Russian Special Military Operation in the Ukraine - Mark IV: The Partitioning of Discussion

I hope Ukraine gets Iron Dome just to see jewland go reeee
That might put us on the hook for more money. We gave Israel the iron dome system but we refused to give them any technical information about the missiles themselves. It makes them dependant on us for ammunition. If/when Russia "wins," those debts will never be repayed while a bunch of hohol beurocrats become hundred millionaires overnight.
 
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BAKHMUT ENDGAME | CITADEL HAS FALLEN | BREAKING | Bakhmut Front Update 18/05/23​


Shit, guys, Jesus Christ is going to intervene in this war through his people on the earth
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Update from yesterday.

Update in the Invasion - May 18th, 2023 - Day 448​


Battle of Bakhmut - Day 291 - Russia seizes the Citadel and now controls 98% of Bakhmut​

Bakhmut, Donetsk Oblast - Day 137 of urban combat within the city

In West Bakhmut, Wagner Group PMC operators and VDV paratroopers have seized "Domino," the last Ukrainian-held area of the "Citadel" complex, an area of commie-blocks that is considered the last most important fortified Ukrainian stronghold in Bakhmut.
  • With the capture of "Domino" and the "Citadel," the most difficult part for Russian operations in Bakhmut is done, freeing Wagner PMC operators and VDV paratroopers to clear the rest of the city. With the capture of the "Citadel," the Russians are able to use the height advantage from the captured commie-blocks against approaching Ukrainian forces from Ukrainian-held Ivanivskye and Chasiv Yar in the west if they were to start a counter-offensive.
  • In addition, Russian troops seized the Children's Hospital and the storage area, bringing the intersection of the supply routes (dirt road and O0506) that Ukraine uses to evacuate troops or to supply the AFU garrison in Bakhmut under Russian control. They also took new areas adjacent to the Industrial College.
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Suriyak (with custom edits)​

However, just because the "Citadel" is captured does not mean that Russia controls all of Bakhmut:
  • The last Ukrainian stronghold to be captured is the commie-blocks next to the destroyed MiG monument. Once Russia seizes this stronghold, Russia will have effective control over all districts in Bakhmut, giving them de facto control over the whole city.
  • The last stronghold is adjacent to the Sovkhoz District in Southwest Bakhmut, the only pocket of Ukrainian resistance in the city, and if the Wagnerites and VDV paratroopers captures the district and the stronghold, Russia controls the entire city of Bakhmut proper.
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Custom-created (with Remylind23 and Suriyak as sources)​

The Armed Forces of Ukraine (AFU) are desperate and have attempted to storm the flanks as Russia now has the momentum due to the Russians being able to send their forces anywhere in the Bakhmut frontline to reinforce and push the Ukrainians back.
  • In the northern flank of Bakhmut, the AFU, despite a pushback in an assault from the west to take the hamlet of Sakki i Vantsetti from Vasyukivka, they managed to capture the northern outskirts of the hamlet to the Vasyukivka River (more of a stream/brook) from the north. (1)
  • In the southern flank of Bakhmut, the AFU have managed to steadily push the Russians out of the lowlands adjacent to the Russian-held heights surrounding the Russian-held village of Klishchiivka. In addition, the AFU has seized all territory west of the canal that is in the west of Bakhmut. (2)
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(1) - Suriyak (with custom edits)
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(2) - Suriyak (with custom edits)

Russia now controls 98% of Bakhmut, while Ukraine controls the last 2%. Informants within Wagner Group to pro-Russian reporter Remylind23 stated that at this pace, Russia will take the rest of Bakhmut overnight, though Yevgeny Prigozhin, head of Wagner Group PMC, claims that is too optimistic and it with take maybe more than 2 days for Bakhmut to fall.
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Suriyak​

War footage​

Destruction of a Russian-operated FAB-500M62 aerial bomb on a high-rise in the "Citadel" that was used by the AFU as a fortified position.

Wagner PMC operators capture a British-made Ukrainian-operated FV103 Spartan APC.

Recent video footage shows Russian artillery shelling Ukrainian troops in the houses behind Domino district (48°35'06.2"N 37°58'00.8"E). These kind of houses and the high buildings close to MIG monument are the last positions Ukrainians maintain in Bakhmut city. - Suriyak


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Ukraine ambassador - "to much pressure [from the world to do a successful counteroffensive]", notes that they have to complete it before US election.
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I don't see the problem then, if Ukraine isn't lying (I'm not going to go into depth about why "Russia is showing children music" in their own territory is not bad)

B..but...but I though Ukraine will win?
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How many Patriot Missile System Repair Crews does the Ukrainian military have?
None, nor would any Ukrainians be trusted with the technical information necessary to perform repairs on such a system. If it's repairable, the yanks will send their own troops in to repair it Probably tow the Patriot to a known target first, so the yank repairmen can get blown up incidentally, giving those warmongering filth a casus belli for WW3.
 
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Ukraine ambassador - "to much pressure [from the world to do a successful counteroffensive]", notes that they have to complete it before US election.
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I don't see the problem then, if Ukraine isn't lying (I'm not going to go into depth about why "Russia is showing children music" in their own territory is not bad)

B..but...but I though Ukraine will win?
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US Pres elections are 18 months away!?!?!? Does he know that? Maybe he's thinking they're this November.

Probably tow the Patriot to a known target first, so the yank repairmen can get blown up incidentally, giving those warmongering filth a casus belli for WW3.
I don't believe they'll risk that inside Ukraine, the military wouldn't allow domestic repair crews in without being able to protect them with active US military assets. Instead it will have to be towed to Poland and rebuilt (if it even can be towed). In other words any damage to these systems takes them permanently out of action.
 
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US Pres elections are 18 months away!?!?!? Does he know that? Maybe he's thinking they're this November.
I think he does know that, and knows that the Biden administration and his cronies are basically telling him he's not ALLOWED to lose or to prolong the war that long, as doing so would be a massive humiliation to the Biden administration and raise strong doubts that the magnitude of money and equpment burned up during the war was even worth it.
 
Clearly fake news. You mean to tell me Ukrainian, NATO, and US politicians were lying to me when they said Ukraine now has the equipment and power to win right now?
They're already preparing the fucking narrative and retconning everything by basically saying "WE PREVENTED RUSSIA FROM TAKING ALL OF UKRAINE GUYZ" (you know, even though Russia never wanted all of Ukraine in the first place). We're now in a world where giving Russia what it wants is a victory. It is absolutely shocking.

The EXACT SAME THING WOULD HAVE OCCURRED IF THEY JUST FUCKING NEGOTIATED FROM THE START. HOLY SHIT.

All those people, all those fucking lives, for ANOTHER failure.
> Citadel, last fortified location in Bakhmut falls
> No fortified positions
BAKHMUT HOLDS

Ok there sport.
 
They're already preparing the fucking narrative and retconning everything by basically saying "WE PREVENTED RUSSIA FROM TAKING ALL OF UKRAINE GUYZ" (you know, even though Russia never wanted all of Ukraine in the first place). We're now in a world where giving Russia what it wants is a victory. It is absolutely shocking.

The EXACT SAME THING WOULD HAVE OCCURRED IF THEY JUST FUCKING NEGOTIATED FROM THE START. HOLY SHIT.

All those people, all those fucking lives, for ANOTHER failure.

> Citadel, last fortified location in Bakhmut falls
> No fortified positions
BAKHMUT HOLDS

Ok there sport.
The entire war could've been avoided in the first place had Ukraine pledged to remain neutral instead of pursuing NATO membership and allowed a quasi-independent Donbass.. That's all Putin wanted. Then when the war started he added the demilitarization of the extremist factions of the Ukrainian military. Russia didn't want to annex any territory. This isn't speculation, the goals were defined in Putin's initial announcement of the SMO on Feb 24 2022:


Now when this is over Russia is probably going to control basically all of Ukraine east of the Dniper (the whole region that produced about 85% of Ukraine's entire GDP before this mess) and Poland will probably absorb half of what remains to the west, leaving a hellscape in between that may or may not still be called Ukraine. Not that it matters since a large percentage of productive Ukrainian males will be dead or crippled anyway.

Then the US and its NATO vassals will hail Ukraine's great victory in battling Russia to a stalemate that saved Poland and Western Europe from being conquered next by Saddam Putin.
 
None, nor would any Ukrainians be trusted with the technical information necessary to perform repairs on such a system. If it's repairable, the yanks will send their own troops in to repair it Probably tow the Patriot to a known target first, so the yank repairmen can get blown up incidentally, giving those warmongering filth a casus belli for WW3.
That could go either way. Some people will say Russia is attacking American contractors and use it to justify boots on the ground, and some people would say America already has boots on the ground because soldiers are getting killed while operating weapons systems against Russia. Either way, I'm sure the guys going in there to do the work are sweating their balls off waiting for a missile to crash through the roof and kill them before they even hear the sound.
 
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The EXACT SAME THING WOULD HAVE OCCURRED IF THEY JUST FUCKING NEGOTIATED FROM THE START. HOLY SHIT.
When this whole thing kicked off, Vesperus Snr. and I were discussing exactly what Putin was after. We agreed it would only becomes become clear when he got it. Meanwhile we (ie, the west) would spout bullshit, waste money and get people killed for absolutely zero gain.

Again.
 
Many have said that Ukraine should have opted to remain neutral instead of going to war. When the dust settles, there will be no Ukraine and the west will look like clowns.

The best bit will be the gloating we get to do to the NPC's - a practice I saw as unsavoury until COVID, now it's great. I wonder how the MSM will spin the absolute decimation of Ukraine, into a positive.
 
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