Russian Special Military Operation in the Ukraine - Mark IV: The Partitioning of Discussion

Gog & Magog said:
When will the Special Military Operation become a war?
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Probably the same day the US Congress declares the 1)Korean Police Action, 2)Vietnam Conflict, 3)Operation Power Pack, 4)Operation Urgent Fury, 5)Operation Praying Mantis, 6)Operation Just Cause, 7)Operation Desert Shield/Operation Desert Storm, 8 )Somalia Intervention, 9)Operation Urgent Fury, 10)Operation Allied Force, 11)Operation Enduring Freedom, 12)Operation Iraqi Freedom, 13)Operation Odyssey Dawn/Operation Unified Protector, 14)Operation Freedom's Sentinel, and 15)Operation Inherent Resolve, were all "a war".
 
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WhiskeyJack said:
Probably the same day the US Congress declares the 1)Korean Police Action, 2)Vietnam Conflict, 3)Operation Power Pack, 4)Operation Urgent Fury, 5)Operation Praying Mantis, 6)Operation Just Cause, 7)Operation Desert Shield/Operation Desert Storm, 8 )Somalia Intervention, 9)Operation Praying Mantis, 10)Operation Urgent Fury, 11)Opera Operation Desert Shield/Desert Storm, 12)Operation Allied Force, 13)Operation Enduring Freedom, 14)Operation Iraqi Freedom, 15)Operation Odyssey Dawn/Operation Unified Protector, 16)Operation Freedom's Sentinel, and 17)Operation Inherent Resolve, were all "a war".
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Is it illegal for Americans to refer to all those as wars?
 
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Gog & Magog said:
Is it illegal for Americans to refer to all those as wars?
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Barring some obscure law I've never heard of, I don't think it is illegal for us peasants to refer to them as wars. The government however, will refuse to acknowledge them as being wars, and will always refer to them as "conflicts", even though they had open combat with thousands of dead and wounded. It is basically US legal autism + congress refusing to do it's job.
 
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So, it turns out that the glorious Zelensky regime have been continuing upon their favorite past time of bombing civilians (who would have thought?) with a Belgorod shelter being targeted by artillery resulting in one death and two injuries. Link (archive)

One person was killed and two injured in the Belgorod region of Russia as a result of shelling of a temporary shelter for civilians, the governor of the region said on May 30.
Governor Vyacheslav Gladkov blamed Ukrainian forces for artillery fire that hit the shelter, which he said housed displaced people, including elderly civilians and children.
"A security guard was killed and two people were injured," Gladkov said on Telegram, adding that the two injured people were hospitalized in serious condition.
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It's shit like this which helps to display how obviously two faced NAFO and western governments are. Complaints previously were levied against how Russia targeted "civilian" targets and makes use of terror tactics. Welp, here it seems as if Ukraine . I mean, we're now at the stage where the UK foreign ambassador to Estonia has stated that "Ukraine has the right to project power beyond its borders to undermine Russia’s ability to project force into Ukraine". Link (archive). - No wonder long range missiles were given to Ukraine. In this sense, does Russia not have the same right? The rhetoric surrounding the usage of strikes and bombings has begun to change upon western sources when it comes to bombings where it is now justified for Ukraine to make use of strikes that Russia was heavily criticized for by partisan media sources. Now, there is even support for a terror/retribution bombing campaign against Russia to make Russian citizens suffer for the sake of being Russians, in a war that not all of them likely support because Ukraine has been bombed. - An eye for an eye.
 
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Dammit Mandrake! said:
I consider them to be crimes perpetrated by "elected" officials still temporarily attached to their heads.
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Feline Supremacist said:
They were for Our Democracy™ so the beatings will continue until you comply.
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Did you reply to the wrong post?
kartofel said:
It is basically US legal autism + congress refusing to do it's job.
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I see why they do things this way. If I were the President of US I would prefer to keep my options as open as possible. Gives lots of flexibility for both the legislative and executive branches. I also think legal fiction make no difference when in practice the thing is still treated the same although I understand where you are coming from.
Dammit Mandrake! said:
I consider them to be crimes perpetrated by "elected" officials still temporarily attached to their heads.
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Defending South Korea against Northern and Chinese communists was criminal? I get calling the 2003 Iraq war or even Vietnam criminal, but Korea? I know this thread is in "defend invaders unless its the West / America >:(" but really? Focusing on NATO's cynical motives in Ukraine can coexist with believing nations should not be invaded by North Koreans or Chinese.
 
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Ukraine (with one day left) has canceled the Spring Offensive and is instead waiting for the Summer Offensive to begin as soon as Daddy America delivers more stuff. They waited until the last day of May to say this.

Two more weeks.

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Gog & Magog said:
Is it illegal for Americans to refer to all those as wars?
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Just seems stupidly hypocritical to insist that Russia stop calling a war a "military operation", when that's been the defacto rule in the West for all military conflicts since WWII. The US will never go to war again, officially. If we ever send troops into Ukraine to fight Russia, we'll just call it Operation Blazing Freedom or something stupid like that.
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"The bombing raids reveal where and how exactly Ukraine will strike."

Sounds like a retarded way to run a military campaign, if that's the case. Why don't they just save the ammo and fax Moscow a detailed map of their plans? Or hire Geraldo to be their spokesman.
 
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Krivoy Rog, Zelensky's hometown.

The Soviet anthem fills the air, while people on the ground discuss-in Russian-where it's coming from.

This is not the Russian anthem. It's the Soviet one, which had the same music but different lyrics.
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One of the the unintended consequences of using the Ukraine to get to Russia; making Ukrainians (and Russians) nostalgic for the USSR. Well done neocons!
 
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Useful_Mistake said:
Behind a paywall, and I can't find a way to bypass it.
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Yeah their system is pretty good when it comes to blocking unpaid readers.
Bild gets very good leaks from ukraine, but they spin them like crazy. their Youtube Channel is pure Nato Propaganda, but Bild is alot better connected than CNN and others because they are very very close to the Mayor of Kiev
 
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YumeNoHero said:
Somebody should tell these Ukraine loudmouths to stop hyping up a forever upcoming offensive. Do it when it actually happened ffs.
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So the latest I heard was that they are going for it in early July to coincide with some European meeting so they can show off while everyone is in a room. Do I believe this? No, not necessarily. Half of me is even waiting for an official statement of "we didn't say spring of what year".
 
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Gog & Magog said:
Is it illegal for Americans to refer to all those as wars?
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The US Constitution placed the sole authority to actually declare war with Congress. The executive and judicial branches cannot declare war; doing so is unconstitutional. Congress has to do it. This was done on purpose -- you don't want a batshit president singlehandedly ordering the country to war.

Unfortunately politicians have viewed the Constitution as a minor inconvenience rather than the ultimate source of their authority and ultimate arbiter of the limits of that authority and so we see no end of "workarounds" to allow presidents to singlehandedly order the country to wage a "not-war" with soldiers and live rounds. Congress allows it because it technically means they don't have to stick their necks out anymore to declare war but behind the scenes they can still be the classic warhawks they've always been.

The judiciary refuses to step in because it's corrupt as fuck, often agrees with this perversion of the Constitution and is still collectively butt-hurt about Andrew Jackson telling the SCOTUS to fuck off and ignoring their ruling during the Trail of Tears incident. It remembers that it can bang the gavel all it likes but it physically holds little power to actually enforce its rulings.

I still think whatever assholes brewed up the concept of the "executive order" and managed to make it stick deserve to be publicly hanged though. It's a shame nobody enforces the Constitution anymore. We'd have a whole cottage industry building gallows spring up overnight with all the fucking traitors we have to deal with.
 
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