's Angels and the girls making car families with truck dad truck mom and car kids, down to taking their wheels off to put the cars to sleep "without shoes".
 
I'm a staunch traditionalist in most respects, but am not altogether hostile to the concept of girls taking interest in or participating in traditionally masculine pursuits within reason. If a little girl wants to go hunting with her daddy or takes an interest in watching football or wants to learn a thing or two about fixing up cars, what's the harm? I feel as though that's something that should be encouraged as a potential bonding activity, further leading to a more well-rounded individual. Having said that, the issue becomes when women intrude upon traditionally masculine areas and further demand that they change to suit them. The same goes for young boys taking an interest in traditionally feminine pursuits within reason, like learning to bake or sew.

Traditional gender roles exist for a reason, as the overwhelming, vast majority of individuals are comfortable in them. Both nature and society have contributed to it in equal parts. By lamenting your daughter's traditionally feminine pursuits or inclinations, you have effectively created the inverse environment of what you've fought so hard against, environments which limit their ability to be who they want to be and pursue their interests. You have effectively accomplished nothing aside from creating a gross mirror version of what you so despise, limiting their horizons. That's where "feminism" falls apart for me in practice rather than in concept. Support and be proud of your daughter and her freedom in choosing to be her own person.
Basically this man. In the end, it's a good thing to have well rounded interests, but if they don't want that, it's OK. You don't need to control every aspect of that kid's life. Just raise them well. Be their parent
 
All colors are there for everyone, dolls and diggers as well,
but that is transphobic. how many times have we seen the argument that little timmy is 100% def suppose to be a girl because he plays with a barbie doll or likes the color pink? i cant even with this article.
 
So, powerlevel time.

I basically AM what the feminists want from a grown woman. The problem is the absolute cost of that shit.

Not to get into too much detail, but I didn't have anyone to raise me as a girl. No one taught me how.

The thing I did learn early on, and the thing that is the fundamental basis of basically many people in my life thinking that if I trooned out tomorrow, nobody would be shocked is one simple detail: I was not allowed to be helpless.

That's the thing that drives male mentality. No one is going to rescue you. Nobody is going to support you, and hell, you'll probably be the one doing the supporting.

That's what drives a fundamental need to create, to build, to put your feelings away and understand that nobody cares if someone called you a bad name. To understand that you're not allowed to cry when things don't go your way, because if you cry, you'll get called names, not comforted and told it was going to be okay.

Men have historically built all of the shit in the world because if they didn't, nobody else would.

Am I saying that women are incapable? No. But they sure want equality when it suits them, in the world that they didn't build. And they didn't build it because societally, women were needed for other things. We're less constrained now, sure, but people have to stop denying that women would have built the world if only the awful, evil men-types didn't keep them out of doing it.

What I AM saying is that if you want your girl to be more of a boy out of some pig-headed need to socially engineer them into what you perceive as successful (or alternately vice versa to make them more sensitive to women and not rape them or some shit), the solution is imprint on them the evolutionary drive of the opposite sex.

And as someone who had that happen: I wouldn't wish that on anyone.
 
I've really enjoyed finding out who my kids are, not trying to imprint them with some sort of conditioning or ideology but just guide them, teach them right from wrong. Keep them safe, protected and nurture their best selves.
Same here. We just let them play with what they wanted to. When they were little there’d be doll houses filled with dinosaurs, princesses being rescued by dinosaurs etc. As they get older they gravitate towards more gender specific things and I think a lot of that is going to school and seeing other kids.
I’ve never pushed the idea that this or that toy is only for boys or girls, mine have always been able to play with whatever they wanted to. I wasn’t a pink and frilly girl, I liked books and Lego and hated dolls. Back then I think there was less nonsense around it. Everyone was poor so clothes and toys were handed down and used by both sexes.
Just let kids be kids.
The problem with some of these parents is they are determined to have a boy who likes dolls or a girl who hates pink and when that doesn’t happen they lash out. That’s just as bad if not worse than forcing girls into frilly stuff they hate. Some girls love pink and some don’t. Just let them grow their own personalities ffs.
 
A limiting perspective for children on their self-expression or potential interests is only one problem. Simply sitting back, saying, "Boys will just scuffle," is the other. Boys won't learn to deal with strong feelings like anger that way from the start, Mierau says. With girls, he says, there's more of a tendency to go the opposite way and teach them to suppress anger. Says Mierau, "It's very important to show boys that they can express themselves in other ways than fighting with each other and saying that's just normal for boys." The author understands that parents often feel at a loss in the face of strongly counter-gendered consumer products, such as martial figures for boys and unicorns for girls. That's why it's so important to get together to change the structures. At parents' evenings, they can exchange ideas and possibly discuss gender-sensitive materials for school or kindergarten.
Why can't they let go of this shit? WHY? Have they considered that rough housing is how boys learn the red line and manage their capacity for violence?
The problem with some of these parents is they are determined to have a boy who likes dolls or a girl who hates pink and when that doesn’t happen they lash out. That’s just as bad if not worse than forcing girls into frilly stuff they hate. Some girls love pink and some don’t. Just let them grow their own personalities ffs.
Is this just a shitlib version of vicariously living through offspring? "I wanted to live in an ungendered world, so I'm buying my son a doll." Have they forgotten what children are like - that kids will play how they want.

I was discouraged from playing with my sister's Barbies but that never stopped me - thing is, I had completely different ideas.

My sisters would work so hard tailoring costumes for their Barbies, combing its hair like its their own so it's no surprise that they go completely nuts when I use their dolls to simulate WWE fueds.

BAHGAWD TERESA WITH A SPEAR ON BARBIE! SHE'S BROKEN IN HALF! AND WHAT'S THIS KING!? SHE'S KISSING KEN WHILE STANDING OVER BARBIE! JUST DESPICABLE. DESPICABLE BEHAVIOR.

Same thing goes, when my sisters played with my toy cars they made them talk to each other like dolls.
 
All these people do is lie. They don't want kids to be who they are. Because most kids will fall into (mostly) standard, gendered interests, and normal kids aren't suitable as progressive accessories.

How many of the "I'm totally cool with you being gay/lesbian/trans" parents are actually happy with their kid being normal and "super straight?" You know they're disappointed when Billy doesn't want to kiss other boys.

God damn I hate these people. Gimme muh hats.
i had a teacher in the 2000s that would talk about much she hoped her son was gay but he just liked breasts too much. she was also the leader of the GSA club at school. being supportive of homos just didn't give her enough dopamine so she moved on to laying the need to be woke on her son. she moved to california soon after i had her for a class. a proto wokester
 
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