Culture Doom co-creator John Carmack is headlining a 'toxic and proud' sci-fi convention that rails against 'woke propaganda' - Carmack heads the list of "guests" at the upcoming event that bills itself as a sci-fi convention for people "tired of woke propaganda."

By Andy Chalk published about 6 hours ago

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Id Software co-founder and former Oculus VR CTO John Carmack is facing criticism for his recent announcement that he will be attending BasedCon, a sci-fi and fantasy convention for fans who are "tired of woke propaganda."

"I’m going to be at basedcon.com again this year," Carmack tweeted. "I had read books from and twitter-interacted with three of the authors (more since!), but I wasn’t sure what to expect last year. It turned out fun, in a grass-roots con way that reminded me of the old Space Access days.

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"I was just going to show up as a normal attendee / fan of the authors last year, but Rob [presumably BasedCon fouder Robert Kroese] nudged me into doing a talk and some panels, and I enjoyed it."

Attending a convention is a pretty unremarkable thing most of the time, but BasedCon isn't like most. Its website claims the convention "isn't about pushing any particular ideology," while at the same time listing examples of "based beliefs" that the organizers subscribe to:
  • Men cannot give birth
  • Guns don’t kill people; people kill people
  • A fetus is a human being
  • Socialism has failed everywhere it’s been tried
  • Discriminating against white people is racism
The website complains that while "sci-fi cons used to be a lot of fun," in recent years they've been dominated by "a small clique of authoritarian jerks who made them into venues for pushing social justice dogma." That in turn sparked controversies like Sad Puppies, an effort to push right-wing authors to the top of Hugo Award voting, and the misogynistic harassment campaign Gamergate, got Gina Corano fired from The Mandalorian, and drove the push "to get Critical Race Theory and other social justice garbage into schools."

It also warns that if you happen not to embrace those beliefs, you should probably stay away: "If you think people with a certain skin color can’t be racist or you expect people to use made-up pronouns when talking about you, you may want to do a reality check before coming to BasedCon."

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Carmack is known for having something of a libertarian bent—he recently defended the idea of self-made billionaires(opens in new tab), for instance—and has never seemed particularly concerned about his public image. And he gets a lot of slack, because he's a little weird and he made Doom and Quake. But headlining an event like this is a step too far for a lot of his followers on social media.

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"I've been a fan of yours over half my life and it's disappointing you're going to an event run by people with such reprehensible views," one follower wrote. "Please reconsider. There's so many better tech events that would gladly have you."

"Dude, you gave me a glimmer of hope interacting with my tweets about forms of address and VR, and now you're going to a party of chuds where /this/ is their raison d'etre," another replied. "This sucks."

One Twitter user pointed out that BasedCon does not disclose its location. The event will be held in an unnamed hotel in Grand Rapids, Michigan, but "for security reasons" does not share specifics with anyone who isn't registered to attend. I think that's a very revealing detail about the real nature of BasedCon: If you're not willing to tell people where your event is being held, maybe it's worth examining why.

The whole thing is kind of gross and sad, and there's really no arguing that Carmack isn't aware of the ugly side of the event. The website spells it all out quite clearly, and as he said on Twitter, he knows the organizer and this won't be his first trip to the show. As many people responding to the situation have pointed out, it all comes down to the old adage: Never meet your heroes. I've reached out to Carmack for comment and will update if I receive a reply.

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I dunno making trannies seethe will never not be amusing, at least to me.

Besides, it isn't like this con popped out of a vacuum, we've had years of bullshit in one direction, can't say it bothers me to have small degree of pushback heading the other way.

Will be interesting to see if they avoid cancellation, though.

Edit: Is the backpedaling beginning? 🤔
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Doesn't seem like backpedaling, he's just saying what I said earlier, he doesn't want to be associated with either left or right, he just wants to grill discuss sci-fi.
I don't know that I want a bunch of neocon, fundie (I am well aware I'm stereotyping) sci-fi books, comics, movies, and games. I want a variety of genuine stuff, not predictable stuff.

But if you aren't making it absolutely clear you won't tolerate an invasion of progressive bullshit, you will be invaded. So I guess I'll allow it.
I would love to see what kind of scifi a bunch of overweight conservative boomers in their 60s would create. Some kind of redneck-cyberpunk-conservofuturism. Like if Dinesh D'Souza made a Blade Runner movie.
 
So how long until the terminally pozzed payment processors and credit card companies refuse to work with them, making it financially untenable? If you don't think that's the next step, you haven't been paying attention for the last seven years.

LibertyCon has managed to do it for quite a while now; since 1987. Not as in your face about things, but seemingly espousing roughly the same politics. FWIW, Larry Correia is the GOH this year.

https://www.libertycon.org/ - They don't seem to allow you view the site in Tor, sadly.
 
Doesn't seem like backpedaling, he's just saying what I said earlier, he doesn't want to be associated with either left or right, he just wants to grill discuss sci-fi.

I would love to see what kind of scifi a bunch of overweight conservative boomers in their 60s would create. Some kind of redneck-cyberpunk-conservofuturism. Like if Dinesh D'Souza made a Blade Runner movie.
Think of 6th street of 2077 except it’s a major faction
 
LibertyCon hasn't made it onto the radar of either outrage type:

Type A: "We want to be a part of it, and they're excluding us! Let us in, so we can gut it from within and let the corpse rot."

Type B: "They're hateful bigots, and they need to be shut down!"

Probably because it hasn't reached some arbitrary and unknowable amount of respectability which makes it worth the effort for professional outrage mongers to get their hands on it.
 
Cope, seethe and dilate harder trannies.

Here's some salt I found:
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Carmack's always struck me as a kind of don't-give-a-shit-what-people-say guy, it's surprising troons haven't caught on until now.
"How was he cancelled by social progressives in any meaningful way?"

These are the same kinds of "men" who think Troons are real women, words are violence when their opposition speaks but violence from them is justified. Automatic disregard.
 
I have no idea about this game, but people have been sperging for days about the main character not being a Christian despite -allegedly- lore says otherwise.
It's in the novels where his name is Flynn Taggart. They aren't canon. Canon Doomguy's reason for killing demons is they killed his pet rabbit Daisy. Not joking. In the newer Doom games, it's because he's just angry.

Doom is still a really Christian game just because of the premise.
 
I would love to see what kind of scifi a bunch of overweight conservative boomers in their 60s would create. Some kind of redneck-cyberpunk-conservofuturism. Like if Dinesh D'Souza made a Blade Runner movie.
"I just want to sell everybody burgers while the whole neighborhood burns down because they have to freedom to burn it down as long as they don't burn my burger business", the game. Call it Liberalipunkism 3000.
 
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Doesn't seem like backpedaling, he's just saying what I said earlier, he doesn't want to be associated with either left or right, he just wants to grill discuss sci-fi.
Unfortunately that time has long past us. As it is his statement is akin to not wanting to side with tranny pedophiles
or the people who don'twant children raped by trannies
. But declaring neutrality have been associated with passively siding with the left and never the right.
I would love to see what kind of scifi a bunch of overweight conservative boomers in their 60s would create. Some kind of redneck-cyberpunk-conservofuturism. Like if Dinesh D'Souza made a Blade Runner movie.
Why wonder when there's already a shit ton of sci-fi written by the prior generations of overweight conservative 60ies year old.​
 
I just have to say this: Rip and tear until it's done John!
Against all the evil trannies can conjure... against all the wickedness that feminists can produce... we will send unto them only you.
We got to this point by having people on the right never standing up for what they believe and just saying they want to be neutral. That just means we only shift further and further left. Having based con to own the libtards is cringe as shit, but having people push back beyond just being neutral is the only way we're going to stop diving down the slippery slope leftward.
Maybe. I have to say that a lot of it comes across as tongue-in-cheek humor from how over-the-top the advertising is. I know people like to talk about Le Edgy 90's but you need a certain level of cringe to get there, like Command and Conquer ads asking if you had what it took to beat Stalin's high score in stacking bodies.
 
Against all the evil trannies can conjure... against all the wickedness that feminists can produce... we will send unto them only you.

Maybe. I have to say that a lot of it comes across as tongue-in-cheek humor from how over-the-top the advertising is. I know people like to talk about Le Edgy 90's but you need a certain level of cringe to get there, like Command and Conquer ads asking if you had what it took to beat Stalin's high score in stacking bodies.
A better time. I remember Cannon Fodder had a theme tune about how great it was killing people.

 
The whole con statement is cringe as fuck, BUT. If you don't make it crystal clear to even the slowest retard that you aren't going to cotton to a bunch of crybullies screaming about toxic masculinity or only giving awards to BIPOC authors, next thing you know they're infesting everything and there's a petition out to ban this, that, and every other person from your convention for how problematic they are. You can't just have a "normal" event and expect people to act like normal courteous adults, because the cancerous fuckers will immediately run in and start trying to force out everyone who doesn't toe the line.

And as others have pointed out, they have to keep the con location on the down-low or else these enlightened people will organize to threaten or attack the site in an attempt to ruin it.
 
I can absolutely get behind the intent. I've been sick of the leftist propaganda monopoly in entertainment for decades.

Having said that, I neither want in-your-face right or left ideology in my entertainment. The problem with such solutions is that it inevitably becomes a mirror image bastardization of the thing I took issue with in the first place. It's inevitably every bit as cringeworthy, pandering, and embarrassing as what it set out to be a countermeasure to in the first place. I don't just want the other side of the coin, as that solves nothing. A work can absolutely have an overarching message or theme while still being tasteful, nuanced, and not being pure propaganda, which is something that many modern works have been completely unable to realize, placing political messaging above all else.

Creating a Wonderland version of mainstream entertainment with an overtly "based" message is in no way solving the problem, in my opinion. Reading the article, it kind of seems like they're simultaneously conscious of the issue while also speeding directly toward the pitfall.
what would "in-your-face right ideology" even be like? white cis male protagonist in a heterosexual relationship? white cast in a setting based on european folklore? or do you mean ausschwitz-simulator and doom 1488 where you cut up brown people with glory kills while they beg for their life? because only one of those would be a viable business...
 
So its clear all the "based opinions" listed on the site are nothing more than a filter to keep the crazies out, and it working wonderfully. And the author chopping up the websites words to re-frame gamergate as a misogynistic hate campaign rather than the real words on the site clearly indicates this is just another shit hit piece.

And saying the location should be public to everyone? The author wants violence or the threat of violence against attendies. This person is attempting to cause violence.

So much for go build you own thing.
 
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