What anime should we recommend for Null - Operation: Hard Mode

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Rules, based on his MATI streams

  1. Has to basically pass a parents guide test
  2. Lolis are banned, no matter how slight
  3. I'm pretty sure any cleavage would be a no
  4. A good dub would probably help
This is a legit question, does a anime exist that is just as if not even more clean than the Secret life of Arrietty?
 
Animation peaked with Super President and there's nothing japan can make that can even come close
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United States only about 2 in every 10 people watch anime and 1.9 of those people only watched dubbed westernized toonami shit like dragon ball Z and pokemon so for most people they assume you're either a weirdo who still watches cartoon network or one of those anime club spergs with the naruto headband who they assume is genuinely brain damaged in some form. and unfortunately just like every "minority" its always the most mentally deranged ones that are the loudest which ends up making the entire group look bad.
I don't agree, it's a lot more normalized now especially amongst internet bred younger generations. It's considered pretty acceptable with normies, you also see a lot of relatively normal people with chingchong anime / anime inspired tattoos.

Even mainstream artists openly talk about their consumption of anime, Doja Cat, Uzi Vert, etc... Brand some of their wealth around anime.

As for spirited away or any gibili film for that matter I do not think it's even remotely pedophilic, Miyazaki's films universally theme themselves around flotation, their style is generally very floaty regardless of the subject matter. And if they were trying to fetishize minors (compared to the works of the same era) they're doing a terrible job at it. We're also talking about a series of films where the studio head out right rejects many aspects of Otaku Culture and many of the things it sprouted. It simply does not make sense especially knowing the type of people who work on these films.

I tried re-jogging my memory by looking at some cuts on sakugabooru and I don't see it. As for the character sheet below these are relatively standard figure poses that completely match the perceived mannerisms of someone of that age group Personally I don't see it
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I don't agree, it's a lot more normalized now especially amongst internet bred younger generations. It's considered pretty acceptable with normies, you also see a lot of relatively normal people with chingchong anime / anime inspired tattoos.

Even mainstream artists openly talk about their consumption of anime, Doja Cat, Uzi Vert, etc... Brand some of their wealth around anime.

As for spirited away or any gibili film for that matter I do not think it's even remotely pedophilic, Miyazaki's films universally theme themselves around flotation, their style is generally very floaty regardless of the subject matter. And if they were trying to fetishize minors (compared to the works of the same era) they're doing a terrible job at it. We're also talking about a series of films where the studio head out right rejects many aspects of Otaku Culture and many of the things it sprouted. It simply does not make sense especially knowing the type of people who work on these films.

I tried re-jogging my memory by looking at some cuts on sakugabooru and I don't see it. As for the character sheet below these are relatively standard figure poses that completely match the perceived mannerisms of someone of that age group Personally I don't see it
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The panty shots are in the other Ghibli movie with the witch.

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Also Null never said these were pedophile movies, just that even in these innocent movies made for kids you can find shit that is weird like panty shots and scenes of kids pissing like in Grave of the Fireflies. Anime avatars deliberately misunderstand and misrepresent this point because they can't explain why the animators chose to include shots of the kids underwear when they could instead chose to not do that. It's very easy for the animators to just draw her skirt in a way that it covers up the underpants in all shots, but they were directed to show the underwear.
 
the fact that you think you're making an intelligent, reasoned, and informed argument is a laugh, and if null believes this shit he's becoming a sperg, as are all of you. there is more overt pedophilia in french cinema than there is crypto-pedophilia in anime (at least among serious standalone movies, I don't pay attention to weeb or anime culture) and yet you clutch pearls to win utterly retarded internet culture points. "Owning the libs" was a joke not a fucking battle cry lol

you guys need to get out or actually see things for yourself instead of having your friends or heroes tell you what things are like and then clinging to that so you can fit into your in-group, it's really pathetic.

you people have no problem with movies like Leon: The Professional, but a slight-upskirt shot in an action/movement scene (which happens in western animation) which isn't sexual in the slightest triggers the fuck out of you because you live on right-leaning message boards all day and you need to think up a hot take to stand out.

guys, it's one thing to laugh at the shit on the farms

it's another to internalize it, and you have
 
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Also Null never said these were pedophile movies, just that even in these innocent movies made for kids you can find shit that is weird like panty shots and scenes of kids pissing like in Grave of the Fireflies. Anime avatars deliberately misunderstand and misrepresent this point because they can't explain why the animators chose to include shots of the kids underwear when they could instead chose to not do that. It's very easy for the animators to just draw her skirt in a way that it covers up the underpants in all shots, but they were directed to show the underwear.
I mean it is a drawing at the end of the day. If they want it there they have to put it there. You have a point, it could have been blacked out or the skirt moved. My question is how long is it on screen and how many people are paying that much attention? Is it just a frame or prolonged? Because Kiki's Delivery Service doesn't exactly come across as the creepiest shit in the world, especially compared to magical girl shit like Madoka. It's literally sold as a children's movie at Walmart
 
Idk why i can quote I suck at this shit. But this idea of a ghibli movie having a production staff that thought "hmm yes lets show this young girls ass" was clearly not the intention. I also thing these two images are uncharitably making the film looks way more degenerate than it actually is. Kiki's design is a long ass dress and she wears a pair of really large poofy pants under it its not panties. Which I may add is a design motif of many of these films.

It's like you point at these scenes stating that "hey this is a child and they're showing her X,Y,Z" which we both agree is wrong. But the reality is based on the character sheet and the movie itself that is not the case, they clearly designed her in a specific way so that people like you wouldn't make that assumption. But i guess they failed.

I wanna re-iterate that I'm not trying to correct you because I wanna prove you wrong and demonstrate that anime is not gay. I mostly agree with the stuff you say here, but context matters and it's important that when we do shit on anime (which is mostly rightly so) it's directed in the right place. I don't believe Ghibli is a studio with the express intention of sexualizing their characters, based on the opinions of the head people who work there & the type of work they produce.

Edit: So i saw one of the scenes in question on SB, thats like 1 frame out of a over 25+ frame cut, I don't even think it's done in twos. That means the person who found it had to have actively comb through the scene frame by frame looking for it, which says more about the person than the movie itself.
 
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I mean it is a drawing at the end of the day. If they want it there they have to put it there. You have a point, it could have been blacked out or the skirt moved. My question is how long is it on screen and how many people are paying that much attention? Is it just a frame or prolonged? Because Kiki's Delivery Service doesn't exactly come across as the creepiest shit in the world, especially compared to magical girl shit like Madoka. It's literally sold as a children's movie at Walmart
She is a witch riding a broom and you can see her underwear constantly in the movie because the wind blows up her skirt as she's straddling the broomstick. I don't think most normies see anything wrong with it, but that's because most normies don't know about Japan's creepy pedophilic obession with little girls underpants. The context of a Japanese man animating this and including so many shots of her underwear is what makes it creepy. It's the same as a mother having a photo album of her kids playing in the bathtub is not creepy, but a single man having the same photo album of someone elses kids is child porn. Everything touched by creepy old Japanese pervert fingers is tainted and weebs who KNOW EXACTLY how fetishistic anime is and how popular pedophilia is as a theme should know better than to claim this is totally innocent and if you think it's weird then YOU are the real pervert.
 
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I don't think most normies see anything wrong with it, but that's because most normies don't know about Japan's creepy pedophilic obession with little girls underpants.
Ya, I didn't think there was anything weird about Uma Thurman being barefoot in Pulp Fiction the first time I saw it, but once you recognise the pattern you can't unrecognise it.
 
She is a witch riding a broom and you can see her underwear constantly in the movie because the wind blows up her skirt as she's straddling the broomstick. I don't think most normies see anything wrong with it, but that's because most normies don't know about Japan's creepy pedophilic obession with little girls underpants. The context of a Japanese man animating this and including so many shots of her underwear is what makes it creepy. It's the same as a mother having a photo album of her kids playing in the bathtub is not creepy, but a single man having the same photo album of someone elses kids is child porn. Everything touched by creepy old Japanese pervert fingers is tainted and weebs who KNOW EXACTLY how fetishistic anime is and how popular pedophilia is as a theme should know better than to claim this is totally innocent and if you think it's weird then YOU are the real pervert.
I see what you mean. It slips by most audiences but the people doing it are perverts. That's actually a pretty educated way of thinking of it
 
the fact that you think you're making an intelligent, reasoned, and informed argument is a laugh, and if null believes this shit he's becoming a sperg, as are all of you. there is more overt pedophilia in french cinema than there is crypto-pedophilia in anime (at least among serious standalone movies, I don't pay attention to weeb or anime culture) and yet you clutch pearls to win utterly retarded internet culture points. "Owning the libs" was a joke not a fucking battle cry lol
French cinema produced Cuties and I don't think anyone here was ok with that.

you people have no problem with movies like Leon: The Professional, but a slight-upskirt shot in an action/movement scene (which happens in western animation) which isn't sexual in the slightest triggers the fuck out of you because you live on right-leaning message boards all day and you need to think up a hot take to stand out.
This also doesn't really work because the creepy chomo shit is primarily in the director's cut, they took out ~30 minutes of footage for the regular release version because the American test audiences were weirded out by crusty ass Jean Reno romancing a child.
 
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you people have no problem with movies like Leon: The Professional, but a slight-upskirt shot in an action/movement scene (which happens in western animation) which isn't sexual in the slightest triggers the fuck out of you because you live on right-leaning message boards all day and you need to think up a hot take to stand out.
1.) Matilda does not piss herself
2.) Leon does not get a nosebleed when he sees Matilda
3.) An upskirt shot is sexual by nature because (I don't know if you know this) skirts conceal panties, which conceal genitals. Genitals are reproductive organs that are used during sexual conduct for pleasure and to reproduce. Sexually. There is no situation in which an upskirt shot is not sexual because humans reproduce sexually. Upskirt shots are also ancillary to the plot 90% of the time, therefore they only serve to titilate the audience.

You are porn addicted. Reconsider some of your actions.
 
you're cutting him slack because he's null, nobody is contesting that anime is full of creepy shit. I'd be willing to cut him slack if I believed for a second he was being honest and genuine, but he's not. Animation is just a way to tell a story and null and others are treating it as if there's this whole edifice that has to be attached to it and that's just laughable and it's so insincere because this is just a reaction to the stupid shit left-wingers do. But guess what, overcorrecting in the other way just makes you look even more foolish. if it was anyone other than null and if it wasn't so easy for them to accuse anyone they disagree with as being a "weeb" you'd use a very different tone.

You know full well they aren't even being honest at all, they're trying to say anyone who likes even a single anime is a weeb.

Yes-manning Josh isn't doing him any favors. I'm going to say this take is batshit crazy, because it is. No, I don't think it's healthy to validate some of this right-wing geist. It's delusional. I think you guys need some soul-searching, because you're turning into right-wing versions of whatever SJWs are with their alarmist and increasingly uncharitable interpretations of media. This road is a left turn off of reality, and if you keep going down it everyone will think you are nuts.
My brother in Christ, you are talking about a cartoon. I imagine if you were discussing anything of any level of importance, you might have some point about the negatives of being always reactionary instead of engaging with ideas that have merit, because that's anti-intellectual. If you watch television at all for more than 2 hours a week you are probably brain damaged, doubly so if you watch cartoons outside some great isolated shows that you watch once and move on from.
 
My brother in Christ, you are talking about a cartoon. I imagine if you were discussing anything of any level of importance, you might have some point about the negatives of being always reactionary instead of engaging with ideas that have merit, because that's anti-intellectual. If you watch television at all for more than 2 hours a week you are probably brain damaged, doubly so if you watch cartoons outside some great isolated shows that you watch once and move on from.
That conversation was mental. He proclaimed he wasn't a Weeb yet violently defends anime. I at least admit it has faults while still liking it. Personally I'm in the middle ground; it's fun shit that you shouldn't take TOO seriously. After a long day working, it's nice to have some goofiness.
 
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I kind of understand the frustration he's exhibiting, because it's hard to make the argument that someone is being unreasonable when they can point repeatedly to a picture that seems to prove their point even though that point is super pendantic and probably unreasonable when you step back and do a good faith moral harms assessment of the specific problem presented.

The winning move is not to play once someone digs their heels in and points to the pantyshot picture; you can't ever win optically without looking like a weirdo even if you're right. And that's where the autism really doesn't help a lot of weebs since dying on the pantyshot mountain after multiple walls of text just ends up being embarrassing and there's not any other likely outcomes.
 
That conversation was mental. He proclaimed he wasn't a Weeb yet violently defends anime. I at least admit it has faults while still liking it. Personally I'm in the middle ground; it's fun shit that you shouldn't take TOO seriously. After a long day working, it's nice to have some goofiness.
I get into this same sort of debate all the time, but in different places about entirely different topics, though usually music and movies; millennials tend to hate anything that isn't rap. Actually, I've had this same sort of conversation about country music more than anything, since faggots think pop country is the same as Roy Orbison, Johnny Cash, and a host of names most people don' t remember anymore yet forged a genre that was turned into shit like everything else. If you didn't pay attention, I was defending anime less and laughing about you guys being triggered about Spirited Away more since it's more fun to get people arguing patently ludicrous opinions. I would probably not throw stones when your avatar is as weeby as it gets, a pink-haired anime dude. I've never liked any particular anime enough where I felt the need to express myself in this way, and it's pretty obvious you're here and trying to compensate for others calling you out on your avatar anyway.

My posting history stands for itself. I've posted almost nothing about anime, and a whole lot more about music and alt movies. Can we say the same about you, Mr. "I care about what people think about me on the internet, let me white knight null and then pretend someone else likes anime more than me because my character is too weak and I need to be loved"? I think the main difference between you and I is that I can handle voicing an immediately unpopular opinion in front of people "trying to find an in for teh l33t tr0ll5" and don't care about people dogpiling me.

I kind of understand the frustration he's exhibiting, because it's hard to make the argument that someone is being unreasonable when they can point repeatedly to a picture that seems to prove their point even though that point is super pendantic and probably unreasonable when you step back and do a good faith moral harms assessment of the specific problem presented.

The winning move is not to play once someone digs their heels in and points to the pantyshot picture; you can't ever win optically without looking like a weirdo even if you're right. And that's where the autism really doesn't help a lot of weebs since dying on the pantyshot mountain after multiple walls of text just ends up being embarrassing and there's not any other likely outcomes.

Oh, this is kiwifarms, there was no way I would "win" here, not that there is "winning" because this is a discussion and if you think someone could "win" this then you're a faggot because you had something to prove. Anywhere else though, even in the most conservative states, if you try to trot out this shit about how Spirited Away is full of pedophilia people would rightfully think you're crazy. You just think that's a normal opinion because you live terminally online and obsess about things like "weebs" and what they think. You literally think internet culture is the real world, and that's why I am here, laughing at you. Imagine if someone got as triggered as you do about Spirited Away as Spongebob Squarepants.

the sad thing is, you are so out of touch with the real world that you think are actually fighting for the white race with this weird shit. there is a ton of media, foreign and domestic, about all sorts of different things, and you're sitting here worried about what people on the internet think about any given thing or label, and I especially don't get worked up over family friendly films. However I find films, whether recommended to me or I find on a list, I don't go looking up what the "weebs" or the "Jews" seem to think about it, and the best part? With piracy, I don't even have to pay anything,

1.) Matilda does not piss herself
2.) Leon does not get a nosebleed when he sees Matilda
3.) An upskirt shot is sexual by nature because (I don't know if you know this) skirts conceal panties, which conceal genitals. Genitals are reproductive organs that are used during sexual conduct for pleasure and to reproduce. Sexually. There is no situation in which an upskirt shot is not sexual because humans reproduce sexually. Upskirt shots are also ancillary to the plot 90% of the time, therefore they only serve to titilate the audience.

You are porn addicted. Reconsider some of your actions.
No, this is just okay with you.
 
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get into this same sort of debate all the time, but in different places about entirely different topics, though usually music and movies; millennials tend to hate anything that isn't rap. Actually, I've had this same sort of conversation about country music more than anything, since faggots think pop country is the same as Roy Orbison, Johnny Cash, and a host of names most people don' t remember anymore yet forged a genre that was turned into shit like everything else. If you didn't pay attention, I was defending anime less and laughing about you guys being triggered about Spirited Away more since it's more fun to get people arguing patently ludicrous opinions. I would probably not throw stones when your avatar is as weeby as it gets, a pink-haired anime dude. I've never liked any particular anime enough where I felt the need to express myself in this way, and it's pretty obvious you're here and trying to compensate for others calling you out on your avatar anyway.

My posting history stands for itself. I've posted almost nothing about anime, and a whole lot more about music and alt movies. Can we say the same about you, Mr. "I care about what people think about me on the internet, let me white knight null and then pretend someone else likes anime more than me because my character is too weak and I need to be loved"? I think the main difference between you and I is that I can handle voicing an immediately unpopular opinion in front of people "trying to find an in for teh l33t tr0ll5" and don't care about people dogpiling me.
My brother in christ my avatar is a reference to my first when I joined the site when everyone called me Bob the Builder because of the edit- his name is Guel btw, fuckin gundam pilot. Also I've never seen Spirited Away, I've watched two Ghibli films in my life lol, I just thought the argument both sides were making was ridiculous.
I kind of understand the frustration he's exhibiting, because it's hard to make the argument that someone is being unreasonable when they can point repeatedly to a picture that seems to prove their point even though that point is super pendantic and probably unreasonable when you step back and do a good faith moral harms assessment of the specific problem presented.

The winning move is not to play once someone digs their heels in and points to the pantyshot picture; you can't ever win optically without looking like a weirdo even if you're right. And that's where the autism really doesn't help a lot of weebs since dying on the pantyshot mountain after multiple walls of text just ends up being embarrassing and there's not any other likely outcomes.
Honestly the most sane take. With anime bullshit, I file it into the anime bullshit folder in my brain and forget about it because I'm invested in the story. That doesn't make the bullshit morally right or shit, but you have to ask; am I gonna let one panty shot mandated by corporate because they know that'll drive sales, ruin a otherwise epic story? For me, if it's mild, not a main part of the show, I'll just ignore it. Now if it's some loli magical girl shit? Fuck no. Completely different animals. As you said, moral harms assessment.
 
You like a lot more anime than I do, buddy, including stuff I think is retarded. This isn't even an argument, we haven't disagreed once, you just sort of waffle on your opinion because you don't want people to claim you're a weeb or pro-pedo. It's funny how I would probably be the first to defend your bad taste (I know there's no pedo shit or anything in Gundam, either, I just think it's like capeshit) because I don't care about what other people think or forums culture or any of that, but you have to go on the attack to me so you don't look like the guy defending anime too much, because you care how you're perceived here. Grow a spine, if it was anyone other than null you wouldn't feel the need to walk back and downplay your own position. And null is turning into Lowtax if he's going to become angry internet man that thinks anyone who disagrees with him hates him, snipes at anyone that challenges anything he says, assumes everyone is trying to troll him and needs some posse to back him up everywhere.
 
I hate anime a lot, not as much as Null but still enough to be put off by the same things he is. I still watched the 'classics' like Akira and GitS. The only actual show I've watched in Evangelion. For as good as I think Evangelion is, Null would still be put off by it because of the blatant fan service and a lot of the treatment regarding Asuka (watch someone start arguing about how its part of her character, it is but that doesn't excuse the sexualization of a 14 year old, no matter how complex the character is because of it). He also went off about the hospital scene from EoE on MATI last week, which is messed up, although to be fair a lot of EoE and the later half of the show pushes it, with topless/naked Rei/Asuka and the like, I won't defend that. Null would probably even get put off by Akira because of the scene where the girl's shirt gets ripped off the by the rival biker, pretty sure she's underage. I don't recall any weird stuff in GitS (unless naked adult women is too much) so that might be something to watch, don't remember if he said he liked Blade Runner or not but its a similar setting.

Trying to force him to watch stuff you like is just an exercise in futility, and all you are doing is just proving to him that his idea of 'anime fans' is correct, in that they are creepy weirdos that try and force people to watch weird stuff. His mind is already made, why bother forcing him to do something when you know he won't change his mind?

In a slightly related note, Null should play Nier Replicant, although I wonder if he would sneed about Yonah somehow, or Kaine's 'affliction'.
 
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You like a lot more anime than I do, buddy, including stuff I think is retarded. This isn't even an argument, we haven't disagreed once, you just sort of waffle on your opinion because you don't want people to claim you're a weeb or pro-pedo. It's funny how I would probably be the first to defend your bad taste (I know there's no pedo shit or anything in Gundam, either, I just think it's like capeshit) because I don't care about what other people think or forums culture or any of that, but you have to go on the attack to me so you don't look like the guy defending anime too much, because you care how you're perceived here. Grow a spine, if it was anyone other than null you wouldn't feel the need to walk back and downplay your own position. And null is turning into Lowtax if he's going to become angry internet man that thinks anyone who disagrees with him hates him, snipes at anyone that challenges anything he says, assumes everyone is trying to troll him and needs some posse to back him up everywhere.
Dude I can like anime and still find fault in it, it's because I've watched a shit ton that i've come to understand that while I love it, I think some of it is shitty, needs to go into the garbage disposal if we ever want to be taken seriously. You know how I formed these opinions? Filthy Frank, bitch.
You can like the culture without becoming it. Most forget this and don't go outside. And the reason Null keeps bitching is because he has repeated these opinions since he started the site. Pop into a old thread and see what he's said. You'd get grumpy too.
 
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