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Killing off Mutt Williams offscreen in favor of Fleabag confuses me. The Beef has mixed reception but it seems like keeping him alive would probably have had a better reaction that this.
Indiana Jones & the Dial of Destiny - Using time travel to literally retcon the series
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I literally just heard about a new Indiana Jones movie from seeing the screenshot mentioning someone pulling the "you stole from native people" in a meme channel.
This is the marketing hype Disney built for this movie. This is how they worked such a beloved franchise and set up the new installment: The first contact a lot of people are having with the fact a new Indiana Jones is coming out is seeing twitter screen-caps of a shitty cam recording of a pre-launch screening clowning on the fact that the strong woman character is throwing around marxist identity politics at the main hero to try and educate him.
I wonder just how many people Kathleen Kennedy hold files on to be able to get herself not only to such a prestigious position but keep her job and moving forward to destroy entire franchises like this. How does she do it? Is she some sort of ex-Epstein girl who kept tabs on everyone she have a handy and a blowie while on Little Saint James in the 1990s and decided to just use that to get into Hollywood or some shit? How does she do it? I am honestly amazed, there is almost a grandeur to her skill at destruction.
This is the marketing hype Disney built for this movie. This is how they worked such a beloved franchise and set up the new installment: The first contact a lot of people are having with the fact a new Indiana Jones is coming out is seeing twitter screen-caps of a shitty cam recording of a pre-launch screening clowning on the fact that the strong woman character is throwing around marxist identity politics at the main hero to try and educate him.
I wonder just how many people Kathleen Kennedy hold files on to be able to get herself not only to such a prestigious position but keep her job and moving forward to destroy entire franchises like this. How does she do it? Is she some sort of ex-Epstein girl who kept tabs on everyone she have a handy and a blowie while on Little Saint James in the 1990s and decided to just use that to get into Hollywood or some shit? How does she do it? I am honestly amazed, there is almost a grandeur to her skill at destruction.
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It was always going to happen that way. I never hated Crystal Skull the same way I never hated the prequels. I found segments enjoyable but recognised the film as a whole just barely slipped into okay. Which when they are part of an iconic film franchise is bad.
However when writers/directors/actors combine to defecate out an actual turd in that same franchise then the films that were merely okay look like high art.
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The problem with Mutt was not Shia
It was bringing back Marion Ravenwood
We didn't need Mutt's mom to be in the movie too. The interaction between Mutt and Indy was fine before Marion shows up then takes up screen time with almost sitcom style estranged Mom and Dad and Kid comedy
Time that should have been spent developing Mutt's character and his relationship with Indy in a non-retarded way, instead of the stupid squabbling between all three we got that takes up a huge portion of the middle of the movie and simply does not work
It was bringing back Marion Ravenwood
We didn't need Mutt's mom to be in the movie too. The interaction between Mutt and Indy was fine before Marion shows up then takes up screen time with almost sitcom style estranged Mom and Dad and Kid comedy
Time that should have been spent developing Mutt's character and his relationship with Indy in a non-retarded way, instead of the stupid squabbling between all three we got that takes up a huge portion of the middle of the movie and simply does not work
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Do you even have to ask?
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Hindsight is a bitch and her name is Kathleen Kennedy.
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Solo numbers are optimistic. with this and the writers strike ill be surprised if Disney doesn't go under if they keep making woke garbage. They already had to cut some woke shows like willow from disney plus to actually save money.
I think you hit the nail on the head. I have no proof, but everybody I know who's in the know say's this is what's going on. The pain of keeping her will have to outpace the pain of firing her before she is let go. Either that or they kick her to some franchise nobody cares about.
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lol. Yeah I guess so. but man.... they is it even worth it at this point? They gotta be losing more money then they gain.
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I used to love this series. It's not like I hate it, it's like I didn't care now.
Plus Jewbag Spielberg and Lucas and Jewbag Kasdan already wrote that Indy was banging an underage girl in Raiders....typical shit from that section of the populace.
Plus Jewbag Spielberg and Lucas and Jewbag Kasdan already wrote that Indy was banging an underage girl in Raiders....typical shit from that section of the populace.
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To me it seems like a classic example of the Peter Principle. She worked her way up in Hollywood, being successful until she finally reached a level where she becomes incompetent..
Mixed in with the fact she wasn't selected for the role to have so much power. George thought she would still be producing his vision of Star Wars. Her career was always in helping creatives achieve their vision. When Disney and her then told Lucas to fuck off. She was suddenly there with out the creatives to direct and so everything went to shit.
I think part of the reason she's still there is that they fucked the brand. Who would want to take it over? Plus the mistake is also Iger's.
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tbh in hindsight maybe Indy wasn't really all that great?
Last Crusade was def 12/10, Raiders had some clunky parts but was mostly great, Temple is... there. Crystal Skull has some nice parts but was mostly clunky.
Last Crusade was def 12/10, Raiders had some clunky parts but was mostly great, Temple is... there. Crystal Skull has some nice parts but was mostly clunky.
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Well, thing is, while It is pretty safe to say that Crystal Skull is the worst of the Indy movies, it's nowhere near as bad as the prequels.
Yes, Ford was way past playing the character and Spielberg was not the same director as he was in his unstoppable days back in the 80's, but the movies still had a competency and somewhat a charm to it that the SW prequels lack, and while, to me the "real ending" to the Indiana Jones story is the sunset ride in Last Crusade, the marriage ending on Skull was a nice happy ending for Indy on his old age, as life gives him a last gift, a son and a wife.
So, Crystal Skull sits on that awkard spot, it isn't good, but hard to say it is terrible either, it was made by people past their primes, but they have enough experience to know how to engage the audience, yes, even with the fridge nucke shit.
Said that, no matter how bad this new movie is, I won't say Crystal Skull is good, or "redeemed", nah, miss me with this revisionist shit.le
I agree, pretty much what you said.
Ignoring the loopy shit Kennedy says on media, she was a very good producer. People joke about her being Spielberg's secretary, but she was quite the influence on the guy and she was seen as a very competent manager, as the productions she worked on ran smoothly, or at least better than other Hollywood productions.
But she never took part of the creative process, besides some suggestion here and there, Kennedy work was mostly at the office managing schedules, finances, etc.
But when Disney bought Lucasfilm, this whole thing fell into her lap. Kennedy got the job because for her connections and years upon years working with the most influential people in Hollywood, not for her creative input.
And George Lucas was okay with that, because he thought he could just say what he wanted to be done with the movies and Kennedy would follow, but Disney wanted the hot new trendy directors in the same vein they did over the Marvel productions, and Kennedy followed.
Problem is, there is a mixture of naivety and bullheadedness on Kennedy's part, She bought the bullshit Rian Johnson sold, that Star Wars needed a bold step in a new direction, but once the bed was shat, there was never a genuine attempt to course correct, and the online bitching only made Kennedy dig her heels.
Kennedy spend her whole life to get in a position where she call all the shots, but the problem is that she never worked in order to develop a skill set to be the one doing a creative work, as she was a just manager after all.
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The monkey scene was a little much, but a bunch of the Indy games/non-movie materials already had aliens, so I was fine with it. My major complaint was how weirdly anti-gun it was. They found every possible excuse to take Indy's pistol or have him not use any gun he did get. Like in the duck chase their car had a machine gun on the front of it with a belt hanging off, and they got in a sword fight?
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Crystal Skull came out long after Spielberg went full tard with gun control and guns are bad for the "good guys" and pedobait to even touch.
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Yeah, as fun as it was to see Karen Allen again the movie clearly had no idea what to do with her after inserting her into the story, and some of the cringiest moments in the movie stem from her assigned role as the driver and/or her parenting Mutt.
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The story never really bothered me - just like all previous movies it's based on a real artifact and legends surrounding it - including it being a source of knowledge and its alien origin.
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RILM made a really good point when they tallied the Indy killing counts in the movies. Skull I think had 2, and one was just suggested. I'll be surprised if he kills anyone in this, maybe a few Nazis. Indy is at his best moments when he wastes everyone.
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Trey and Matt really showed their ages when they had indy literally raped by Spielberg and Lucas in the China problem episode of South park. For the portrayal of Chinese stereotypes or the comments cartman makes about China, I think the crystal skull bitching has aged the worst out of everything in that episode.
So remember boomers/aging Gen xers, before you shoot off your mouths claiming your childhood/youth was "raped" just remember the new generation can always do a lot worse to it. (Or in kks case the same generation)
So remember boomers/aging Gen xers, before you shoot off your mouths claiming your childhood/youth was "raped" just remember the new generation can always do a lot worse to it. (Or in kks case the same generation)
It's funny that boomers, Gen-Xers and millennials would sperg out about how they would make "childhood ruined" statements, but turn around and make the same exact shit but much worse. Just remember shit like Ghostbusters 2016, Tomb Raider 2018, Birds of Prey, the Amazon Lord of the Rings series, Batwoman, every fucking MCU, Star Wars and Disney live-action remake, etc.
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The critics of all groups giving it bad reviews has made me infinitely more interested in it than the shitty marketing has, now I want to see how badly they fucked it up. I'm leaning towards the leaks being wrong and it just being a shit movie more now, because even with the non-spoiler policy the batshit ending from the leaks would probably bleed through in their reviews and instead most of them think it's a pretty safe ending.