However, considering two attacks pretty far apart on the same line within a day, it does seem like the Ukie partisans are specifically targeting it. Which seems like a good idea. The only other rail they can use to bring gear from the motherland comes from the east and the Donbas, which also runs about 35km from the front now.
There was even the derailing that happened in Belgorod, too. I feel like a general "Fuck up their trains" order went out over any La Resistance channels.
Maybe this is optimistic cucked Westerner thinking but like... you couldn't round them up and put them on a labor detail? You gotta deplete your own forces permanently?
I guess the deterrent to retreating should be an absolute certainty of death so they are willing to gamble by staying and fighting but... damn.
(Well, you know, maybe not fine infantry but infantry nonetheless)
The Japan Finance Corporation wrote in the law that it would give consideration to lending funds for the purpose of promoting the production and export of equipment.
I don't know if those are actually barrier troops, but I can understand why mobiks would be extremely demoralized. Wagner's prison recruits got an official pardon after 6 months and were able to return home, but some of the mobilized men have been on the front since late September, which means that they, despite being good citizens — at least by Russian standards — have been there longer than thieves, rapists and killers. As far as I know, there is no official end date for the mobilization, since releasing soldiers would require additional mobilization, which the Kremlin seems unwilling to do. The best case scenario for those guys is that their almost 9 months have just been boring on the relatively quiet southern front.
I don't know if those are actually barrier troops, but I can understand why mobiks would be extremely demoralized. Wagner's prison recruits got an official pardon after 6 months and were able to return home, but some of the mobilized men have been on the front since late September, which means that they, despite being good citizens — at least by Russian standards — have been there longer than thieves, rapists and killers. As far as I know, there is no official end date for the mobilization, since releasing soldiers would require additional mobilization, which the Kremlin seems unwilling to do. The best case scenario for those guys is that their almost 9 months have just been boring on the relatively quiet southern front.
Mobilization? What mobilization, comrade? I have been informed by only the most reputable telegram channels that there hasn't been any mobilization, just a limited call-up for some groups of reservists - who are properly trained and equipped before being sent to the front where and most certainly zero of them are butt raped by Chechans. Anything else is hohol nazi propaganda. What reason would stronk mother russia have for mobilizing? Why do you think Russia is worried about leopards and bradleys being that twice the number NATO has sent over have been exploded into scrap? Do you think there are insufficient Russian men willing to fight for the Rodina?
Why do you spread these outright lies?
Maybe this is optimistic cucked Westerner thinking but like... you couldn't round them up and put them on a labor detail? You gotta deplete your own forces permanently?
I guess the deterrent to retreating should be an absolute certainty of death so they are willing to gamble by staying and fighting but... damn.
(Well, you know, maybe not fine infantry but infantry nonetheless)
Firstly, they are just shooting Russians; it'd be another thing if they were executing people.
Second, when you're Russia... if they could make sure every moblik fights till the end it'd make this very hard on Ukraine.
Third, we are looking at about 40 seconds of massacre, no idea what happened before or after. Its possible there have been Ukrainian infiltration attacks, maybe its two units who didn't like each other. Maybe the guys doing the shooting ARE Ukrainian infiltrators shooting Russians who are on their way to positions.
So while its completely believable, I'm not putting too much weight on what we see in that video being barrier troops shooting retreating soldiers unless we start seeing more to back it up.
Troop moral is super important. Way more then most generals assume. You could have the best plan ever and the best equipment ever. But if your grunts aren't willing to carry out your orders and use the shit they've been given its all meaningless. Its too soon to say if the Russian Army is actually at the stage the Iraqi Army was in the Second Gulf War. Personally I seriously doubt its as bad as being made out in the press. But you never know.
Heavy fighting all yesterday (June 12) went on almost along the entire line of military contact of the Vostok grouping, especially on the so-called. Vremevsky ledge. The situation is difficult in the defense zone of the 60th and 37th motorized rifle brigades.
As a result of an enemy missile attack, Major General Sergei Goryachev, Chief of Staff of the 35th Combined Arms Army, was killed.
A Russian SAM Tor gets directly hit, taking nearly all of its crew with it, leaving one sole survivor raging worse than his countrymen on a CS:GO server:
People keep forgetting this, but MORALE MATTERS. Most of Russia's army at this point are demoralized conscripts WHO DON'T WANT TO BE THERE, don't know what their fighting for, and aren't properly trained or equipped. Troops with high morale will fight in the most dogshit of conditions. Troops with low morale will run at the first sign of trouble.
This is HUGE. The Japanese have banned military exports since the Cold War. They have a metric fuckton of older equipment in their stock, since they are modernizing their forces, and its just been sitting there because they refuse to export it. I know where all that stock is going now.
Heavy fighting all yesterday (June 12) went on almost along the entire line of military contact of the Vostok grouping, especially on the so-called. Vremevsky ledge. The situation is difficult in the defense zone of the 60th and 37th motorized rifle brigades.
As a result of an enemy missile attack, Major General Sergei Goryachev, Chief of Staff of the 35th Combined Arms Army, was killed.
How many generals is this now? I know we had a running count of dead generals in the predecessor thread to this one, but I know it was in the double digits.
I don't think they're hurting for rolling stock since, as you said, Russian logistics is primarily rail. Still, any disruption to Russian supply is a good thing.
They can't even supply through sea routes due to Poseidon missiles, drones and proximity of Ukraine army, Crimean boys are going to be starving for food, ammo and replacement mobiks.
Russia has been too busy being corrupt, broke and stuck in 60s infrastructure.
On a side note I'm surprised that Kersch bridge is still standing. HIMARS, GLSDB, Storm shadow or jolly partisans with explosives aiming at the foundations instead of the road itself.
I wouldn't be shit as a front-line soldier, but I would more than anything love to have the $$$ to buy my own drone and operator's trailer right about now.
I don't think they're hurting for rolling stock since, as you said, Russian logistics is primarily rail. Still, any disruption to Russian supply is a good thing.
On a strategic scale no, but locally its a concern since Melitopol has to be acting as a supply base. And having a supply base's rail yards clogged with locomotives that are under repair is suboptimal. Especially since Ukraine has to be targeting the rail system explicitly for obvious reasons.
Heavy fighting all yesterday (June 12) went on almost along the entire line of military contact of the Vostok grouping, especially on the so-called. Vremevsky ledge. The situation is difficult in the defense zone of the 60th and 37th motorized rifle brigades.
As a result of an enemy missile attack, Major General Sergei Goryachev, Chief of Staff of the 35th Combined Arms Army, was killed.
I don't know a whole lot about Goryachev, but looks like he was in charge of Russia's presence in Tajikistan before going to Ukraine. Doesn't sound like a particularly great officer, but the only evidence of incompetence is he couldn't prevent his redeployment from Tajikistan. I'd feel a lot better if this had been someone competent Blood & Gutski or whoever is running Wagner for Chef. Each time this happens I keep getting worried that the guy who got off'd will be replaced by someone competent and make trouble for Ukraine, but I should probably just keep in mind that the replacement is going to be pulled from the Russian Officers Corps and I don't need to worry about it.
also, while hilarious that General is back on the menu, Soviet military hierarchy is extremely officer heavy. they have Majors who do jobs that 2nd Lts would farm out to NCOs or the E4 Mafia. This is probably just an inconvenience at most.
People keep forgetting this, but MORALE MATTERS. Most of Russia's army at this point are demoralized conscripts WHO DON'T WANT TO BE THERE, don't know what their fighting for, and aren't properly trained or equipped. Troops with high morale will fight in the most dogshit of conditions. Troops with low morale will run at the first sign of trouble.
What are you talking about comrade? Russian military has better than morale, they have Smedvka. Now each of you have been provided have grenade, 5 gallon jerry can of diesel (4 gallons of that is water; that diesel was sold for dacha fund), and the best wishes of Glorious President Putin, go take out those tanks.
And I remember so many generals were getting got in the early stages of the invasion I thought for certain the SMO was Putin doing a housecleaning.
They can't even supply through sea routes due to Poseidon missiles, drones and proximity of Ukraine army, Crimean boys are going to be starving for food, ammo and replacement mobiks.
Russia has been too busy being corrupt, broke and stuck in 60s infrastructure.
On a side note I'm surprised that Kersch bridge is still standing. HIMARS, GLSDB, Storm shadow or jolly partisans with explosives aiming at the foundations instead of the road itself.
They could supply on the south-east part of Crimea the issue there is lack of facilities; That's why the assault landing ships are big, as they don't need a harbor and could drop fully loaded supply trucks nearly as easily as tanks, and also supposedly why all the fuel storage was going boom a few months ago - to limit the fuel supply and thus their ability to operate.
Even Svestopol is supposed to be feasible for unloading cargo with beefed up airdefense during operations, just not the basing of ships. Its also risky and Russia doesn't seem desperate enough to risk their shipping.
My assumption is the Kersch bridge is still standing so Russia can use it for civilian supplies, and possibly so their troops can retreat over it if Melitopol gets taken or threatened. I would have at least tried to disable it to prevent its use for incoming supply, even if temporarily, but I'll have to assume minds greater than mine have a plan.
Heavy fighting all yesterday (June 12) went on almost along the entire line of military contact of the Vostok grouping, especially on the so-called. Vremevsky ledge. The situation is difficult in the defense zone of the 60th and 37th motorized rifle brigades.
As a result of an enemy missile attack, Major General Sergei Goryachev, Chief of Staff of the 35th Combined Arms Army, was killed.
This is an interesting data point on their targeting intel and target prioritization. Obviously they either had a bead on a command post or a personality. It'll be interesting in the future to see how they were procuring that intel, through technological or human sources.
Also a bit of insight into how close to the front these Russian command elements are. Obviously the Russians are taking this counteroffensive seriously. Forward deployed generals usually helps with command and control and morale even if it exposes them to more danger.
My assumption is the Kersch bridge is still standing so Russia can use it for civilian supplies, and possibly so their troops can retreat over it if Melitopol gets taken or threatened. I would have at least tried to disable it to prevent its use for incoming supply, even if temporarily, but I'll have to assume minds greater than mine have a plan.
Always leave a beaten enemy a way out. Better they retreat in shame (which coincidentally would ass-fuck public perceptions of Russia and its military even further) than decide they're as fucked as a cornered rat and you're forced to either fight against men who have nothing to lose or make some surrender concessions to avoid fighting against men who have nothing to lose. A heroic last stand looks a lot better to people than retreating across a bridge under the guns and precision missiles of the Ukrainians. Besides, all that manpower is going to get wasted since the Russians won't want their taint of cowardice spreading and they'll wind up in penal battalions or just thrown in prison.
This is an interesting data point on their targeting intel and target prioritization. Obviously they either had a bead on a command post or a personality. It'll be interesting in the future to see how they were procuring that intel, through technological or human sources.
Also a bit of insight into how close to the front these Russian command elements are. Obviously the Russians are taking this counteroffensive seriously. Forward deployed generals usually helps with command and control and morale even if it exposes them to more danger.
In a sane military yes, but considering how fucked the Russian military is a lot of the colonels and majors that would ordinarily be allowed to act independently need generals looking over their shoulders.
Always leave a beaten enemy a way out. Better they retreat in shame (which coincidentally would ass-fuck public perceptions of Russia and its military even further) than decide they're as fucked as a cornered rat and you're forced to either fight against men who have nothing to lose or make some surrender concessions to avoid fighting against men who have nothing to lose.
The other thing is that Putin can issue an order to fight to the last man. If there's an intact bridge the commanders can look at that order, say "Fuck that" and pile everyone onto trucks a la Kherson. If there's no bridge and any evacuation would require a naval flotilla (or engineers to fix the bridge) that's going to be harder for unilateral action.
I would still think Ukraine would try to put something on the bridge to weaken it; I appreciate that just hitting the rail and not the road over those distances would be a no mien feat, but I'd think hitting the rail just off the bridge, or even the bridge over land where it'd be easier to repair would be something to do early so there's time to repair it before its needed while also stopping its use for trying to bring supply, because Russian rail logistics are actually functional.
But maybe that's what the partisans are doing hitting the rail line through Crimea.
So is this shit over yet? I have a trip to yurop and dont want to pay a ton for gas let alone get nuked because some geriatric touchy pedo and a ex-glownigger manlet on steroids like to play irl c&c generals
The other thing is that Putin can issue an order to fight to the last man. If there's an intact bridge the commanders and look at the order, say "Fuck that" and pile everyone onto trucks a la Kherson. If there's no bridge and any evacuation would require a naval flotilla (or engineers to fix the bridge) that's going to be harder for unilateral action.
I would still think Ukraine would try to put something on the bridge to weaken it; I appreciate that just hitting the rail and not the road over those distances would be a no mien feat, but I'd think hitting the rail just off the bridge, or even the bridge over land where it'd be easier to repair would be something to do early so there's time to repair it before its needed while also stopping its use for trying to bring supply, because Russian rail logistics are actually functional.
But maybe that's what the partisans are doing hitting the rail line through Crimea.
You're right about them just bailing despite what Putin orders. And as for the bridge... an intact bridge instead of a damaged one is going to have people a lot more convinced retreat is a good idea. Especially since if they can nail the depots or marshalling yards its as good as damaging the bridge considering the offensive is going to stop as soon as the rains start coming. All they need to do is disrupt supplies for a few months, not a year or more.
The other thing is that Putin can issue an order to fight to the last man. If there's an intact bridge the commanders and look at the order, say "Fuck that" and pile everyone onto trucks a la Kherson. If there's no bridge and any evacuation would require a naval flotilla (or engineers to fix the bridge) that's going to be harder for unilateral action.
I would still think Ukraine would try to put something on the bridge to weaken it; I appreciate that just hitting the rail and not the road over those distances would be a no mien feat, but I'd think hitting the rail just off the bridge, or even the bridge over land where it'd be easier to repair would be something to do early so there's time to repair it before its needed while also stopping its use for trying to bring supply, because Russian rail logistics are actually functional.
But maybe that's what the partisans are doing hitting the rail line through Crimea.
I think Ukraine is keeping the bridge up less to encourage Russian troops to evacuate (I think that Putin will tell them to hold the line no matter what, and the commanders will obey that order if only because they don't want to be shot for insubordination) and more to encourage Russian civilians evacuate. Thousands of Russians moved to Crimea after the annexation. Many left when the war started in earnest, but many remain. One of the biggest question marks regarding a potential post-war settlement is what would happen to those civilians if they remained after Ukraine retook the peninsula. Ukraine keeping the door open for their evacuation could make this a moot point if the peninsula depopulates prior to any invasion. Any remaining stragglers could be deported with impunity.
So is this shit over yet? I have a trip to yurop and dont want to pay a ton for gas let alone get nuked because some geriatric touchy pedo and a ex-glownigger manlet on steroids like to play irl c&c generals
(I think that Putin will tell them to hold the line no matter what, and the commanders will obey that order if only because they don't want to be shot for insubordination)
You're probably right about the civilians.
I figure its also so food/medicine can get in and there aren't Russian agiprop blitzes of "I am starving in this house I got when the original occupants were shot; how can ukraine be this merciless?" and then France cucking on some sort of relief deal that makes it impossible to dislodge them by siege. With the bridge up Ukraine can shrug and say "The bridge is up, why are they only bringing over soldiers and bullets instead of food?"
But if there is a big enough of a mutiny, especially one that gets blessed by a Kremlin senpai with enough pull, nothing (overt) will happen to the perpetrators. Sort of like nothing really happened to the commanders who pulled out of Kharkiv. Rather than admit that three divisions retreated to Russia against orders, they will spin some story about a strategic feint to over extend the Ukrainian lines and how its all according to keikaku.
Russian Telegram will praise the brilliance of Putin/War Commanders on this strategic shift allowing the experienced troops be deployed to retake Bahkmut and focusing on the Donbas/Novarussia while as the unsupplied mobliks getting rolled they will blame the cowardice of the local/threater commander for not holding Crimea with whatever units are stuck there, claiming they had sufficient resources that they must have sold on the blackmarket as that is the only way they wouldn't be sufficiently provisioned.
