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France bans short-haul flights​

France is the first country to ban short-haul flights. For the Greens, however, the measure does not go far enough, because harmful emissions are only minimally reduced as a result.
Stefan Brändle
June 1, 2023, 09:00


Paris - Those who can take the train should no longer use the plane: Following this motto, the French government is banning certain air routes between cities that can be reached comfortably and without changing trains. "This measure is a world first," Transport Minister Clément Beaune rejoiced Tuesday. "It is part of our efforts to promote the use of climate-friendly means of transport."

Specifically, three scheduled flights from Bordeaux, Nantes and Lyon to Paris-Orly will be cancelled. There is a TGV train connection of less than two and a half hours between these cities. This is the main criterion for the cancellation of the flights. A 150-member citizens' assembly convened by President Emmanuel Macron to prepare a climate law had gone further in 2021: It also wanted to cancel flights to destinations that could be reached in a four-hour train ride. This would have affected eight cities, including the Mediterranean city of Marseille, which can be reached from Paris in a three-hour TGV ride.

However, airport operators had filed a lawsuit because of the restriction on freedom of movement. The French Council of State and the EU Commission in Brussels finally approved the criterion of two and a half hours of alternative train travel time. The green party EELV said the new ban was useless because the three affected lines had already been discontinued. Beaune countered that this showed the effectiveness of the measure: "These routes were not cancelled by the Holy Spirit, but because the flight ban was approaching," he noted this week via Twitter.

However, "Citizen's Collective 06," which operates on the Côte d'Azur, accuses Beaune of deliberately sparing busy routes such as Nice-Paris or Marseille-Paris, which require a TGV journey time of three to five hours. Macron's new measure is a "masquerade" and thus a prime example of hypocritical "greenwashing".

For their part, transport experts point out that the two-and-a-half-hour criterion would still allow flights between Bordeaux or Nantes and Roissy Airport in Paris. In fact, from Bordeaux to the international terminals of Roissy, the TGV takes more than three hours. Beaune justifies this exceptional case by saying that entire cities cannot be deprived of connections to worldwide destinations. International connections via the international Air France hub in Roissy are excluded from the ban anyway.

Only minus 0.23 percent
Climate activists complain that the short-haul flight ban that has now been enacted will only reduce CO2 emissions by 0.23 percent of total air traffic in France. Beaune knows the answer to that, too: the new route ban is just a start, and the government prefers airlines to close routes themselves before the ban takes effect. "But of course we have to go further," the transport minister added. "We will include more and more lines by increasing the alternative travel time by TGV to three hours, for example. This should close more lines."

In Vienna, Austrian Airlines has already committed to shifting the Salzburg-Vienna Airport route to rail, which takes three hours. The same is planned for Graz.

Pressure is also mounting for private jets. Austria, France and the Netherlands have written to the EU Commission these days to restrict air travel in private jets. Beaune explained that both flight restrictions and higher taxation of private air travel are conceivable, both at national and European level. EU transport ministers plan to discuss the issue on Thursday. (Stefan Brändle from Paris, 6/1/2023)

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banning certain air routes between cities that can be reached comfortably and without changing trains.
Idk dudes, so close is pretty wastful and probably used by middle /upper managment working from a different city. Plus trains in France should be comfy and have alright view.
 
Idk dudes, so close is pretty wastful and probably used by middle /upper managment working from a different city. Plus trains in France should be comfy and have alright view.
Who needs those short haul flights, amrita? I'm sure longer flights and international flights will still be cheap and available to the masses because the airlines won't have to increase prices to make up for lost short haul revenue or anything!
 
Idk dudes, so close is pretty wastful and probably used by middle /upper managment working from a different city. Plus trains in France should be comfy and have alright view.

Sure but I don't trust these "people" to have any sort of decency and good faith. So I am taking it as a sign they hate us.
 
Or here me out. We use this thing called human develop to create new technology to overcome problems like the human race has been doing for thousands of years.
stupid question probably, why dont they just make eletric plane? Is it just not efficient to fly a plane? Just get some big ass battery. charge them up at the airport and send it on its way. I realize taking off the ground probably require more energy than just rolling around but arent we going to get there eventually?
 
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Most of those short-haul flyers are connecting to a hub airport in order to travel a longer-haul flight.

Picture a family with an infant and toddler. Now, to do their long-haul flight, they need to take the train and schlep their luggage across town from the train station to the airport, adding hours, possibly a day, to their travel schedule.

This isn't just anti-poor, though it is also anti-poor. It's profoundly anti-family and anti-reproduction. Adults are much better able to tolerate stupid problems in pursuit of travel. This is just one more thing to make it hard to have kids and especially hard to have more than one or two.
 
Most of those short-haul flyers are connecting to a hub airport in order to travel a longer-haul flight.
Yeah this was my thought. You do t take that flights becasue you only fly you take it as a hub and spoke. With kids changing to a train with luggage is mightmareish, you wouldn’t do it.
Also I suppose private planes are exempt…
 
Looks like the smugglers are going to find more business headed their way with all these 'environmental' garbage being shoved down our throats. Seriously, fuck this attempt at re-introducing sumption laws.
 
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Most of those short-haul flyers are connecting to a hub airport in order to travel a longer-haul flight.

Picture a family with an infant and toddler. Now, to do their long-haul flight, they need to take the train and schlep their luggage across town from the train station to the airport, adding hours, possibly a day, to their travel schedule.

This isn't just anti-poor, though it is also anti-poor. It's profoundly anti-family and anti-reproduction. Adults are much better able to tolerate stupid problems in pursuit of travel. This is just one more thing to make it hard to have kids and especially hard to have more than one or two.
Come the fuck on, of all the things you can say about this, you're making it into an anti-natalist thing?

Yes, the French (who haven't been breeding successfully for decades) are going to have even less kids (TFR starting with a big zero I guess) because they can no longer get connecting flights to a handful of regional airports

The fuck kinda sense does that make

Anyways I even kinda like this measure, why not try staying where you are for once instead of escaping to yet another insipid tourist trap so you can feel partially alive for 5 minutes. The problem isn't the measure itself, it's the government overreach, but I have my doubts that this was legitimate to begin with. Were these routes even profitable? Did someone hand off a bundle of Euros behind closed doors so that they could turn this into fake and gay "environmental" news?
 
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