Writer's Guild Strike of 2023 - Fuck these people

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What is worse?

  • A consoomer, who produces nothing, devours everything, and will threaten you if you dare disturb the

    Votes: 87 15.3%
  • The one who's work is to forever feed the consoomer?

    Votes: 25 4.4%
  • Feed them all to feral pigs

    Votes: 456 80.3%

  • Total voters
    568
MovieSlob and other "thinkers" are on heart attack watch.
If this strike starts affecting movie releases again and we get another rant from him about being denied his theater experience I will be so happy. Watching him try to reconcile that anger with his support for lockdowns during COVID was entertaining as hell.

Whenever Red Letter Media starts complaining about the kind of people they have to encounter watching blockbuster movies I just envision an entire audience of differently-melanined Moviebobs.
 
There are literally decades of excellent entertainment at your fingertips. Written and produced by talented people, with a real-life soul and imagination, who didn't have either an agenda to push or an ass to cover. If you're willing to watch stuff with fuzzy images and less than 5.1 surround sound you can easily last over the current dearth of interesting art until the world pulls it's head out of it's butt.
exactly, we have 100 years of media to look at. there are tv shows and movies spanning decades pass that were just well written stories and not political nonsense. go pirate and watch movies from the 50-80s, the same with tv shows. why does a show or movies had to have been produced in the last 15 years before some people will even consider it?
i'm aware, but is it seriously too much to ask for modern media to step up to bat? shouldn't the shit I have to go watch with more normal people be worth watching as well? is it too much to ask to put the constant and nauseating discourse over which movie has woke shit/not enough woke shit in it to rest?

who am I kidding, that last point won't wear off until the last generation and their kids are all dead, but still
I shouldn't have to seek out old shit to enjoy a good movie or tv show
I won't object to doing the work- but I will object to what made me have to do it in the first place
i get that if you want to watch something with normies they will insist that it be new, but that is more their fault in how retarded normies are. but i get it. i also very much agree that it would be nice if modern movies and tv shows didnt suck donkey balls.
 
Yeah... the sad thing is, if content were generated by AI it would almost certainly have even *less* risk and more woke bullshit. In a world defined by risk, who's going to accept liability for ticking that AI content option to "remove all safety measures"

Maybe killing off the current Hollywood elite is a good thing, I just hope the alternative is better....
you're not wrong, but at least if AI's the one doing this I can safely reassure myself that the person who made it isn't a screeching idiot whom people take seriously and pay more than I will ever make for their terrible ideas
 
Lots of people in here think more of AI than it deserves.

Not that I support these guys. I don't know enough about their demands to hold a strong belief, but talent is thin on the ground these days. Most TV and movies are shit so I'm assuming that's at least partially their fault along with the idiots that green-light their shallow crap.

Still, a world produced by AI sounds fucking boring to me.
AI in of itself is not that big of a threat I agree. However, when you look at the sheer amount of detritus that's been made so each of these streaming sites can have content and you look at their quality it's very easy to see how large swathes of these twelve thousand wastes of resources could be replaced by one computer and 500 people to clean and punch up the scripts.
 
AI in of itself is not that big of a threat I agree. However, when you look at the sheer amount of detritus that's been made so each of these streaming sites can have content and you look at their quality it's very easy to see how large swathes of these twelve thousand wastes of resources could be replaced by one computer and 500 people to clean and punch up the scripts.
Honestly as much as chat-focused AI can randomly spazz out the scripts would probably be more internally consistent than what passes for it now. Ever since the Hero's Journey became a slur in Hollywood even basic narrative structure is a shelf modern scriptwriters are frequently too short to reach, particularly for mass market stuff.
 
Lots of people in here think more of AI than it deserves.

Not that I support these guys. I don't know enough about their demands to hold a strong belief, but talent is thin on the ground these days. Most TV and movies are shit so I'm assuming that's at least partially their fault along with the idiots that green-light their shallow crap.

Still, a world produced by AI sounds fucking boring to me.
It's not that I think more of AI, I just think way less of anyone employed as a writer in Hollywood.
 
Honestly as much as chat-focused AI can randomly spazz out the scripts would probably be more internally consistent than what passes for it now. Ever since the Hero's Journey became a slur in Hollywood even basic narrative structure is a shelf modern scriptwriters are frequently too short to reach, particularly for mass market stuff.
Talking about the hero's journey and story structure, I have this theory that a lot of what gets pushed through Hollywood now is purposefully made to destroy and replace what came before. I'm not sure when exactly it started. I think the first, or at least the first big example of this is The Last Jedi. Rian Johnson came in and wrecked everything that JJ and Disney had set up with The Force Awakens and things that were already established in the Star Wars Universe for no other reason, narratively or otherwise, than that he could. I know it was the first time that I remember hearing "subverted expectations". In the six years that have passed things have gotten worse. IPs are being dragged though the mud and then thrown into a wood chipper so muck and offal can be formed into an abominable idol, shaped in it's creator's image. We have Velma, the new Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles, the new Little Mermaid, the Rings of Power, Ghostbusters and so on so on so forth.

I don't know. I might be wrong or I might be to much of a tard to fully articulate my thoughts. It just seems that there's too much vitriol with people upset that other people don't like their heretical creations and use stupid shit like "muh diversity" to obfuscate what they're really upset with, that the old still stands despite them trying to erase it.
 
The OP is good but come on the tagline for this thread should be less A-loggy. Something like "More interesting than anything they've written" or "Shakespeare has paused his grave-spinning." or the classic "And nothing of value is lost".

But I do agree, fuck these people up the ass with a takeout cup holder full of scolding hot crappy starbucks coffee.

Still, a world produced by AI sounds fucking boring to me.
And nightmarish. Uncanny Valley evolves into Unnerving Canyon.

In a way, it already is in entertainment. I said as much in the Western Animation thread but basically due to real life events like 9/11 and the financial crisis, and of course the rise of internet retardation memes, a lot of creativity is so stifled and uniformed it's artificial. MOST of the industry cogs are from the same suburbanite stomping grounds, MOST of them think a "deep and dark past" is their parents telling them to dress nice and stand still in church, MOST of the artists forgo tried and true anatomy lessons for flipbooking their notebook doodles and ALL not most think we care the logical conclusion is coming for them when they ruin our hobbies and shows because they can't take criticism (ie the truth) when their shit sucks.

Spoiler Alert: We don't. In fact, we welcome it. 🚬

how do these fucking idiots think quitting their jobs is going to keep them from being replaced by AI
[insert Stonetoss panel "Burgers?" but saying "AI?" instead]
 
Would you make the children of the world suffer
Yes
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And for no reason
Ever since the Hero's Journey became a slur
What, because of the soywars movies?
 
Honestly, are people here telling me that AI couldn't write a Big Bang Theory spin-off or replacement? We already saw how that AI generated Seinfeld knockoff was. I don't think it's that far. Plug in 80 years of sitcom TV scripts (and maybe 30 or so of radio comedies), and voila! Goyslop for the masses for the next 100 years.

Would it be art? Hell no! Are most sitcoms made, even in the last 50 years/ Hell no! It's all formulaic, beat for beat the same shit. Maybe you need someone to go through and give it a polish, but more 80% of the work could be done before a human touches it.

The suggestions about what to do in the interim are good. I'd add that physical media (legit or yo-ho-ho) is important. These fucks aren't content with ruining new stuff, they also go back and change books and movies. Look into the Roald Dahl changes. (And for media, colorization in the 80s. It's going to happen to movie plots and actors too.) Get a hard copy.

Me? I think I might start watching Dr. Who. From the beginning.
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good luck
are you going to include any reconstructions of the lost episodes or just pass over them?
I have most of the professionally completed reconstructions (I think mostly animated). Obviously the unreleased ones, need to be a bit more creative, but I'll give it a shot, see how it goes. I know the Marco Polo serial is held in high esteem and is presumed lost.

Edit: This is where we need AI, to reconstruct some damn lost Doctor Who.
 
Honestly, are people here telling me that AI couldn't write a Big Bang Theory spin-off or replacement? We already saw how that AI generated Seinfeld knockoff was. I don't think it's that far. Plug in 80 years of sitcom TV scripts (and maybe 30 or so of radio comedies), and voila! Goyslop for the masses for the next 100 years.
I initially dismissed the AI claims as retarded, but then came to the same realization; 80% of the writers are working on procedually generated drivel. The concept that Marvel capeshit and stuff like that having an entire writing room for their shit is mortifying to me.
I do feel for people with actual talent and proper skin in the game (who probably won't be replaced by AI, let's be fair) as only the rich get richer on the cost savings when it comes to streaming and repeated viewings, but Lashaniqua Clay, brave transwomyn who wrote Shild Predetor, a loveable marketable figure for Big Mouth season 22, episode 3 I feel no sympathy for. It's also partially their fault that writing turned into a gig economy, considering the amount of people who'd do ANYTHING to write for Disney, Warner Bros etc. just to say they can, even if the pay is garbage.
The people who probably shouldn't even be in the industry are the loudest and discredit a proper movement.
 
I initially dismissed the AI claims as retarded, but then came to the same realization; 80% of the writers are working on procedually generated drivel. The concept that Marvel capeshit and stuff like that having an entire writing room for their shit is mortifying to me.
Specifically with the MCU at some point, I wanna say either at or after Avengers 2 or Civil War, they designed the fight scenes using computers to plot and render everything and that forced the director to create the scene around it. So we already have the main draw of these movies, the spectacle of super humans punching each other and/or blue lasers, computer generated with no thought of the narrative. So yeah, why do we need a room full of idiots when Marvel could develop their own AI based around the decades of their own comic IPs?
The people who probably shouldn't even be in the industry are the loudest and discredit a proper movement.
And any writer worth their salt cannot say anything because they're all unionized and the second they step out of line they are black listed to the point they can't even scab as a Hallmark Christmas movie writer. That angers me. People who actually create something of value are being hurt by fucking retards who firmly believe they deserve money forever because they wrote for a show that no one asked for, no one watched, no one even noticed was gone, and will be replaced by the next piece of throwaway media. Top that off with absolute brainlets who are trying to make this into a political issue by declaring "We are fighting against capitalism!" you got yourself a shit sundae that makes every single person out there who's struggling, who would be consuming the throwaway media just as a form of escapism, get filled with faggot fatigue. I guess it's already kinda happening as I'm seeing no real support for the strike outside of industry assholes and primo consoomers.
 
Not even AI, I'm just wondering when companies start hiring writers that KNOW they would never have a chance in the old system (straight, white, Christian / right leaning dudes) from the net. The kind that were already basically black balled by Hollywood so what do they have to loose?
 
The antithesis to this writer's room shit these lunatics are fighting for, is beloved Simpsons writer John Swartzwelder.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Swartzwelder
https://archive.ph/zUTIS
He was a writer for The Simpsons in the classic era (bleeding over a bit into the early suck era), having written 59 full episodes and contributed to more. Some of his episodes include the Bad Dream House segment of the first Treehouse of Horror, Two Cars in Every Garage and Three Eyes on Every Fish, Itchy & Scratchy & Marge, Brother, Can You Spare Two Dimes?, Itchy & Scratchy: The Movie, Whacking Day, Krusty Gets Kancelled, Rosebud, Bart Gets an Elephant, Radioactive Man, You Only Move Twice, Homer vs the Eighteenth Amendment, Homer's Enemy.... Oh, and contributing lyrics to Spider-pig from the movie. The list goes on.

The wiki article is worth a read on its own, but in summary, John bounced around in the 80s, writing for SNL and a few other small things before finally landing on The Simpsons. A copious smoker, he was granted to *not* be in the writer's room because of his smoking, and just allowed those in the writer's room to rewrite his work as they saw fit. (And in general, his work didn't need as much of a rewrite.) He would typically write from this period on in a coffe shop. When Commiefornia passed a no-smoking ban in public, he literally bought the booth he would sit in so he could write from home. (In a 2021 interview, he said it had nothing to do with smoking, and that he bought a new booth. I like the legend better.)

But guess what? He wasn't a shitlib:
Swartzwelder has been referred to as a libertarian, as well as a "hard-core conservative". He is a gun rights advocate, and despite having written many of the environmentally themed Simpsons episodes, he has been described as an "anti-environmentalist". David Cohen once related a story of Swartzwelder going on an extended diatribe about how there is more rainforest on Earth now than there was 100 years ago.
So even in the mid 90s, the funniest man in the room, was already being chased out (or at least negotiating an out) to get away from the libs. And in general, his work didn't need a full room of 10-20 knuckle-draggers to improve his work (although obviously his work had some rewrites).

I need to find Pistol Pete now...
Edit: Oh, it's on his website:
https://johnswartzwelder.com/pistol-pete/
 
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Not even AI, I'm just wondering when companies start hiring writers that KNOW they would never have a chance in the old system (straight, white, Christian / right leaning dudes) from the net. The kind that were already basically black balled by Hollywood so what do they have to loose?
They'll either be scooped up by already-existent underdog studios or they'll form their own studios and go from there. Or put their "talents" to the test by applying overseas since they have a more longevity kind of love for the arts than the states. Either way if they didn't have something to fall back on, they'll be back somehow someway. After all, that's how a majority of the hacks were able to get where they are now due to whining about divershitty and gendershit.
 
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