Russian Special Military Operation in the Ukraine - Mark IV: The Partitioning of Discussion

Sigh. Printing press go brrrrrrrrrrrrrrr...........as long as the dollarydo retains its status as the world's reserve currency, I guess.

Biden Administration Announces Additional Security Assistance for Ukraine
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Even if those tank drivers where compete retards
Anyone else remember when a few months ago some Ukrainians managed to de-lid a Leopard in training and knock the turret off? I don't even know why we're surprised this offensive is going how its going at this point.

From what I understand (according to news/TG) they have a lot more reserves on or near the contact line so more likely than not they will muster and manage to punch through at some point to give the Russian defenders a bloody nose for a bit but its still very funny watching them retardedly run around like headless chickens and get blown up at this initial stage,
 
From what I understand (according to news/TG) they have a lot more reserves on or near the contact line so more likely than not they will muster and manage to punch through at some point to give the Russian defenders a bloody nose for a bit but its still very funny watching them retardedly run around like headless chickens and get blown up at this initial stage,
Once the poor kholhols realize the Bradleys and Leopards aren't returning back to their lines, I see refusals to fight.
 
I have not seen a single person tried to argue this beyond "Well, Russia is evil after all"
Here's a list from another site.

1) Russia has lied about everything
2) They have threatened to blow dams before
3) They admit to planning to blow up more dams
4) Destroying energy plants (i.e. civilian infrastructure) is their main focus
5) Ukrainians said they mined the dam
6) Russians admit they mined the dam
7) They have already blown up part of the dam previously
8) Will not release camera evidence
9) Will not allow an outside investigation
10) Will not do an internal investigation
11) They argue blowing the dam has helped them
12) They brag about their history of blowing dams
13) Russia raised level to max before blowing dam
14) They are not allowing civilians to evacuate area
15) They are not helping save civilian lives
16) They are firing on civilians trying to help
17) They are claiming the situation is not that bad (for affected civilians)
18) (Ukrainian) HIMARS are not capable of destroying the dam (despite Russia's claims)
19) Ukraine would not do this before their upcoming counter-offence (there is no advantage to Ukraine)


Like wtf?
 
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From what I understand (according to news/TG) they have a lot more reserves on or near the contact line so more likely than not they will muster and manage to punch through at some point to give the Russian defenders a bloody nose for a bit but its still very funny watching them retardedly run around like headless chickens and get blown up at this initial stage,
I fell like that would require a level of tactical prowness they are not currently demonstrating.
Ukraine has lost. but they are unable to surrender.
 
This war is so comical, it almost seems fake

Excuse me, this bona fide and totally credible "Wagner Expert" the Wall Street Journal found yesterday disagrees.

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Also she's a mystery meat 51% mutt golem so you have to listen and believe. or something like that, or else you're a murdering rape enjoyer Kremlin thief like the Wagnerites.
Dios mio........
 
Here's a list from another site.




Like wtf?
I guess if premise one in your syllogism is "they're evil liars who did it" you've created a steel trap of logic from which nothing may escape.

I'm happy for Russia that they've steeled their men, built defensive lines, stockpiled ammunition, and denied their opponent the same logistical success, and ground at their morale. Truly horrifying to imagine being a Russian speaking Ukrainian, they seem like they're basically using the Russians to genocide their less pidgin speaking inclined countrymen. Hopefully those nuts don't get the ZNPP.
 
Reddit copium lmao
Why is the Ukraine fucking up all the shiny toys we gave them? Why, it's because of the USSR!

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Who blame next: Khrushchev's dog.
goes to show none of these people actually care about ukraine or ukrainians. Who taught the ukies? Oh right ,NATO staff. But nooo its never NATO's fault, its those subhu...... backwa..... uhhhh USSR mindset ukrainians....
 
There was some USSR doctrine about rolling your tanks in the open all bunched up?
According to this old US Army Training video, the Soviet doctrine (as far as we understood it) focused on "speed, maneuverability, and continuous operations." (YouTube link)
But I don't think their massed attacks ever called for clown car-style bunching up. More importantly, those attacks would've been accompanied with air and artillery support - something that seems to be extremely lacking on the Ukrainian side in these videos, but which the Russians are exploiting to the fullest. It's tearing up the Ukrainians so badly that they don't even get a chance to experience "The Meeting Engagement."

One other thing occurred to me: Russia is apparently wreaking havoc on the Ukrainians offensive columns with air strikes. Yet we donated a large number of mobile anti-air platforms to Ukraine, including the Avenger, Gepard, and Croatale, plus the Ukrainians own inventory of Soviet-era self-propelled anti-air systems. And yet none of these appear to be accompanying these offensive groups. This is not only contrary to common sense (given the Russian air advantage) but also the same Soviet-era doctrines that the idiots are blaming for the counter-offensive's stalling out.
 
One other thing occurred to me: Russia is apparently wreaking havoc on the Ukrainians offensive columns with air strikes. Yet we donated a large number of mobile anti-air platforms to Ukraine, including the Avenger, Gepard, and Croatale, plus the Ukrainians own inventory of Soviet-era self-propelled anti-air systems. And yet none of these appear to be accompanying these offensive groups. This is not only contrary to common sense (given the Russian air advantage) but also the same Soviet-era doctrines that the idiots are blaming for the counter-offensive's stalling out.
One would come to the conclusion that all of those systems are nonfunctional.
 
Times like these is when I start wondering if I should just stop participating in this bullshit economy and live in the woods. If Europe wants to stop Russia, then they should pay for it, not us.
that would leave a hole for china to fill sadly. we're so focused on china and russia we're not dealing with ISIS in the me and afrika.

One would come to the conclusion that all of those systems are nonfunctional.
they're holding them for kiev defense for whenever the ruskies march toward kiev.
 
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But I don't think their massed attacks ever called for clown car-style bunching up.
Soviets? nope. I mean zerg rush moments were happening but it wasn't a thing with armor, just living force.

Hohols must've took the inspiration from our guys' early actions in this war. ie, columns of vehicles and aromor moving so conviniently close to each other as if about to have an intercourse between all of them tanks, IFVs and shit.

Boy do they have a cold shower now...
 
I think people are over looking the fact Ukraine lost a lot of vehicles in that recent attack, while the Leopards and Bradleys are the most stand out examples, I saw images of mass amounts of T-72s and T-64s alongside plenty of BMPs knocked out in the same area.
I see people online saying things like, "unless you're completely brainwashed by Russian propaganda, it's obvious that Russia blew up the dam." Then long discussions about how this makes sense with other people.
While it might be slightly off topic, in my limited discussions with people off this site about Ukraine, the people who champion Ukraine never prove anything, they just state and state and reaffirm themselves to try and drown out dissenting voices. There was a time where i would write one message and it would spawn 20+ replies forming my entire argument for me so they could shut it down. it was fucking wild.
 
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