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Is the ukrainian counter-offensive a distraction to lull russia into going on the offensive, when all along the pesky ukrainians were just baiting them?
Russian Special Military Operation in the Ukraine - Mark IV: The Partitioning of Discussion
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Pretty sure it was the opposite, but now that Russia have captured the city formerly known as Bakhmut and struck the building that used to contain the strategists and destabilize the Ukrainian army with constant shelling while it restructured, this is probably the best time
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Russia used the abandoned Russian Legion (or whatever they call themselves) MRAPs as target practice for their Lancets, probing to find the weakest point to exploit.
It's not just a L for Ukraine but the US and our absolutely retarded system of military procurement.
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It's not just a L for Ukraine but the US and our absolutely retarded system of military procurement.
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No, I think they've effectively lost their C-in-Cs and now are reacting based on what officers on the ground are seeing, hence the asymmetrical way they're fighting, hoping they hit the Russians in just the right spot to rout them.
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Eh, it's not like MRAPs are anything particularly special when it comes to combat. They're just big, bulky, armored taxis that are primarily armored in a way that focuses on protecting them from mines and IEDs, not from weapons fielded by an actual standing army like ATGMs, tanks, or artillery. The reason the US and other NATO countries went and deeply invested in the things is because we assumed we would be playing peacekeeper in the MidEast and Afghanistan for the next 30 years.
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We still are,
and so is Russia.
I am sure Russia will consider disclosing the vulnerabilities of MRAPs and other US hardware to their partners and friends good policy, to our detriment (which is the goal).
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No , its american retardation jumping over to europe..
Armored Cars are just useless, just like normal infantery, the US is just stuck 100 years in the past and the retardation is infecting all other nato partners.
Germany is the only Nato member with a modern doctrine, but the bundeswehr is so underfunded that we can only field what we got and not what we want.
France is the only Nato Member that has mastered light attack forces against terrorists and sweden is not yet Nato, but has a pretty good defense doctrine.
The US and UK are just useless against anybody that isnt fucking goats....
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Honestly, the 'counteroffensive' has been a massive wet fart. Its taken so long and been so heavily telegraphed that its going to involve mass armor that Russia has fortified lines to funnel them where they want to go. Not only that, its taking so long, Russia is able to build up an offensive of its own and hit strategic bunkers (which killed NATO and glowies), pushing it back further.
Russia isn't going to sit on its heels forever and Ukraine can't really afford to just dig in and stagnate. My bet is the hope is that Russia attacks first in some sort of rushed offensive, that Ukraine pushes back and then steps into a counter-offensive, but that's relying on the hope of a failed Russian offesnisve strategy, because if it is successful, that offensive becomes a defense.
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Update from last week. (onion)
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Update in the Invasion - June 3rd, 2023 - Day 464
Summary - Russia launches offensives in Seversk, Donetsk, and Kupyansk fronts; Ukraine launches another attack towards Belgorod Oblast in Russia
People have been wondering when and where the next Russian offensive is going to be, with the candidates between Kupyansk, Seversk, and Donetsk. Recent reports suggest that the Russian Armed Forces are assaulting in all three places, and have intensified these offensives thanks to reinforcements and have captured a good portion of territory. Ukraine on the other land launched an assault into Belgorod Oblast in Russia with their Free Russia regiments but were repulsed.Seversk Front
Seversk, Donetsk Oblast- On 31 May 2023, the Russia Armed Forces under Tsentr Command consisting of paratroopers received reinforcements and have launched a successful offensive in Kremensky Forest as part of a pincer movement to force units of the AFU to leave the Ukrainian-held village of Bilohorivka in Luhansk Oblast, which is mostly controlled by Russia through the Luhansk People's Republic (LPR). (1)
- Their gains resulted in turning areas of the forest alongside the northern shore of the Donets River into a grey area, which is on the northwestern flank of Bilohorivka. The AFU attempted several counter-attacks on Russian positions in the forest, but all were repelled.
- The AFU has held Bilohorivka since recapturing it from Russia in the 2022 September counter-offensive and have fought bitterly hard to retain control of the village, having been entrenched deep within. This is why the Russian Army and the AFU are fighting over the heavily contested filtration plant east of Bilohorivka for a week without any success from both sides.
- According to SuriyakMaps, the objective of the Russian capture of Bilohorivka is the expansion of the buffer around the Russian-held city of Lysychansk in the LPR where it would be safe to rebuild the city, rather than launching an offensive towards Seversk in Donetsk Oblast, 12 km southwest of Bilohorivka.
- The Russian Armed Forces under Tsentr Command (with the involvement of pro-Russian Chechen special forces Akhmat) have also gained success in Spirne on 1 June 2023, a village in Donetsk Oblast 13 km southeast of Seversk. After months of grindy assaults with little to no success, the Russians managed to break through and captured the first houses of the village. (2)
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(2)Russian paratroopers filming the capture of Ukrainian positions including AFU casualties.
Donetsk Front
Donetsk, Donetsk Oblast- Russian Armed Forces under Yug Command received reinforcements and have pushed their offensives toward Avdiivka, Marinka, Pervomaiske, and Nevelske to expand the buffer zone around the Russian-controlled city of Donetsk, the capital of the Donetsk People's Republic and Donetsk Oblast.
- Pro-Russian Chechen special forces Akhmat have recently joined the fighting in Marinka and reinforced the push by the Russian Army to capture the town on 2 June 2023. The Russian Army managed to capture numerous blocks up to two streets in the central town of Marinka (4), as well as some areas in North Marinka (3). Marinka is an obliterated suburb around 23 km southwest of Donetsk, of which the Russian Army and the AFU have fought over a year.
- Russia is also attempting to advance with their encirclement of Avdiivka, a Ukrainian stronghold that the AFU uses to shell Donetsk in the south, in which the distance is 15 km. On 2 June 2023, the AFU managed to push the Russians from a small area west of Krasnohorivka, a village north of Avdiivka, while the Russian Army made very little gains in the north of the village after a Ukrainian counter-attack. (5) Pro-Russian reporter Remylind The Russian Army is also reported by DPA to have assaulted south of Kamyanka on 31 May, which is northeast of Avdiivka, with no gains.
- DPA reports that the AFU managed to push the Russian Army out of some territory north of the Russian-controlled town of Volodymyrivka, which is southwest of Donetsk and close to Vuhledar. However, SuriyakMaps has not reported these gains.
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(5)Kupyansk Front
Kupyansk, Kharkiv Oblast- Russian Armed Forces under Zapad Command have continued their advances from last week in which they advanced south of the hamlet of Masyutivka and the village of Lyman Pershyi in Kharkiv Oblast along the Oskil River. They are now currently 6 km from reaching the Ukrainian-held city of Kupyansk in the south, of which Ukraine held since its recapture in the 2022 September counter-offensive and having its civilians evacuated since March 2023. (6)
- The AFU attempted to launch a counter-offensive to push the Russians back but was repelled, and the Russian Army captured some prisoners of war from the AFU. As the AFU retreated, they were also shelled. There were also reports through DPA that the Russian Army also created a beachhead west of the Oskil River, and Ukrainian attempts to push them out were repelled due to being shelled. This was not reported by SuriyakMaps.
(6)Bakhmut Front
Bakhmut, Donetsk Oblast- The AFU is still attempting to launch a pincer maneuver to force the Russian Army to withdraw from Bakhmut, but they have little to no success in assaulting the heavily fortified Russian flanks. They only made little gain in capturing one of the lowlands before the Russian-controlled heights next to the Russian-controlled village of Klishchiivka in Bakhmut's southern flank. (7)
(7)Ukraine launches an assault on Belgorod Oblast
Ukraine has launched a failed assault on the border town of Shebekino in Belgorod Oblast, Russia composed of their Free Russia regiments. Pro-Russian reporter Remylind23 has reported that newly-trained Wagner PMC units will be sent to Belgorod Oblast, much to the chagrin of pro-Russian Telegrammers, who think that Wagner PMC will be sent on guard duty on the border since they're good for offensive operations, not defensive.
Russia Ministry of Defense reported the sinking of landing ship Yuri Olefirenko of the Ukrainian Navy
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- [ Kupyansk-Svatove Front ] FIGHTING REPORTED WEST OF MASYUTIVKA (west bank of Oskil River): Ukr MOD
- [ Avdiivka Front ] RUSSIA ATTACK SOUTH OF KAMYANKA; Ukraine counterattack east of Novokalynove
- CHECHENS FORCES REPLACES WAGNER; Fighting reignite at Pobjeda [ Ukraine SITREP ] Day 461 (30/5)
- UKRAINE RESUMES OFFENSIVE TO PINCER BAKHMUT; op encirclement could force retreat - Bakhmut Front
- YURI OLEFIRENKO SUNK IN ODESSA PORT; war heats up again [ Ukraine SITREP ] Day 462 (31/5)
- RUSSIA DEVELOP SALIENT ALONG SEVERSKYI DONETS RIVER; Ukraine forest attack repulsed - Kreminna Front
- FIGHTING ON EAST SIDE OF OSKIL RIVER; Ukraine attack along Timkovka-Kotlyarivka line -Kupyansk Front
- UKRAINE CONTINUES KLISHCHIIVKA OFFENSIVE; contradict Land Force Cmdr Syrskyi claims - Bakhmut Front
- RUSSIAN FORCES ENTER SPIRNE; Ukrainian forces fail to enter Russia [ Ukraine SITREP ] Day 463 (1/6)
- RUSSIA PUSH SOUTH OF MASYUTIVKA CAPTURING MORE FOREST; Fighting towards Dvorichna - Kupyansk Front
- RUSSIA CAPTURED 70-80% OF MARINKA; fighting on both North & South of town - Donetsk Front
- CHECHEN STORMS MARINKA; Ukr counterattack south of Masyutivka [ Ukraine SITREP ] Day 464 (2/6)
- [ Avdiivka Front ] RUSSIA PUT PRESSURE ON BESIEGED AVDIIVKA; Ukraine tries to cut northern flanks
- [ Kupyansk Front ] UKRAINE COUNTERATTACK SOUTH OF MASYUTIVKA; failed operation likely create doubts
- [ Kreminna Front ] MAJOR ASSAULT THRU SEREBRYANSKE FORESTRY; Russia counter with shelling/airstrikes
Russian Command Groups
Russian Armed Forces
Don't focus on the meaning of the names too much; the names of the Russian command groups don't corroborate with their actual locations and directions.- Zapad (Запад, West; controls the Russian Armed Forces at the Kupyansk Front in Kharkiv Oblast)
- Tsentr (Центр, Center; controls the Russian Armed Forces at the Kreminna Front in Luhansk Oblast/northern Donetsk Oblast)
- Yug (Юг, South; controls the Russian Armed Forces at Bakhmut and Andiivka/North Donetsk) - the most competent and efficient of the five, including the most elite of the Armed Forces, the Russian Airborne Forces (VDV; Vozdushno-Desantnye Voyska)
- Vostok (Восток, East; controls the Russian Armed Forces at Zaporizhzhya Oblast, west Donetsk Oblast)
- Dnipro (Днепр; Dnieper River; controls the Russian Armed Forces at Kherson Oblast)
Private Military Companies
- Wagner Group (Donetsk Oblast and Zaporizhzhya Oblast)
- Konvoy (operates in Kherson Oblast)
Special Forces
- Akhmat (operates in Luhansk Oblast and Donetsk Oblast) - pro-Russian Chechen special forces
Reliable Sources for Updates
- DPA: https://www.youtube.com/@DPA-War/videos
- HistoryLegends: https://www.youtube.com/@historylegends
- Weeb Union: https://www.youtube.com/@WeebUnionWU
Reporters
- Remylind23, a (very) pro-Russian journalist within Wagner PMC inside Bakhmut - good for reports inside the city: https://t.me/s/remylind21
- Deep State UA, a (very) pro-Ukrainian source with accurate mapping if you ignore the ad hominems: https://t.me/s/DeepStateUA
- Suriyak, a neutral source: https://t.me/s/Suriyak_maps
Off-topic
Potential Ukrainian offensive into Russia?
My gut is now telling me that Ukraine will not launch a counter-offensive to retake Russian-occupied territories in Ukraine but will launch an offensive to take Belgorod or any Russian city on the border and hold it as ransom. I feel that these assaults into Belgorod Oblast are probing attacks to find weaknesses in the Russian-Ukraine border that the AFU can exploit and push an offensive. It's a surprise assault that nobody expects, humiliates Russia more, and is a plan that is crazy and desperate enough.- Joined
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Well some in the AFU/SBU may think so, but not everyone and even the most fervent holhols have misgivings. This one guy from the Keef Independent, Oleksey Sorokin, understands the Russian Legion is bullshit, says there's no significant opposition to Putin and these failed excursions will only make the residents of Russia support Putin, and the SMO, even more, not less.
As for pushing an offensive; well...
The result of the meeting with the combat group of the GUR of Ukraine in the Belgorod region. The militants broke through in the Shebekino area. Our consolidated squad met the enemy in beauty. No one was taken prisoner. Videos and photos from the participants of the battle.
"Where to bury you all..."
No one was taken prisoner
Earlier June 3 2023
6 Tu-95 Bear bombers went airborne following shelling of Belgorod.
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And Geraniums.
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I read Wagner units that have been on leave will redeploy to Belgorod but didn't find a source. Will edit post if I do.
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Seems like the worst place to attack. Aside from the morale boost and the result of a general mobilization as a result, Russia might decide that only Eastern Ukraine is worth attempting to preserve while laying the rest of the country to waste. Can't rule the whole country, after all and the reason why the Russians are able to hold on to what they have is a civilian population preferring to work for them rather than the Ukrainians.
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Yeah, trying to take Russian cities does cross a line that would encourage Russia to just flatten the rest of Ukraine, but that line has been crossed multiple times now with a more tactful response then expected
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To be honest, I think its just pragmatism. I think we're not seeing an escalation from Russia on this part because it is fighting a whole alliance, not just Ukraine. I don't think Russia currently has plans to escalate, but they'd be foolish to do so as the West desperately wants any excuse for them to do so.
The thing is Russia knows the proxy war cannot be supported indefinitely. Money and will is already gone from Western populations and only boomer governments want to keep doing this. "Suffer more for Ukraine" is not a rallying cry that's going to win elections, we're staring down the barrel of a recession. Many factors and metrics are lining up to 2008, including the auctioning of one-day maturing cash bonds by the treasury, and not to mention the Fed AGAIN considering to raise interest rates (already raised them greater than 5% in one year).
Its clear that Western support will not hold out forever for a country most people couldn't point out to on a map. The counter-offensive for Ukraine needs to happen as politicians have to present something for what they've gained otherwise anti-war politicians will start biting. And if a full on recession happens, it will start to fully endanger politicians who will, predictably, toss Ukraine to Russia to save their own asses.
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Also what it seems to be happening with the laughable "ATTACK RUSSIA FROM BEHIND ENEMY LINES GUYZ" is to try and get an *laughs* organic 'revolution' going in these border towns. Its basically like a retarded attempt to build an insurgency or something.
They're not sent in any real or armored number to do much of anything but harassing attacks and they all get fucking murdered, twice now. Like they barely get away without heavy losses and its not any sort of push to capture territory, nor its even a probing attack. There's no reason to disguise a Ukrainian unit as a 'Russian Freedom Unit' (As if that language hasn't been totally fucking perverted and isn't going to fool anyone but NAFO faggots and retarded libs on Twitter) unless you're looking to get like minded people to join you. It just seems like the sort of brain-dead Western policy that has been bought into, that Russia is on the brink of overthrowing Putin, so we can have our British equivalent of Green Berets train a bunch of soldiers (who won't act like drunken rapists upon capturing Russian towns, we swear) will fucking somehow get partisans.
Its so batshit stupid some NATO boomer faggot must have thought it was a good idea. How many conflicts do you have to misunderstand and lose before you get your superpower badge taken away? Holy god. Its such an idiotic waste of resources for nothing that its either trying to provoke Russia or its some retarded general's idea. You really cannot afford to be doing stupid shit like this when you're trying to make a counteroffensive. Maybe its a desperate play to buy time or force Russia to move, who knows. But good lord.
The problem with this is that Russia has 0 problems going "Sacrifice for the Motherland". It let its richest citizens choke to death on vomit rather than give up they had developed a Fentanyl-based knock-out gas and supply paramedics with Narcan. Russia is not a nation where you take hostages. Russia will shoot the hostages and then torture you to death for it.
The entire history of Russia has been sacrifice. So yeah, it would be a surprise, but if Russia reacts with a cool head, ties up Ukraine there (which would have to commit for the majority of the offensive) and then pivots into an offensive, it becomes a fist which it rams right up Ukraine's ass.
While yes, this relates to a NATO boomer not understanding Russian mentality and dealing with goat-herders, I don't know if that's a plan. Taking hostages to get shit is a losing prospect, and you're basically guaranteeing that any sympathies within the MoD and Russian people evaporate. It ceases to be a 'special military operation' at that point. And I do believe NATO and our leaders are that clinically retarded.
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This is most likely a joint British-US op, with connivance of that fat pig Nuland whose fat grubby kosher fingers are all over this clusterfuck.
If there is war ever a war crimes trial for this human garbage I hope they give us the satisfaction of this:
Nazi war criminals about to be executed in Kiev, 1946, and hopefully will be again in Kiev, 2046, inshallah
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Wait, if Russia is going to run out of ammunition in a week and can't conquer half of a country, 1/10 its size, right at its doorstep, in less than a year then how come Russia is any threat to Europe?
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Sky News:
Reasons (as per Sky News):
1. Spring Weather
2. Too much too good equipment that Ukraine doesn't know how to use
3. Inexperienced and untrained soldiers.
4. Offensive losses greater than defensive
5. Lack of Zelensky's Military experience
Ukraine war: Why hasn't the spring offensive started yet?
Reasons (as per Sky News):
1. Spring Weather
2. Too much too good equipment that Ukraine doesn't know how to use
3. Inexperienced and untrained soldiers.
4. Offensive losses greater than defensive
5. Lack of Zelensky's Military experience
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These attacks are basically just glorified raids. They're hyped up and couched in revolutionary rhetoric, the British/American handlers (and probably some involved Ukies) likely believe such nonsense, but in the end they're being done to distract.
Good measure of where this war is at though; any country relying heavily on small-scale actions like these to show success is not winning.
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This one is my favorite. We were assured that learning to operate an M1/Leopard is just like driving the family sedan.
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Why are you spreading Kremlin talking points?
Don't ask questions, just support the war, then get excited for next wars.
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