Erin Reed / Anthony Reed II / @ErinInTheMorn / @ErinInTheMorning / @ErinInTheNight / _supernovasky_ / beholderseye / realitybias / AnonymousRabbit - post-op transbian Twitter/TikTok "activist" with bad fashion, giant Reddit tattoo. Former drug dealer with felony. Married to Zooey Simone Zephyr / Zachary Todd Raasch.

[Nanashi no kiwi]

It isn't, at least not in the U.S. JWs who refuse transfusions for their children when there is an imminent threat to life will often be court ordered to allow it, or a guardian will be appointed who will then grant consent. However, sufficiently mature children are generally able to refuse treatment on their own behalf.

Generally such a situation occurs in the hospital and medical personnel often will simply act even in the absence of consent, or if there is time, such as when a life-saving surgery that will require blood is scheduled, they will seek a court order requiring it, which then has the force of law.

That said, there are numerous cases where JWs have refused consent for their children, the medical personnel have respected that, and the child has died without the parents being prosecuted for it.

Personally, I think they should be legally allowed to skip getting consent in an imminent emergency, as much for my own sake as theirs, because I don't want some jackass fiddling around with trying to get some dipshit to sign something while I'm bleeding out.

Incidentally in most of these situations where it's basically a straight up your kid gets the transfusion or he's going to die now, JWs will make the rational decision.

Gotcha, I stand corrected. I guess I was under the impression that it was legal since I've heard of those cases you refer to.

I have no doubt Big Al or one of his cohorts will try to argue that angle for kiddie troonjuice scripts and stinkditch excavations sooner or later, though.

 

[AnOminous]

I have no doubt Big Al or one of his cohorts will try to argue that angle for kiddie troonjuice scripts and stinkditch excavations sooner or later, though.

They already are. They haven't yet succeeded in it being legal to commit genital amputation on children against the will of the parents, but it should really be a crime to troon out kids at all, period.

 

[AirdropShitposts]

I completely agree with this take. Over the weekend it struck me that the real motive of Zack's recent larp across America tour is he is auditioning for a role in the Biden admin or a seat in congress since he will likely flame out in the next election in his district.

I doubt he could win a Democratic Primary in Montana for Congress. Those are competitive seats, they aren't going to waste it. I guess I suppose they could have him move and sacrifice him specifically in the 2nd, but it seems wiser as a test for upcoming candidates.

Also, very womanly arm in that picture:

If by "huge" you mean unconstitutional, you would be right Snaggle Tooth.

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He still thinks states are really going to charge people with crimes for this stuff? That doctors are going to flee criminal charges to states they can't practice in?

 

[Not Dr. Evil]

RETARD FIGHT ON AISLE 6! Welcome to the autism Thunderdome!

Of course our favorite troons immediately cite the Gospel According to Tordoff, et al and think they made their case.

 

[AnOminous]

Of course our favorite troons immediately cite the Gospel According to Tordoff, et al and think they made their case.

Actually bodies do tell whether the decedent is a troon. If he has an axe wound and a male skeleton and Y chromosomes in his DNA, it's a troon.

 

[Geranium]

RETARD FIGHT ON AISLE 6!

Tony’s inability to read continues to impress me:

(twitter.com, archive.ph)

Ryan is not saying that “gender medicine reduces suicidal ideation, but we don’t know if that reduces completed suicides”. He’s saying that correlation does not equal causation — a study showing less suicidal ideation in a group taking blockers and hormones does not mean the blockers and hormones are the reason for the lower suicidal ideation.

And this is just obvious surface stuff. The studies troons point to are riddled with other problems, like the Tordoff study that started with 7 of 99 patients on puberty blockers and cross-sex hormones, and ended with 57 of 63 on them, with 36(!) patients lost to follow up.

Going back to the AMA statement, it is crazy to me that they have doubled down on claiming that pediatric medical transition is “evidence-based”, when systematic reviews (including the questionable ones by WPATH and the Endocrine Society!) keep finding that the existing evidence is so poor as to be effectively worthless.

 

[AnOminous]

Going back to the AMA statement, it is crazy to me that they have doubled down on claiming that pediatric medical transition is “evidence-based”, when systematic reviews (including the questionable ones by WPATH and the Endocrine Society!) keep finding that the existing evidence is so poor as to be effectively worthless.

Ever notice the I FUCKING LOVE SCIENCE retards only love "science" that reinforces their preconceived notions?

 

[Geranium]

Ever notice the I FUCKING LOVE SCIENCE retards only love "science" that reinforces their preconceived notions?

I can’t help but keep thinking that the people who spent 2016-2020 crying about how Donald Trump was lying through his teeth are now the ones spreading total misinformation about the evidence for pediatric medical transition.

I don’t know that they’re lying, in that they know what they are saying is not true. I’m more inclined to think that they have convinced themselves of how correct and just their position is, and anyone who disagrees is a fascistic bigot. The long tail of chronic Trump Derangement Syndrome.

 

[glioblastoma multiforme]

I can’t help but keep thinking that the people who spent 2016-2020 crying about how Donald Trump was lying through his teeth are now the ones spreading total misinformation about the evidence for pediatric medical transition.

i think they internalised it in a maladaptive way, instead of not sinking to the level of shamefaced lying, they were like 'oh i can do that too' and some like our Tone decided to make a job of it.

its not really a new phenomenon, there have always been prominent people willing to lie and people getting angry about it. i think what's changed is the academic groundwork layed by postmodernism and all the bullshit that followed made truth some colonial straight white male thing to be trashed rather than simple properties that do or do not hold of the world. they were all for this when they could use it as an excuse to diddle kids, but then Trump, someone who is the wrong sort of person, had the fucking gall to play the game on their terms and use it to get power! unacceptable. instead of reassess and see if this post truth shit is maybe inherently flawed, they saw that they had failed to exploit their worldview to its full extent.

i dunno, not a social scientist or whoever it is that supposedly knows how this shit works, but to me Trump or similar was inevitable. i think these people know they are lying, but are so assured of their moral justification, that they don't see it to be an isssue. or they just don't consider facts to be relevant.

 

[Criticallacitirc]

RETARD FIGHT ON AISLE 6! Welcome to the autism Thunderdome!

Of course our favorite troons immediately cite the Gospel According to Tordoff, et al and think they made their case.

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That guy is an actual journalist who's whole career has been writing about Healthcare and specifically HIV. Unlike Tony & Big Al, whos whole "careers" have been shit posting on twitter for likes. If you follow his feed he generally has typical libtard opinions about things, however since his whole career has been reading medical studies and then writing about them of course he can see troon studies are bullshit. He's kinda another Jesse Singal, an intribe member who questions the dogma so he must be destroyed. You can't write him off that he's a conservative, you can't call him a bigot because he's a gay man who writes about HIV, so I guess the strategy is to just call him an idiot enough times to try to break him.

Troons really have no idea how to build consensus and coalitions. The eroding of LGBT rights are specifically due to people like Tony and Big Al.

 

[Flamin Park]

Also the co-morbidity in troons with personality disorder is 87% in some studies (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4301205/), of which 57% was NPD alone, let alone other cluster b disorders
Common symptoms of these disorders include pathological lying, emotional manipulation and threatening suicide to get your own way
Combine this with the way the troon movement encourages 'solidarity' aka do whatever for the movement, it's absolutely worthless even if 100% of them say they have reduced thoughts and attempts because there's a strong probability they're lying out their ass for attention and getting her more easily accessible for themselves and their fellow troons

What would actually be useful is comparing the level of suicides in different times and places measured against a measure like Tony's map of trans friendly states and see if you see correspondingly more or less bodies relative to the estimation of transgenderism levels in the population. Funnily enough adolescent suicide is way up and still rising

 

[Wallace]

i think these people know they are lying, but are so assured of their moral justification, that they don't see it to be an isssue. or they just don't consider facts to be relevant.

One of my favorite quotes on this subject was from AOC: “There's a lot of people more concerned about being precisely, factually, and semantically correct than about being morally right”.

To progressives, being morally right trumps everything else, and of course they are always morally in the right. If that means that inconvenient facts have to be ignored, denigrated, or deliberately misinterpreted, so be it. Anything is permitted if done in the name of the ostentatious moral concern of progressivism. Their righteousness is plainly self-evident, and anyone who says otherwise is a Nazi. The social reward for your moral righteousness in the form of retweets and upvotes is the cherry on top.

Or perhaps Karl Rove is more appropriate:
"The aide said that guys like me [Suskind] were "in what we call the reality-based community," which he defined as people who "believe that solutions emerge from your judicious study of discernible reality." I nodded and murmured something about enlightenment principles and empiricism. He cut me off. "That's not the way the world really works anymore," he continued. "We're an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality. And while you're studying that reality — judiciously, as you will — we'll act again, creating other new realities, which you can study too, and that's how things will sort out. We're history's actors ... and you, all of you, will be left to just study what we do.""

 

[glioblastoma multiforme]

Their righteousness is plainly self-evident, and anyone who says otherwise is a Nazi.

pretty sure most actual genocides have been committed in the name of the type of moral absolutism espoused by the twitter progressives. so the immediate dismissal of those holding opposing views as nazis (who according to themselves were probably self evidently righteous) is pretty ironic.

absolutely love both your quotes, well not love, they are chilling. they are concise descriptions of how these people reason about the world.

i wrote a long paragraph sperging about pessimistic meta-induction for ethical frameworks and then deleted it cos i realised these people don't hold ethical frameworks. those guide actions and involve doing things that don't seem immediately beneficial to yourself. all they have is thought terminating cliches mascarading as bleeding heart principles.

 

[Not Dr. Evil]

Also the co-morbidity in troons with personality disorder is 87% in some studies (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4301205/), of which 57% was NPD alone, let alone other cluster b disorders
Common symptoms of these disorders include pathological lying, emotional manipulation and threatening suicide to get your own way

This goes to the interesting phenomenon where troons like Tony, Big Al, and Eli Erlick have spent month shoving studies in people's faces and then subsequently crying foul when people actually read the studies and take note that the studies do not say what the troons claim they do.

 

[AnOminous]

Also the co-morbidity in troons with personality disorder is 87% in some studies (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4301205/), of which 57% was NPD alone, let alone other cluster b disorders
Common symptoms of these disorders include pathological lying, emotional manipulation and threatening suicide to get your own way

Just being a troon at all should be considered a personality disorder.

 

[Not Dr. Evil]

I'm confused how Tony is an appropriate Pride speaker when his larp is a purposeful denial of his male homosexuality.

And? Every single troon lolsuit filed this year proves this statement is axiomatically true. The lolsuits all involve kids ranging from 4 years of to 15 years old.

 

[Mayor Cody Travers]

You know, I really should have guessed Tony would've been at this shit-fest.

I'll cop. It's been like a month or so and I hate to be that guy, but is there anything juicy I missed about my favorite troon between the Farms going down and finally giving in and getting Tor today?

 

[Coo Coo Bird]

You know, I really should have guessed Tony would've been at this shit-fest.

I'll cop. It's been like a month or so and I hate to be that guy, but is there anything juicy I missed about my favorite troon between the Farms going down and finally giving in and getting Tor today?

You missed the proposal:

While the Farms were down, something magical occurred.

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[Mayor Cody Travers]

You missed the proposal:

I knew I was gonna regret asking, but I thank you for the inevitable mix of laughter and horror I'll have browsing this...

 

[AirdropShitposts]

I can’t help but keep thinking that the people who spent 2016-2020 crying about how Donald Trump was lying through his teeth are now the ones spreading total misinformation about the evidence for pediatric medical transition.

I don’t know that they’re lying, in that they know what they are saying is not true. I’m more inclined to think that they have convinced themselves of how correct and just their position is, and anyone who disagrees is a fascistic bigot. The long tail of chronic Trump Derangement Syndrome.

i think they internalised it in a maladaptive way, instead of not sinking to the level of shamefaced lying, they were like 'oh i can do that too' and some like our Tone decided to make a job of it.

its not really a new phenomenon, there have always been prominent people willing to lie and people getting angry about it. i think what's changed is the academic groundwork layed by postmodernism and all the bullshit that followed made truth some colonial straight white male thing to be trashed rather than simple properties that do or do not hold of the world. they were all for this when they could use it as an excuse to diddle kids, but then Trump, someone who is the wrong sort of person, had the fucking gall to play the game on their terms and use it to get power! unacceptable. instead of reassess and see if this post truth shit is maybe inherently flawed, they saw that they had failed to exploit their worldview to its full extent.

i dunno, not a social scientist or whoever it is that supposedly knows how this shit works, but to me Trump or similar was inevitable. i think these people know they are lying, but are so assured of their moral justification, that they don't see it to be an isssue. or they just don't consider facts to be relevant.

Ascribing this to Trump is, I think, a temporal error, these people have been lying and spreading misinformation well before Trump. Look at Tony, he's basically never not lied and spread misinformation. A lot of the ideological circles have long advocated that lying and misinformation is perfectly fine when it assists the cause. Entire academic structures have been built on a base that claims everyone lies to their advantage at all times. There are books where these "thinkers" advocate that public officials should deliberately lie to the public to ensure the public acts "properly" rather than how it would prefer.

I won't say this because only faggots say these types of things but imagine some faggot saying "Trump is a symptom, not a cause." There's long been a culture that says the ends justifies the means and as long as your ends are well intended everything is justified. Combine with a belief that if anything bad happens it's because the wrong person refused to act with good intentions and that the President is basically a god who can do whatever he wants so everything that happens is his deliberate intent and Trump becomes an obvious event.

I'd argue that among "progressives" especially of Tony's age and similar they were all assblasted because they truly believed in the "promise" of Obama that they all attached themselves to wholeheartedly in the first (minor) paying attention to politics they ever did. They absolutely believed him when Obama said his winning the Democratic nomination meant:

I face this challenge with profound humility and knowledge of my own limitations, but I also face it with limitless faith in the capacity of the American people.

Because if we are willing to work for it, and fight for it, and believe in it, then I am absolutely certain that, generations from now, we will be able to look back and tell our children that this was the moment when we began to provide care for the sick and good jobs to the jobless, this was the moment when the rise of the oceans began to slow and our planet began to heal, this was the moment when we ended a war, and secured our nation, and restored our image as the last, best hope on Earth. This was the moment, this was the time when we came together to remake this great nation so that it may always reflect our very best selves and our highest ideals.

This didn't happen, as obviously it wasn't going to and rather than become informed and try to understand why they were so wrong (which doesn't compute since they obviously are always right) they all turned to a nihilistic pessimism about how the system "failed" and now they must destroy it all so a cleansing revolution can come about. These people will still fight with you and deny actual things the Obama Administration did because of how wedded they are to the romantic narrative.

The left had this same reaction multiple times last century. When the socialist parties all over Europe took sides over World War I rather than opposing war, imperialism and nationalism. When the Soviet Union "fell" to totalitarian horrors. When the international proletariatian revolution fell to infighting among them all again rather than linking up to form a global paradise. When the Soviet Union collapsed completely as socialism failed exactly as predicted. When everywhere but North Korea abandoned the OG socialisms for welfare state capitalism at worst.

They keep having good intentions but yet it keeps failing to bring about utopia even though they intended it to. Their enemies keep winning despite being clearly evil in every way. It's just this whole fucking corrupt system that's rigged against us. Especially since we're all so pure of heart (just look at our intentions, we want utopia) and refuse to stoop to their immoral motives. They've tried nothing (they shouldn't have to, after all they supplied the good intentions) and they're all out of ideas.

And? Every single troon lolsuit filed this year proves this statement is axiomatically true. The lolsuits all involve kids ranging from 4 years of to 15 years old.

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Look at who suddenly realizes the dishonesty of the "critics/experts/etc. say" journalism method.