War Thousands of subreddits pledge to go dark after the Reddit CEO’s recent remarks - Fallout from the unpopular API pricing change and disastrous AMA with CEO Steve Huffman is turning out the lights on some of Reddit’s most prominent communities.


The version of Reddit we’ll see over the next few days may be a shell of itself. More than 100 subreddits have already gone dark, and thousands more plan to follow in protest of Reddit’s coming API changes, according to the website Reddark, which is tracking the protests.

The protests are happening over API changes that will force many third-party apps, like Apollo and rif is fun for Reddit, to shut down. Frustration was already brewing in the community as developers began reacting to the changes this week, but Reddit CEO Steve Huffman’s responses in recent days have only escalated the community’s pushback.

In a Reddit AMA on Friday, Huffman was met with seemingly universal anger. There were a lot of f-bombs from commenters. A lot of people called him a coward. If there are positive comments, I didn’t find them.

Subreddit moderators and third-party Reddit app developers say they’ve lost trust in Huffman and Reddit’s leadership. Apollo developer Christian Selig accused Huffman of “blatantly lying” in a phone call to some subreddit moderators. The moderators of r/videos wrote that Huffman’s AMA performance was “a collage of inappropriate responses.” r/funny suggested the company was “aim[ing] solely at your looming IPO.”

Most of the subreddits have pledged to go private — preventing outside access — for 48 hours, though some, like the 26 million-member community r/videos, have said they’ll remain private indefinitely. According to this post on r/ModCoord, protests will end when Reddit addresses issues with the API, improves accessibility for blind people, and creates “parity in access to NSFW content.”

Among the complaints are how Reddit’s leadership has, or mostly hasn’t, communicated the details of changes to its API pricing or incoming restrictions, including prohibiting third-party apps from showing NSFW content that’s already viewable on the site. ReddPlanet developer Tony Lupeski said it was a “blatant lie” that Reddit leadership was keeping dialogue open with impacted third-party developers, as Huffman wrote.

“That’s not an answer and you know it,” said user Anacharsis to the same Huffman reply.

When moderator Merari01 asked why the site hadn’t tested the new changes with users and moderators, Huffman said the company “started sharing this information in April.” A few responses pointed out the earlier announcement didn’t include any pricing information and left out details like the ban on third-party apps showing NSFW content.

One user pointed to a post on r/AskHistorians listing times Reddit had reneged on promises.

Since the AMA, some subreddits have escalated their response. Over at r/iPhone, the moderators posted early morning that their original plan was to go dark for just 48 hours, but Huffman’s behavior changed their minds:

Originally, the protest was planned to be 48 hours. However, after a shambolic AMA held by Reddit’s CEO, it has become clear to us that Reddit doesn’t intend to act in good faith. When the CEO is willing to lie and spread libellous claims about another third-party developer, and then try double down by vilifying them, again, in an AMA, despite being proven as a liar by the developer through audio recordings, that’s when we knew what we were up against.

Now /iPhone will be going private, severely restricting access to the sub. As will r/Music, a default subscription for new accounts and one of the largest subreddits on the site. Mods of that community put it right in the title of the post announcing its participation, which says it will close starting June 12th “Until Reddit Takes Back Their API Policy Change.”

r/iPhone, which has 3.8 million users, echoed r/Music’s sentiment, saying, “in the (somewhat unlikely) scenario that Reddit’s leadership has a change of direction that sees the reversal [of] the recent API policy change, we will reopen the subreddit.” r/Gaming says its shutdown will begin on the 12th, and it will be set to private “for 48 hours or longer.”

At the time of publishing, a pinned bot post on the r/ModCoord sub’s post about the protest says nearly 4,500 communities are pledging to go dark, while Reddark, a site tracking the protesting subreddits, says over 200 already have.

Correction June 11th, 2023, 8:47AM EST: A previous version of this headline said thousands of subreddits had gone dark. That is inaccurate, they are currently planning to go dark. r/videos also has not yet gone private, as previously stated. Lastly, a mention of r/History should have read r/AskHistorians. We sincerely regret the error.
 
It's very stupid to have a protest with an end date. You're basically telling the people you're protesting that they just have to wait a bit and it will be over. That's what makes this whole thing cringe for me. They act like they're doing something brave when really they're just disrupting the site for 2 days.
 
They act like they're doing something brave when really they're just disrupting the site for 2 days.
48 hours is like two work weeks for Doreen!

They could literally private them forever (like r/videos is planning to do), and it would not change a thing for anyone with an account. There would be zero changes for anyone involved who can complain.
I guess getting new kids to groom may be harder..
 
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Yea
The protest is about limiting API access which primarily affects powermods who use automated tools to moderate large communities. They waited to try this "protest" until after they already fucked over the API availability for pushshift which let users check unddit/reveddit to see comments the power jannies removed.

Apparently keeping their oversized egos in check wasn't protest worthy but their precious 3rd party mass tagging and summary tools are clearly vital to everyone.

Jannies also didn't protest when the donald was fucked over despite breaking no rules and didn't protest when spez literally edited user comments from his admin account to make them look bad.

They give 0 shit about anything other than themselves, this protest is entirely self serving.
I wonder how the normies. The ones that might check they're hobby or mmo sub once a day for news will react to being dragooned into somebody elses crusade? This API fight has nothing to do with the average or even the most brain damaged redit user. This is just the TrannyJannies throwing a fit.
 
It's very stupid to have a protest with an end date. You're basically telling the people you're protesting that they just have to wait a bit and it will be over. That's what makes this whole thing cringe for me. They act like they're doing something brave when really they're just disrupting the site for 2 days.
it's the same with boycotts that last only a day or two. okay, so you don't buy from a company on saturday or sunday so then you rush off on monday morning to buy all the things you were going to anyway? worthless
 
I'm blown away that Reddit hasn't responded with:

1. Flipping all private pages to public

2. Stripping all mods/admins of power that went dark

3. Setting up polls to vote for new mods/admins

It's kinda unreal just how much the average reddit user has deluded themselves into thinking they have that much power.

Reddit just fired a lot of their permanent staff that would community manage and do things like this. You can argue with whether they are bloated and don't need those people, but the remaining ones only work 9-5, Monday through Friday exception holidays (and possibly pride month) so you shouldn't be surprised they haven't already responded when they just started work this week. They have admitted not to using reddit mobile themselves so they won't do anything while they aren't already at work.
 
Either reddit gives into the jannies and lose money, or they don't and cause massive seethe, maybe even killing reddit. Either way I love it. Get fucked reddit.
If people are forced to use reddit's utterly shitty and broken client and what they're used to goes away, they'll leave not because they're buttmad but because the "user experience," such as it is, has turned to utter shit. Doing something similar supposedly "to make money" is what killed digg.

I'd love to see them go down in flames because they got greedy and tried to milk a lead weight. Remember that study that redditors were the most worthless (monetarily) users of any social media?
 
If people are forced to use reddit's utterly shitty and broken client and what they're used to goes away, they'll leave not because they're buttmad but because the "user experience," such as it is, has turned to utter shit. Doing something similar supposedly "to make money" is what killed digg.

I'd love to see them go down in flames because they got greedy and tried to milk a lead weight. Remember that study that redditors were the most worthless (monetarily) users of any social media?
If they changed the way you have to log into reddit to eating a handful of shit then it still wouldn't go under. The Hecking redditarinos will just cope and spin the fact you don't have to east two handfuls as a victory.
 
So I took a peek at the AMA
https://www.reddit.com/r/reddit/com...e_community_about_changes_to_our_api/?sort=qa

  • Free Data API
    • Effective July 1, 2023, the rate limits to use the Data API free of charge are:
      • 100 queries per minute per OAuth client id if you are using OAuth authentication and 10 queries per minute if you are not using OAuth authentication.
      • Today, over 90% of apps fall into this category and can continue to access the Data API for free.

Mod Tools We know many communities rely on tools like RES, ContextMod, Toolbox, etc., and these tools will continue to have free access to the Data API. We’re working together with Pushshift to restore access for verified moderators. Mod Bots If you’re creating free bots that help moderators and users (e.g. haikubot, setlistbot, etc), please continue to do so. You can contact us here if you have a bot that requires access to the Data API above the free limits. Developer Platform is a new platform designed to let users and developers expand the Reddit experience by providing powerful features for building moderation tools, creative tools, games, and more. We are currently in a closed beta with hundreds of developers (sign up here). For those of you who have been around a while, it is the spiritual successor to both the API and Custom CSS.

Tl;dr: this whole protest is becausea few power users got their panties in a twist. Most users can use third party apps for free, maybe with a rate limit so they have to wait 30 seconds between posts or something. Mods can still mod, but if they are dictating exactly what is allowed for multiple subreddits they will need to pay
 
It's very stupid to have a protest with an end date. You're basically telling the people you're protesting that they just have to wait a bit and it will be over. That's what makes this whole thing cringe for me. They act like they're doing something brave when really they're just disrupting the site for 2 days.
If they threatened to shut off permanently the admins would just take over and oust them. The jannies are fully aware of this and are unwilling to risk losing their 'jobs'.
 
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Reddit could survive perfectly well if it was a normal size company with like 50-100 employees, modest infrastructure, and no delusions of being a big player. The problem is that reddit has essentially sold its soul to vulture capitalists from the valley who want their 10x exit, which means an increasingly retarded stream of ideas to squeeze money out of a company that, under normal circumstances, would make alright money but never FAGMAN money.

However, I don't think they can square this circle - if they back off, reddit will continue to be unprofitable. If they continue squeezing, users will leave the site en masse and the unpaid content generation and moderation (which is the only way for the site to be profitable) will disappear.

Either way, both redditors and lizard people get fucked so all is right with the universe. And maybe it'll spur more interest in bringing back smaller forums and communities.
 
If they threatened to shut off permanently the admins would just take over and oust them. The jannies are fully aware of this and are unwilling to risk losing their 'jobs'.
They should actually make them pay to be jannies. At doing it for free, they're being massively overpaid.
 
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