You genuinely believe the nazis rounded up Jews solely because of their religion? No other factors?
No wonder why people say arguing on the internet is a worthless endeavor. People like you exist.
What's your argument? What are the other factors? Do you think every cobbler with a wife and kids rounded up was part of some Jewish cabal plotting the downfall of Germany? for every 1 evil Jew you throw into the camp 100s if not thousands of others were imprisoned as well. Are you willing to destroy the lives of so many for so few?
In addition this is a shitty argument. If Hitler was only removing evil people why were children included? Why were entire platoons of the SS bolstered by convicted felons promised full pardons for crimes ranging from rape to murder not sent to the camps?
The vast majority of people affected by being sent to the ghettos and concentration camps were normal people. If you want to be disingenuous and make the claim that they were all evil or plotting something that's on you. You'd fit right in with Nakam.
What's your argument? What are the other factors? Do you think every cobbler with a wife and kids rounded up was part of some Jewish cabal plotting the downfall of Germany? for every 1 evil Jew you throw into the camp 100s if not thousands of others were imprisoned as well. Are you willing to destroy the lives of so many for so few?
In addition this is a shitty argument. If Hitler was only removing evil people why were children included? Why were entire platoons of the SS bolstered by convicted felons promised full pardons for crimes ranging from rape to murder not sent to the camps?
The vast majority of people affected by being sent to the ghettos and concentration camps were normal people. If you want to be disingenuous and make the claim that they were all evil or plotting something that's on you. You'd fit right in with Nakam.
I'm not making any claim in support of Hitler, stop gnashing at me with those fangs of yours. One of the primary reasons for rounding up Jews was the fact that they supposedly did cause all of the evil in Germany, from brothels to banking. They were premier pornographers, they owned much of the riches of Germany as it was going to shit, et cetera. it wasn't just for their religion that they were thrown in camps. This is the thought process Hitler had.
The fact that you have such a reductionistic view of history is telling of your true nature.
This is completely different from the Jewish German situation in 1930s Germany. You had German citizens, with no other nation's roots, who had lived in Germany for generations being sent into ghettos and camps not because of an active war, but rather because of religious beliefs. There is no defensible point to make here. They are not enemies of the state, they are not potential combatants. They are your citizenry and you've smashed every right they have as a citizen
On the other hand, the US also planned to do the same with german citizens, but then they realized a fifth of their population was German in origin.
And let's not forget that there was a jewish revolution, both a failed and a succesful one changing the German government (and a succesful one in russia overthrowing the russian leadership).
Considering these facts the Germans arguably had more reason for their actions than the Americans did. In regards to internment that is.
And what would the american camps of japanese have looked like if their supply lines got bombed to smithereens?
Again this goes for american camps holding Japanese citizens. Before the 70s immigration waves, countries had no trouble doing such mass action because while you may be trampling on some civil liberties, you are also protecting your ciuntry because you don't know who would engage in subversive acts, and by interning them all you are interning the most likely group and bringing the jumber of subversives walking free close to zero.
its a fair enough to demand this, but do you think that is a REALISTIC request? do you think this should would survive? the soviets made hitler disappear completely, you think PAPERS would be preserved?
In the absence of this, we only have the written word of proven liars. It doesn't mean the holocaust didn't happen, it means what was written down was a fictional version to suit narratives and political goals.
@R00T to avoid double posting:
Think about how black people and their degenerate counterpart niggers are today in the US. Maybe 1/8th of the population are niggers, but to someone who has had to experience even a handful at their worst often hate all blacks period.
This is exactly how Germany felt, NOT just hitler and his party mind you, but a vast portion of the country. The jews were viewed at the ones responsible for the Wymar years, WWI, and drafting of the reparations for said war. For their political and religious leaders to attempt a communist revolution in Germany on top of all this was a final straw. "All of them gone, by 1st class if need be."
In the absence of this, we only have the written word of proven liars. It doesn't mean the holocaust didn't happen, it means what was written down was a fictional version to suit narratives and political goals.
The People's Revolution was a collective of people from all nationalities and backgrounds. were there jews? yes, but many of those jews did not have a religious upbringing and it's extremely easy to pick and choose to prove your point.
Example Stalin, arguably the worst of the Soviet Regime was raised by Georgian orthodox parents and even went to school to join the clergy. He dropped out before completion but it's one example.
Karl Marx's family had Jewish ancestry on both sides, but his family converted prior to his birth and he was not raised Jewish. Almost all of the jews involved in the Soviet Regime were no longer practicing and would've scoffed at using their religious identity. Under communism religious jews suffered just as much as religious Christians. The state religion was Communism and that meant there was no room for any ideology besides.
Go watch the political rallies and theatre that were recorded during the era with subtitles, hell read Hitler's book. The 'lies' came from the horses mouth and the stable cheered it on, all well documented and recorded.
Go watch the political rallies and theatre that were recorded during the era with subtitles, hell read Hitler's book. The 'lies' came from the horses mouth and the stable cheered it on, all well documented and recorded.
i know...thats how propeganda works. jews did this, jews did that, trump is evil, jan 6 was an insurrection, obama was born in hawaii, bin laden did nothing wrong, men can have periods, fetus' aren't people, you'll eat the bugs and like it, comrade.
I'm not talking religiously jews, I'm talking ethnically. And you know that's the topic, because you weren't complaining about german religious persecution but about ethnic. So you're either being disingenuous or you're very confused.
Almost all of the instigators / torchbearers were jewish. October revolution, november revolution. I don't think the revolutions were entirely without merit, but it shows that there was more basis for interring jews in eurasia than there was for interring japanese in the US.
I'm not making any claim in support of Hitler, stop gnashing at me with those fangs of yours. One of the primary reasons for rounding up Jews was the fact that they supposedly did cause all of the evil in Germany, from brothels to banking. They were premier pornographers, they owned much of the riches of Germany as it was going to shit, et cetera. it wasn't just for their religion that they were thrown in camps. This is the thought process Hitler had.
The fact that you have such a reductionistic view of history is telling of your true nature.
there's no true nature to talk about here. okay you want to round up the pornographers why are jews that weren't in that industry being sent to camps? why are rapists and murders getting the opportunity to serve in the military? not gnashing any teeth just pointing out the flaw of the statement that jews should've been rounded up. don't twist my words to make your argument easier when there's glaring flaws.
there's no true nature to talk about here. okay you want to round up the pornographers why are jews that weren't in that industry being sent to camps? why are rapists and murders getting the opportunity to serve in the military? not gnashing any teeth just pointing out the flaw of the statement that jews should've been rounded up. don't twist my words to make your argument easier when there's glaring flaws.
You're seeing an argument that isn't even there. I never said that Jews should have been rounded up, I said that Hitler wanted to round up Jews for reasons that lied beyond their beliefs.
Again, he viewed the Jews as an evil, backstabbing race. Their positions of power and influence were part of the reason he wanted them gone. Not hard to follow here, but you keep getting the wires crossed in your blind fury.
Yes the US government should not have sent all Japanese citizens to internment camps for no reason besides they're Japanese. It's a breach of personal freedom in a country that prides itself on it. While internment camps were not as bad as the concentration camps they were still not a good thing, and at the end of the day is there any evidence to support that they helped the war effort? What happened instead was that Japanese citizens were forced from their homes, and found that there were strangers living where they once did, their businesses flipped and essentially stolen out from under them. There's no recourse for this.
They did it though, the bastion of freedom and rights rounded up citizens and interned them because of the security risk they presented. Remember they did this after Japanese Americans helped Japanese pilots after bombing Pearl Harbor.
I'll take it one step further and even play devils advocate. Let's take a look at the Japanese internment and look at it as a practical necessity: Japanese immigrants came from another country, a country with it's own beliefs, ethics, government, military, and way of life. The argument could made that they were potential hazards and internment was the easiest way to do so. If you want to make that argument I can disagree from a humanitarian perspective but it's at least an organized and defensible position.
This is completely different from the Jewish German situation in 1930s Germany. You had German citizens, with no other nation's roots, who had lived in Germany for generations being sent into ghettos and camps not because of an active war, but rather because of religious beliefs. There is no defensible point to make here. They are not enemies of the state, they are not potential combatants. They are your citizenry and you've smashed every right they have as a citizen.
Jews were told to leave Germany after the jews declared economic war on Germany. Many of them did, the ones that didn't were put into prison camps. You are literally doing "Hitler came into power and tried to kill all the jews for literally zero reason". There's plenty of historical fact to look at that tells you the sequence of events if you look at it yourself. Mainstream media is ran by jews and communist sympathizers that muddy the waters so you stop seeing what happened.
So again, when Germany does it, its a hateful genocide and when the allies do it worse its just something they had to do.
Kamala does a wine bar putsch, deposes Biden, and begins the Harris Regime. A declaration is then made that white people are scum. They're evil and need to be addressed. It starts with white owned businesses being attacked, and when they defend themselves their property is revoked and they are sent to ghettos. They then begin to round up whites who have no agenda, pay their taxes, and are involved in their communities. Would you protest this? If whites decided to defend their property would you label them partisans and active combatants that should be targeted and destroyed? Should whites who relent and go to the ghettos be considered enemies of the state and active combatants?
We literally had the democratic party use ballot stuffing and electronic warfare to steal the 2020 election. Anyone who fought against it got ruined. In Georgia the governor spoke out against it and said he was investigating only to change his tune the next day when his daughter's boyfriend died in a "car accident".
I don't have to imagine a war on white people because it's happening every day. Why don't people stand up and fight? Because it's a death sentence. No one fights wars for themselves, they fight them for other people, for their friends, family, homes.
Kamala does a wine bar putsch, deposes Biden, and begins the Harris Regime. A declaration is then made that white people are scum. They're evil and need to be addressed. It starts with white owned businesses being attacked, and when they defend themselves their property is revoked and they are sent to ghettos. They then begin to round up whites who have no agenda, pay their taxes, and are involved in their communities. Would you protest this? If whites decided to defend their property would you label them partisans and active combatants that should be targeted and destroyed? Should whites who relent and go to the ghettos be considered enemies of the state and active combatants?
Bit of a repeat of @Bonesjones but I thought to broaden it a bit for european context as well.
Hundreds of christian churches burned in france every year and it only gets covered when it's the notre dame, and you get so see all the muslim cheering on social media.
Practically every western country meeting the conditions for genocide as set out as defined by the geneva convention.
News articles telling you replacement theory is a conspiracy theory and the same publication informing you how replacement is happening, as well as the UN having public documents where they explain how they're planning replacement migration. Again meeting all conditions for genocide as defined by the geneva convention.
And I'm sure you know what happens to people who do so little as just to talk about this publically.
What's your point? An attempt to win sympathy for an oppressed minority? Sympathy is irrelevant to the facts, which is what we should talk about.
The People's Revolution was a collective of people from all nationalities and backgrounds. were there jews? yes, but many of those jews did not have a religious upbringing and it's extremely easy to pick and choose to prove your point.
Example Stalin, arguably the worst of the Soviet Regime was raised by Georgian orthodox parents and even went to school to join the clergy. He dropped out before completion but it's one example.
Karl Marx's family had Jewish ancestry on both sides, but his family converted prior to his birth and he was not raised Jewish. Almost all of the jews involved in the Soviet Regime were no longer practicing and would've scoffed at using their religious identity. Under communism religious jews suffered just as much as religious Christians. The state religion was Communism and that meant there was no room for any ideology besides.
I think you're looking at it from a modern perspective, and though (I think) largely technically correct, you're not seeing it through contemporary German/Austrian eyes.
From the surviving speeches and writing of Hitler and his followers it's clear the religious aspect was secondary, it was laser focused on a competition of races in a Darwinian and spiritual struggle.
Communism is like the ideological equivalent to Heroin, it may be amazing at first but then it absolutely destroys people who were mired into it. National Socialism was made to counter that destructive ideology which thoroughly explains Mussolini dropping communism and Hitler later allying with Hirohito.
Hey guys this History Speaks person is just trying to make a living. You can't actually go on youtube and tell people Anne Franks Diary was a fake. Or that numbers of mass graves were actually attributed to typhus. Or that mysteriously everyone was fine with the Nazis up until 1938. But don't mention what the Nazis did in 1938.
He'd be banned instantly everywhere today. How's he supposed to grift?
"There is no picture, plan, or wartime document dealing with homocidal gas chambers, or a plan to exterminate the Jews. And we cannot use the excuse that the Nazis destroyed all of the evidence, because after we had broken the German code we were able to intercept their secret transmissions, including those that came from Auschwitz."
"The walls had a simple whitewashed plaster with no sealing coating. There was no provision for evaporating and distributing the gas. The losses of HCN due to the unusable space up to the roof, absorption in the wall, draft of the stove, and the leaks in the roof must have been tremendous, not to mention the danger for the immediate environment around this building when switching on the fans. (It is not known if the stove was fired up while the room was filled with HCN, which would have caused additional loss of HCN and could have caused a danger of explosion if Zyklon B granules were placed too close to the fire.)"
According to Jean-Claude Pressac, a French chemist, pharmacist, and published authority on Auschwitz, 95% of Zyklon B used in Auschwitz was used for non-homicidal intent. The book in which he mentions this is Auschwitz: Technique And Operation Of The Gas Chambers, which was printed in a vain attempt to refute Holocaust revisionists.
Dr. William B. Linsey, professional research chemist in his 1985 sworn court testimony. The Globe and Mail, Toronto, Feb. 12, 1986, p. M3.
"On physical-chemical grounds, the mass gassings with hydrogen cyanide (Zyklon B) in the supposed ‘gas chambers’ of Auschwitz claimed by witnesses did not take place."
-Captain Montgomery Schuyler, G2 Intelligence, American Expeditionary Forces in Siberia to Chief of Staff Colonel Barrows on June 9th, 1919
For those of you with brain tumors, the following quote is taken from Marxists.org:
"In the U.S.S.R. anti-semitism is punishable with the utmost severity of the law as a phenomenon deeply hostile to the Soviet system. Under U.S.S.R. law active anti-semites are liable to the death penalty."
"I have just been called to the phone and heard that Smolny Institute, Bolshevik Headquarters, has formally announced that a revolution similar to that in Russia has begun in Germany. The Bolshevik leaders here, most of whom are Jewsand 90 per cent of whom are returned exiles, care little for Russia or any other country but are internationalists and they are trying to start a world-wide social revolution. If such a revolution can get a foothold in Germany where the people are obsequious to those above them and domineering and tyrannical to those beneath them and where organization and system has obtained such a foothold as it never had in history before, I begin to fear for the institutions not only of England but of the Republic of France and the thought arises in my mind whether our own institutions are safe."
Russia From the American Embassy: April, 1916 - November, 1918 by David R. Francis, US Ambassador to Russia under the Czar, Provisional Government, and Soviet Union, Page 214
"Bolshevism is not Russian—it is essentially non-national; its leaders belong almost entirely to the race that lost its country and its nationhood long ago.
In April, 1918, the Bolshevist "Government," including 384 "Peoples' Commis-
saries," was represented by 2 negroes, 13 Russians, 15 Chinamen, 22 Armenians and Georgians, and more than 300 Jews. Of the last 264 had come to Russia from the United States during the "Revolution.""
Russia's Agony by Robert Wilton, Correspondent of The Times at Petrograd, Knight of Saint George, Preface page IX
Full list of all of the members of the Central Committee of the Bolshevik Party and heads of various ministries, as reported by Robert Wilton in 1920:
Central Committee
NAME
NATIONALITY
Bronstein (Trotsky)
Jew
Apfelbaum (Zinovief)
Jew
Lourie (Larine)
Jew
Ouritski
Jew
Volodarski
Jew
Rosenfeldt (Kamanef)
Jew
Smidovitch
Jew
Sverdlof (Yankel)
Jew
Nakhamkes (Steklof)
Jew
Ulyanov (Lenin)
Russian
Krylenko
Russian
Lounatcharski
Russian
Council of the People’s Commissars
MINISTRY
NAME
NATIONALITY
President
Ulyanov (Lenin)
Russian
Foreign Affairs
Tchitcherine
Russian
Nationalities
Djugashvili (Stalin)
Georgian
Agriculture
Protian
Armenian
Economic Council
Lourie (Larine)
Jew
Food
Schlichter
Jew
Army & Navy
Bronstein (Trotsky)
Jew
State Control
Lander
Jew
State Lands
Kauffman
Jew
Works
V. Schmidt
Jew
Social Relief
E. Lelina (Knigissen)
Jewess
Public Instruction
Lounatcharsky
Russian
Religions
Spitzberg
Jew
Interior
Apfelbaum (Zinovief)
Jew
Hygiene
Anvelt
Jew
Finance
Isidore Goukovski
Jew
Press
Volodarski
Jew
Elections
Ouritski
Jew
Justice
I. Steinberg
Jew
Refugees
Fenigstein
Jew
Refugees (assist.)
Savitch
Jew
Refugees (assist.)
Zaslovski
Jew
Central Executive Committee
NAME
NATIONALITY
Sverdlov (president)
Jew
Avanessof (sec.)
Armenian
Bruno
Lett
Babtchinski
Jew
Bukharin
Russian
Weinberg
Jew
Gailiss
Jew
Ganzburg
Jew
Danichevski
Jew
Starck
German
Sachs
Jew
Scheinmann
Jew
Erdling
Jew
Landauer
Jew
Linder
Jew
Wolach
Czech
Dimanstein
Jew
Encukidze
Georgian
Ermann
Jew
Joffe
Jew
Karkline
Jew
Knigissen
Jew
Rosenfeldt (Kamenef)
Jew
Apfelbaum (Zinovief)
Jew
Krylenko
Russian
KrassikofSachs
Jew
Kaprik
Jew
Kaoul
Lett
Ulyanov (lenin)
Russian
Latsis
Jew
Lander
Jew
Lounatcharski
Russian
Peterson
Lett
Peters
Lett
Roudzoutas
Jew
Rosine
Jew
Smidovitch
Jew
Stoutchka
Lett
Nakhamkes (Steklof)
Jew
Sosnovski
Jew
Skrytnik
Jew
Bronstein (Trotsky)
Jew
Teodorovitch
Jew
Terian
Armenian
Ouritski
Jew
Telechkine
Russian
Feldmann
Jew
Froumkine
Jew
Souriupa
Ukranian
Tchavtchevadze
Georgian
Scheikmann
Jew
Rosental
Jew
Achkinazi
Imeretian
Karakhane
Karaim (Jew)
Rose
Jew
Sobelson (Radek)
Jew
Sclichter
Jew
Schikolini
Jew
Chklianski
Jew
Levine (Pravdine)
Jew
Extraordinary Commission of Moscow
NAME
NATIONALITY
Dzerjinski (president)
Pole
Peters (vice-president)
Lett
Chklovski
Jew
Kheifiss
Jew
Zeistine
Jew
Razmirovitch
Jew
Kronberg
Jew
Khaikina
Jewess
Karlson
Lett
Schaumann
Jew
Leontovitch
Jew
Jacob Goldine
Jew
Glaperstein
Jew
Kniggisen
Jew
Latzis
Lett
Schillenkuss
Jew
Janson
Lett
Rivkine
Jew
Antonof
Russian
Delafabre
Jew
Tsitkine
Jew
Roskirovitch
Jew
G. Sverdlof
Jew
Biesenski
Jew
Blioumkine
Jew
Alexandrevitch
Russian
I. Model
Jew
Routenberg
Jew
Pines
Jew
Sachs
Jew
Daybol
Lett
Saissoune
Armenian
Deylkenen
Lett
Liebert
Jew
Vogel
German
Zakiss
Lett
Source: Les Derniers Jours des Romanofs, Robert Wilton (these tables are stricken from the English translation, you must translate from the original French version).
Need a second opinion? Here's what Martin Luther thought:
"For if a Jew were not so precious and noble, how would it be possible for him to despise all Christians with their Messiah and his mother so thoroughly, to vilify them with such malicious and poisonous lies? If these fine, pure, smart saints would only concede us the qualities of geese or ducks, since they refuse to let us pass for human beings! For the stupidity which they ascribe to us I could not assign to any sow, which, as we know, covers itself with mire from head to foot and does not eat anything much cleaner. Alas, it cannot be anything but the terrible wrath of God which permits anyone to sink into such abysmal, devilish, hellish, insane baseness, and arrogance. If I were to avenge myself on the devil himself I should be unable to wish him such evil and misfortune as God's wrath inflicts on the Jews, compelling them to lie and to blaspheme so monstrously, in violation of their own conscience. Anyway, they have their reward for constantly giving God the lie."
Using the above factual evidence of Judeo-Bolshevism, we can dismiss any Soviet provided evidence of the Holocaust, including the following alleged crimes and details presented at the Nuremberg Trials:
Gas chambers at Auschwitz (according to the Auschwitz museum, the Soviet Union "reconstructed" the gas chambers, and they are not original)
The Auschwitz gas chamber doors (the metal doors are not present on the current building, they are missing)
Steam chambers at Treblinka
Electro-chambers
Katyn Massacre (Soviet responsibility now accepted as factual)
Shrunken heads
Human skin lampshades
20,000 Jews assembled in a makeshift village, killed with an atomic bomb.......somehow? (IMT blue series, Vol. 16, p. 529-530. (June 21, 1946).)
Human soap
I ask anyone who does not believe me to revisit their history texbooks from their childhood and college years, and find the chapters where it mentions the Nuremberg trials. Is it ever mentioned that decades after they had concluded, several of the charges and details listed above were determined to be without merit?
Regarding Judeo-Bolshevik involvement in the Holocaust narrative, if you do not accept that ideological and ethnoreligious conflict of interest is present, you are not being objective nor scientific in this discussion, but I will give you an additional factor working against any Soviet testimony to attempt to convince you again, as provided by David Cole (once again, a Jew) in his production listed at the top of this post:
The Soviet Union reported that at Auschwitz alone, 4 million Jews (a number which has been revised down to 1.1 million by modern historians) had been killed, a number endorsed by the entire Warsaw Pact until the fall of Communism in Europe. This 4 million number is a 363.6% increase from the currently accepted statistic. Given the Soviets would lie so greatly about this number, can you accept any Soviet testimony, evidence, charge, or accusation without further evidence?
Funny Jewish Stories Section:
>DA GOYZ ZAPPED ME WIT DA ATOM
MR. JUSTICE JACKSON: Now, I have certain information,
which was placed in my hands, of an experiment which was carried
out near Auschwitz and I would Like to ask you if you heard about
it or knew about it. The purpose of the experiment was to find a
quick and complete way of destroying people without the delay and
trouble of shooting and gassing and burning, as it had been carried
out, and this is the experiment, as I am advised. A village, a small
village was provisionally erected, with temporary structures, and in
it approximately 20,000 Jews were put. By means of this newly
invented weapon of destruction, these 20,000 people were eradicated
almost instantaneously, and in such a way that there was no trace left of them; that it developed, the explosive developed, temperatures
of from 400° to 500° centigrade and destroyed them without leaving
any trace at all.
IMT blue series, Vol. 16, p. 529-530. (June 21, 1946).
>DA GOYZ MADE A DEATH BICYCLE
"In this small room there was a slot in the wall, approximately 50 centimeters in length. The prisoner of war stood with the back of his head against the slot and a sniper shot at him from behind the slot. In practice this arrangement
did not prove satisfactory, since the sniper often missed the prisoner. After 8 days a new arrangement was made. The prisoner, as before, was placed against the wall; a n ironplate was then slowly lowered onto his head. The prisoner was under the, impression that he was being measured for height. The iron plate contained a ramrod which shot out suddenly and poleaxed the prisoner with a blow on the back of the head. He dropped dead. The iron plate was operated by a foot lever in a corner of the room. The personnel working in the room belonged to the above-mentioned Sonderkommando.
The People's Revolution was a collective of people from all nationalities and backgrounds. were there jews? yes, but many of those jews did not have a religious upbringing and it's extremely easy to pick and choose to prove your point.
Example Stalin, arguably the worst of the Soviet Regime was raised by Georgian orthodox parents and even went to school to join the clergy. He dropped out before completion but it's one example.
Karl Marx's family had Jewish ancestry on both sides, but his family converted prior to his birth and he was not raised Jewish. Almost all of the jews involved in the Soviet Regime were no longer practicing and would've scoffed at using their religious identity. Under communism religious jews suffered just as much as religious Christians. The state religion was Communism and that meant there was no room for any ideology besides.
Q: OKAY FINE BUT WHY DID THE CAMPS EXIST IN THE FIRST PLACE IF NOT GENOCIDE? A: It's difficult to deport 6,000,000+ people when you're at war with the whole planet.
