Russian Special Military Operation in the Ukraine - Mark IV: The Partitioning of Discussion

The dam may be bigger deal then most realize. Ive heard that the amount of explosives need to level it would be enormous.

If this was an op there's a good chance it was done underwater with a SADM, Special Atomic Demolition Munition. Basically a mini nuke that can go from 10 to 100 tons of power. Low amounts of radiation and VERY good at pinpoint destruction. An old Nato weapon developed in the 80's that was supposedly decommissioned....

Here's a very plausible theory on how they did it.
https://twitter.com/cirnosad/status/1666109897010987009

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Very very bad business. Word on the street is the brits did it.
lol

If a nuke went off, you'd know it.


More likely:
-UKR using their naval drones
-UKR sending a mine down the river
-UKR opening the dams upstream to overload the dam
-UKR doing some SOF shit
-Shitty Stalin-era dam failing due to lack of maintenance and shelling by UKR
 
Yeah, I've been starting to think NATO/Uncle Sam are planning on cutting their losses soon enough, though the arms funding is through 2024.
That funding is for Raytheon, Boeing, Lockheed Martin, etc. Ukraine doesn't have anything to do with it. That's just where the value of that funding gets blown up by a shell that's been sitting underground for 40 years and cost $9 when it was made.
 
That funding is for Raytheon, Boeing, Lockheed Martin, etc. Ukraine doesn't have anything to do with it. That's just where the value of that funding gets blown up by a shell that's been sitting underground for 40 years and cost $9 when it was made.
By this point they're sitting pretty for the foreseeable future. There's a lot more than 1 year of contracts for various companies to restock the AT4's, Javelins, Stingers, 155mm shells, so on and so forth to what we'd consider acceptable levels. And that's just pretty conventional arms we know the stockpiles of beforehand.
 
I could see the dam breaking due to wear and abuse but the way the west and the western media came out and blamed Russia for it within hours of the dam breaking, I have no doubt in my mind it was Ukraine that did this. Just look at the timeline, the Ukrainians throwaway a bunch of lives in Bakhmut and are driven out, they then try to attack the flanks which fails. Then we get the on/off bullshit with this mythical offensive, which results in "probing attacks' which are disastrous for Ukraine from a loss of life and a loss of a lot of tanks and vehicles for no gain. Then all of a sudden the dam breaks the day after these disastrous probes fail.
 
I could see the dam breaking due to wear and abuse but the way the west and the western media came out and blamed Russia for it within hours of the dam breaking, I have no doubt in my mind it was Ukraine that did this. Just look at the timeline, the Ukrainians throwaway a bunch of lives in Bakhmut and are driven out, they then try to attack the flanks which fails. Then we get the on/off bullshit with this mythical offensive, which results in "probing attacks' which are disastrous for Ukraine from a loss of life and a loss of a lot of tanks and vehicles for no gain. Then all of a sudden the dam breaks the day after these disastrous probes fail.
It's almost like they're emulating the Red Army when it blew the Dnipro Dam in 1941 to slow down the Reich,

Once again, khokhols prove they don't have an original thought in their heads and have to steal from Russia, even as they try to salt the earth.

Every. Single. Time. Tells you all you need to know about them.
 
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A few pages ago I questioned whether Ukraine would drop a nuke on its own territory to own the ruskies. At the time, it sounded very implausible. Now with the dam attack, the displaced civilians and possible damage to the downstream NPP, is it still out of the realm of possibility for Ukraine to drop a nuke on itself.

The main reason why they wouldn't is because they don't have a nuke and obtaining one would be sketchy. Could ukraine heavily shell an NPP to cause/hope to cause, a nuclear explosion?
 
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Shitty Stalin-era dam failing due to lack of maintenance and shelling by UKR
This is a very likely reason. RuAF retreated from Kherson last year. And Ukrainians gloat about it. Why they hasn't repaired it is beyond me. Also, salivating over another Chernobyl at Zaporozhskaya NPP is beyond stupid. It's suicidal
 
A few pages ago I questioned whether Ukraine would drop a nuke on its own territory to own the ruskies. At the time, it sounded very implausible. Now with the dam attack, the displaced civilians and possible damage to the downstream NPP, is it still out of the realm of possibility for Ukraine to drop a nuke on itself.

The main reason why they wouldn't is because they don't have a nuke and obtaining one would be sketchy. Could ukraine heavily shell an NPP to cause/hope to cause, a nuclear explosion?
I've seen a lot of Ukrainians floating the idea of reconciliation with Russia, online and personally (anecdotal, I know, but still unexpected). The problem is I believe the Ukraine has burned its bridges with Russia/Russians with stunts like this. A nuke would make the entire nation go ham, and a lot of others with it. It may not be Putin's red line, but its a red line for a lot of other folks.

Nothing short than the destruction of the Ukraine, and an unconditional surrender of the Kiev regime would satisfy the majority of the Russian people right now; a nuke would jump start WW3 and if no one has noticed, the US is in no condition to fight Russia, China and the other nations that would join them.
 
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This is a very likely reason. RuAF retreated from Kherson last year.
Its one of a few reasons, they were consolidating the lines at that time and the dam was a serious concern since it kept getting hit by missiles. This occurred right when Surovikin was placed in charge for a few months, this is when the Bakhmut meat grinder was initiated and the positions west of the Dnieper were viewed as an over extension that wasn't going anywhere for a year or more. The tightening of the lines ended up with Kharkov getting rolled in an uncontrolled manner since it was always the most lightly manned area of the front, Russia wanted to close out that area of the front but obviously in not such a shitty fashion.
 
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Situation on the front, morning of 7 June 2023: Kiev's offensyiv loses steam.
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Despite this, regime forces continue attempts to advance in South Donets and Zaporozhye sectors. The Russian Defense Ministry says that all attacks of Kiev’s forces have been repelled and the NATO-equipped formations suffered major losses in manpower and equipment.

In particular, the Defense Ministry reported that Russian forces have repelled attacks of the Kiev regime in South Donetsk direction. Clashes continue in Zaporozhye region with the main hot points near Nesteryanka, Kamenskoye and Novoandreevka.

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It's Southfront so clearly biased, but I think its an accurate representation of the state of Kiev's forces. Col Macgregor claimed yesterday the offenisyiv probing resulted in the loss of nearly 4k men (KIA/WIA), 54 tanks (including the woonderwaffe Leopards), 210 APCs, 134 trucks, several jet fighters and 2 helicopters vs 71 KIA/210 WIA for the RUAF, and Russian defensive lines remain intact.

edit: Col Douglas Macgregor's figures can be found here
 
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Tucker Carlson went in hard on Zelensky basically called him a rat.

"Of all the people in the world, our shifty, dead eyed Ukrainian friend in the track suit is uniquely incapable of blowing up a dam, he's literally a living saint, a man in whom there is no sin, that's why Lindsey Graham is so attracted to him. They are just two good people, hanging out together and being good, and like all good people, when they meet in person they spend a lot of time talking about killing people and laughing like friends do."

He then cuts to a vide of Zelensky and Graham talking about Russians dying and how it is the best money the US has ever spent....Fuck these pieces of scum.
 
So they are laying the groundwork to blame everything on Zelensky and make it seem like the hohols alone lost the war/increased tensions.
Zelensky was already fucked the moment he couldn't show any massive gains. This is a proxy war, none of this is being done for free or out of the goodness of anyone's heart. Zelensky is annoying because he constantly demands, demands and doesn't show a single thing worthwhile. They're already preparing the sacrifice. The CIA did not want to be there for this long, its lost a lot of resources and personnel and has consistently wanted to focus on China, because of the chip manufacturing and shit.

I wouldn't be shocked if the dam is the last-ditch effort to try and salvage SOMETHING for Ukraine, done by the Brits. The Americans are fucking retarded, I don't know if they're THIS retarded, but the Brits really need to stop thinking they're a world power anymore. Its getting fucking embarrassing. Its also a great way to turn a population Russian, since if your own government is willing to drown you to save face, not a good look.

In any event, blowing up infrastructure in this manner is not the move of a winning country, especially since this is very clearly a war crime, even if self-inflicted. Also praying for a Chernobyl is loltastic, as modern nuclear plants don't have that capability. The West's delusions in this war never cease to amaze.
 
Zelensky was already fucked the moment he couldn't show any massive gains. This is a proxy war, none of this is being done for free or out of the goodness of anyone's heart. Zelensky is annoying because he constantly demands, demands and doesn't show a single thing worthwhile. They're already preparing the sacrifice. The CIA did not want to be there for this long, its lost a lot of resources and personnel and has consistently wanted to focus on China, because of the chip manufacturing and shit.

I wouldn't be shocked if the dam is the last-ditch effort to try and salvage SOMETHING for Ukraine, done by the Brits. The Americans are fucking retarded, I don't know if they're THIS retarded, but the Brits really need to stop thinking they're a world power anymore. Its getting fucking embarrassing. Its also a great way to turn a population Russian, since if your own government is willing to drown you to save face, not a good look.

In any event, blowing up infrastructure in this manner is not the move of a winning country, especially since this is very clearly a war crime, even if self-inflicted. Also praying for a Chernobyl is loltastic, as modern nuclear plants don't have that capability. The West's delusions in this war never cease to amaze.
Cool it with the anti-semitism angloism.

Britain has been taken over by the WEF and WEF shills. The Brits do not agree with the war, want anything to do with the war and want to be left alone to moan about the weather.

All of this shit that's kicking off in the Ukraine, and us getting dragged into it is not an idea that is popular with the people. Most Brits see their pockets getting emptied and prices rising under the excuse of "the war in Ukraine" and the sentiment is "Why the fuck are we getting involved? It's nothing to do with us".
 
Bunch of western NAFO fags who came to Ukraine on safari have been sent to Bandera and are now fertilizing rich Ukrainian soil.


How it started:
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How it's going:
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NAFO losing their shit in comments. "We're the good guys, how come it happened to us?!"
because you fucked around and found out
 
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